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Topic: Sexual repression. Did it really happen, and f yes why?
Tintin123454321's photo
Fri 04/27/18 06:10 AM
Maybe to sell more make up products and clothes or is it deeper than that, as i think so?

Tom4Uhere's photo
Fri 04/27/18 10:54 AM
Sexual repression is a state in which a person is prevented from expressing their own sexuality. Sexual repression is often associated with feelings of guilt or shame being associated with sexual impulses.

I think the only time when sexual repression was low was during the Love Movement in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

Right now there is an increase in sexual expression taking the form of gender expression.
Sexual expression has always been a taboo subject.
Religions teach sexuality as a sin.
Up until recently, religious dogma was the controlling factor in establishing accepted morals and values.
As strict religious beliefs give way to individual reasoning, sexuality is slowly destigmatizing (to remove associations of shame or disgrace from).

Fashion has always been a method of sexual expression.
"To Lure a Mate"

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Fri 04/27/18 02:37 PM


I think the only time when sexual repression was low was during the Love Movement in the late 1960s and early 1970s.



First, to answer the op's question about WAS there sexual repression the answer is yes and it is still prevalent today.

As for the quote above about the low point being in the 60's and 70's I would have to disagree.

One could argue as I might assume the previous posters are talking about modern times but in reality sexual promiscuity was very much apart of society going back before the Roman empire.
In ancient times all the way up to the Renaissance period, orgies were common and not looked upon as being evil etc.

Even today there are societies that promote sex like the Muria tribe in India. These people have one of the most open, practical and healthy approaches to sex that you could find.

They have the institution of ghotul where the young, both girls and boys, are sent to live together in large huts that are described as being “at once a commune, dormitory and nightclub”.

There, they are encouraged to have sex between themselves so that, in time, every boy has slept with every girl. Don’t imagine a perpetual orgy or free-for-all, because this practice follows specific guidelines, under which boys and girls pair up for a few encounters before sequentially changing partners.

This is, of course, a voluntary activity as sex is not forced upon those who do not find themselves ready to begin this life.

Most individuals who “graduate” from ghotuls describe them as the happiest parts of their lives, a time of great freedom and fun , helping them achieve healthy and open attitudes toward sex which manifest throughout their entire adult lives, preventing jealousy and offering more stability to their marriages, which generally tend to occur late in life.

So maybe in America sex was and still is repressed, but has not and is not in other parts of the world now or in past generations.


Tom4Uhere's photo
Fri 04/27/18 04:36 PM
One could argue as I might assume the previous posters are talking about modern times but in reality sexual promiscuity was very much apart of society going back before the Roman empire.
In ancient times all the way up to the Renaissance period, orgies were common and not looked upon as being evil etc.

I agree, my comment was made from my memory during my lifetime of experiences. I didn't do research on the issue.

I am sure there are even more pockets of societies around the world than those you cited.
There are always exceptions to any rule.
All I know is what I encounter and how I perceive.
I see the social trends that affect me, in my country, my society and my neighborhood.

Likewise, I'm sure there are religions that do not vilify sexual expression.
I only know of the religion that I grew up with. Being a common religion, it impacts most of the people I have known thru my life.

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Fri 04/27/18 05:42 PM
Yes Tom, I figured that is where you were coming from. Because I did not know where the OP was from and the generality of the question, I was just giving a more broad answer to the sexual repression thought.drinker

Tom4Uhere's photo
Fri 04/27/18 05:44 PM
No worries, it was the quote that caused me to think I needed to clarify.
drinker
Cheers

Tintin123454321's photo
Sat 04/28/18 06:29 AM
Do u really think we know the real history? Fake history can be used to change the present mentality. U cant trust the media, they lie. How do u know that in renaissance they were doing orgies? Proof from comix magazines is not trustworthy. If u have proof i ll accept it

Tintin123454321's photo
Sat 04/28/18 06:37 AM
No, my question was something else. That sexual repression was used in order to sell more products or push people to conform to the system. In advertising u always saw an attractive woman, giving u the message that if u want a girl buy this, while the state knew that the majority of male population was at home watching porn, which it gave it to them. The adverisement of those that were famous and got many women was simply lies, much more why should anyone care?

Serchin4MyRedWine's photo
Sat 04/28/18 07:15 AM

Do u really think we know the real history? Fake history can be used to change the present mentality. U cant trust the media, they lie. How do u know that in renaissance they were doing orgies? Proof from comix magazines is not trustworthy. If u have proof i ll accept it

How do we know there was a Roman Empire or an Attila the Hun or a Christopher Columbus or Major catastrophes that took place? There are writings, artwork and artifacts that tell the story.

Sure, even to this day there is "revisionist history" and fake news so I guess it is up what ever you believe is true.

Tintin123454321's photo
Sat 04/28/18 07:33 AM
But u could make an artifact eg with an orgy in 5th cent ad, of indians in oklahoma and go on cnn and show it off as found in an excavation. Everyone will believe it or do u think scams like that dont happen? Its a world full of lies, especially from the govt and media. And the courts are closed, theres no justice. If there was justice why is there so many drugs everywhere? They are illegal. You are all sleeping, whats the point telling u that u ve taked the wrong path? U dont have the mental capacity to ever ever ever realise it. Only with one leader. Like the sheppard with the sheeps. I didnt know i was born with apes in human form when i was a kid, thank god i know it now. But not all are apes ok. And those who are we shouldnt hate em, but support em. Hate is a bad force, obviously the leading ideology of the big corporations that have made a world full of hate, division and insecurity

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sat 04/28/18 10:00 AM

Do u really think we know the real history? Fake history can be used to change the present mentality. U cant trust the media, they lie. How do u know that in renaissance they were doing orgies? Proof from comix magazines is not trustworthy. If u have proof i ll accept it

History is written by the victors. Most of it is slanted to their view.
Igor would be the one to know, he studies history.
Artifacts and evidence provides a baseline but evidence does not tell if the cannon was pointed at the enemy or their own troops. Only that there was a cannon. That cannon may never have been fired.

History from personal experience is something different.
However, even that history can be jaded to how you perceived it.
Just like the present isn't always how it seems.
The history of personal experience is what molds you into who you are right now, which gives it validity, to you.
Even your own delusions shape you, giving validity to your present self.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sat 04/28/18 10:12 AM

No, my question was something else. That sexual repression was used in order to sell more products or push people to conform to the system. In advertising u always saw an attractive woman, giving u the message that if u want a girl buy this, while the state knew that the majority of male population was at home watching porn, which it gave it to them. The adverisement of those that were famous and got many women was simply lies, much more why should anyone care?

Sexual repression is a state in which a person is prevented from expressing their own sexuality. Sexual repression is often associated with feelings of guilt or shame being associated with sexual impulses.

You're referring to Sexual Expression
Sexual Expression. Having healthy relationships is an important part of sexual health. Sexual health is holistic. Physical health and pleasure are important, but so are emotional and social well being. ... We all experience the physical and emotional elements of sex differently.
And Sexual Manipulation

Sex sells.
Sex sells not only products but ideas too.
Sex attracts.
People identify with sex because it is pleasurable. Things that imply sex or how to obtain sexual partners gets focus.

Promoting sexual repression would have the opposite effect.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sat 04/28/18 10:26 AM

But u could make an artifact eg with an orgy in 5th cent ad, of indians in oklahoma and go on cnn and show it off as found in an excavation. Everyone will believe it or do u think scams like that dont happen? Its a world full of lies, especially from the govt and media. And the courts are closed, theres no justice. If there was justice why is there so many drugs everywhere? They are illegal. You are all sleeping, whats the point telling u that u ve taked the wrong path? U dont have the mental capacity to ever ever ever realise it. Only with one leader. Like the sheppard with the sheeps. I didnt know i was born with apes in human form when i was a kid, thank god i know it now. But not all are apes ok. And those who are we shouldnt hate em, but support em. Hate is a bad force, obviously the leading ideology of the big corporations that have made a world full of hate, division and insecurity

I think (my opinion) that validity is often found in the priority.
What I mean is,

Perpetuating the hoax and all the work needed to maintain the hoax needs to be justified by the results intended.
Its gotta be worth it to do it.

Many discoveries do not have worth that really matters.
Getting people to say "Well, that's neato" does not justify the money and ruse needed to portray it.
It takes a lot of dedication to the 'cause' to pull off a hoax on the public. Plus, it takes a lot of dedication to maintain the hoax.
A lot of discoveries are insigificant to any agenda of a ruse.

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Sat 04/28/18 09:43 PM
Sexual repression?!?!?! Even my fantasies are rated G!

Narlycarnk's photo
Sun 04/29/18 07:17 AM
Sexual expression is very attention-grabbing and there is nothing wrong with it except that it can be disruptive, kind of like cell phone ringtones. It is like an instinctive signal to the affect of "you have been summoned to address a pressing matter."

It is not good to stigmatize signals, and it is not good to be barraged by them 24/7 either, or in every social situation.

I think government should allow people to protect themselves against the worst potential situations, and steward the grounds so that the best attainments of thriving life is enabled.

Freedom of religion, lifestyle, and environment. I think advancement in freedom would take place mostly through innovation in using rules and politics, but that is just my notion.

SparklingCrystal 💖💎's photo
Sun 04/29/18 08:35 AM
What you mean "did"? It is still happening to date.
And as for history... you can talk to your parents and ask them how it was for them when they were younger and ask about their parents. Unless you think they would lie to you of course.
As for history being faked, like cave paintings and old scrolls and stuff... I think many scholars have studied these things. If they were to be fake, someone would've come clean about it by now.
Also would be a helluva lot of fake material. I mean, there's also letters from people sent in the past that would illustrate how things were.
Maybe you've been watching too many conspiracy theory movies & documentaries?
Maybe the Vesuvius never really erupted either, maybe the Titanic was never built and thus never sank.
Maybe white people have been genetically engineered by an alien race. Maybe the Matrix wasn't fiction...

I'm going to have a cup of coffee and a nice biscuit. These conspiracy theories give me an appetite for something covered in chocolate, haha.
flowerforyou

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sun 04/29/18 09:55 AM
There are conspiracies.
Sheeple are being lied to about certain things.
There's a difference between knowing there are conspiracies and thinking everything is a conspiracy.

If you have a board with a hole just big enough to carefully slip a baseball thru, You can throw a baseball at it day after day non-stop and eventually you will put the baseball thru the hole.

Seeing everything as a conspiracy is a fear response to ignorance of a subject or condition as perceived.
It speaks more about the state of mind of the accuser than the validity of the accusation.

A conspiracist has a need to relate their fears, perceptions and beliefs onto others in a quest for approval. Since conspiracies do exist, they are right sometimes and use those times to reinforce their views on the times they are not sure. One validates all.

Tintin123454321's photo
Sun 04/29/18 12:48 PM
Crystalfairy u are 100% proof of what we talk about and that its all correct. Not all people can calculate logically actually, so of course democracy is dumb since it reduces the opinions of those that think logically, but it can lead to oppression against the masses of weaker minds. So u need logical and good,kind oligarchs

Tintin123454321's photo
Sun 04/29/18 12:52 PM
Since conspiracies are all impossible and fake, then its so easy to really do a conspiracy because anyone that would accuse u would be wrong and stupid. I mean look at the masses how they attack different views. Those people would never have any hope getting out of the egg of the matrix neither would they want to. I mean some people just cant sense danger or their minds cant fight it

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 04/29/18 02:43 PM

Do u really think we know the real history? Fake history can be used to change the present mentality. U cant trust the media, they lie. How do u know that in renaissance they were doing orgies? Proof from comix magazines is not trustworthy. If u have proof i ll accept it


You are inadvertently providing an example of HOW some of the sexual repression has been effected.

My primary area of formal study, was History, including Archaeology. And one thing I know well, is how for a VERY long time, archaeological discoveries and records were heavily censored by the people in power, especially in Europe in the nineteenth century. Although Pompeii was discovered and excavations begun in the 18th century, for example, only the immediate archaeologists who saw them, knew that there were buildings unearthed with frescoes on the walls, depicting rather wild sexual acts. And the graffiti which proved the wider sexual proclivities and interests, was not published at all, until very recently.

Part of the reason why you are so open to assuming that history has been "doctored," is that it has been. Just, in the opposite way than you wish it had been.

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