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Topic: Will there be a blue wave in November ?
msharmony's photo
Thu 06/07/18 03:32 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 06/07/18 03:40 PM

No he did not. 1.2% was the best he ever did. That buy health insurance or pay a penalty put a bunch of people on part time.

He ruled and regulated business, to a point where a lot of them were closing down. That government funded older car trade in took a lot of cars that lower income people were buying, and drove the price of used cars up.

Flyover country suffered a lot at his hands. I think he was way worse than Carter, and that's going some. I'm very glad he's gone, and he should stay gone.


Im not sure where you get your information, but here is the graph of GDP growth



like I said, SEVERAL QUARTERS over 3 percent

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/07/18 03:33 PM

No he did not. 1.2% was the best he ever did. That buy health insurance or pay a penalty put a bunch of people on part time.

He ruled and regulated business, to a point where a lot of them were closing down. That government funded older car trade in took a lot of cars that lower income people were buying, and drove the price of used cars up.

Flyover country suffered a lot at his hands. I think he was way worse than Carter, and that's going some. I'm very glad he's gone, and he should stay gone.


Im not sure where you get your information, but here is the graph of GDP growth



like I said, SEVERAL QUARTERS over 3 percent

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Thu 06/07/18 03:56 PM

I can tell you have a very one-sided point of view about the economics. I think you're mostly wrong, but the American economy IS probably the MOST difficult thing to understand of everything voters need to make decisions about.

For example, during the entire time Republicans were in charge of the government, in the eighties, nineties, and again in this century, I never got a raise. And several times, the "loosening" of restrictions and regulations that the GOP is so fond of, seems to have resulted in an economic mess several times.

What makes it tricky to know, is that economic decisions made by the government don't EVER affect anything instantly. I got my last two raises during the end of, and shortly after the end of the two Obama administrations. I almost had total personal economic collapse, due to the incredible mess left by Bush the Second.

If you want to pretend that the Republicans weren't responsible for the messes that came at the end of EVERY two term control by the GOP, then you can't logically pretend that the beginning of the boom we are in, which started during the Obama years, is somehow unrelated to Democratic leadership.

Now. I personally don't think EITHER party is really intelligent as a group, especially when it comes to economics. Both have some rather idiotic ideas.

As to the "blue wave," I'm not personally expecting anything, but not because the GOP is doing anything at all to deserve to be returned to further control. Frankly, I am certain that a lot of what they are doing right now, is AGAIN going to put the US economy into the ditch AGAIN.

However, since economies always move so slowly that they APPEAR to be good when a bad leadership is in place, and vice versa, I don't expect the economy to tank until AFTER the mid terms, and maybe not until after the next Presidential election. Just due to timing.

Overall, the main theme I see right now, is that the Democrats are copying the Republicans of the last decades. That is, instead of proposing ANYTHING to do differently, instead of showing actual leadership, they seem to be counting on the incredible corruption and lies of the Trump administration to cause voters to vote against the GOP.

That doesn't work. It didn't work for the Republicans back in the nineties, and I can't see it happening now for the Dems, especially since they aren't making any concerted effort to point out the non-stop lies of the Trump people.

Bottom line, if you want to lead, you need to actually try to lead. Democrats aren't trying to lead right now. Republicans aren't either, but since they are IN power, they can get away with continuing to sit on their hands about health care, and all the other major concerns they believe in doing nothing about.

Unless we start seeing some serious new campaigning from the Dems, I'm expecting overall, to see most of whoever is in Congress now, to be sent back.




I remember you from DH, you were testsign up or something like that. anyways addressing your points

I think that who ever was in power had nothing to do with you getting a raise. the fact that you got it under Obama is just coincidence

You may say many folks suffered under the Republicans or Reagan in the 80's yet many folks got rich during Reagan's term and during Bush's terms, how do you explain that?

I do agree that Both parties have no clue about Economics and as much as I believe that Trump is a better candidate than Ms.Clinton, he doesn't understand free markets, he might be a business man but not all business people understands free markets or even economics .

Trump with his protectionist policies reminds me of Herbert Hoover, another successful business man during his time a multi millionaire and we know how Hoover's policy contributed to the Great Depression.

Truth be told America's decline began with the progressive era although it was interrupted by the roaring 20's, booming 60's, the high flying 80's and the dotcom phenomenon.



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Thu 06/07/18 04:36 PM


Which is how Trump got elected.

The nation's GDP rate for the second quarter is 2.9%, after 2.2% in the first quarter. Right now, there are more jobs open than people to fill them. Obama claimed that 1% was the new norm, with 6% unemployment. Right now, we're at 3.8%.

No improvement?laugh laugh laugh


thats reaching. When did Obama say that? Do you truly believe the average voter knows about or understands, cares about or votes on the issue of GDP?

btw, Obama had several quarters above 3 percent, that rate fluxuates pretty regularly. That does not signify steady improvement, just normal trend.


it seems more likely he won because of the conspiracy theory ferver that dogged Clinton, and the mirror he gave to people who wanted to finally feel vindicated and free to be hateful and selfish towards others, the dream of a PRESIDENT reflecting their prejudicial fears were justified was pretty convincing.




Lol..Lol ..wow, talk about reaching. that logic is way out there... The reason trump won was for one simple reason.. People were sick and tired of the way our country was being turned into a totally lame woosified s*ithole. And after Obama surprised the world and won his second term, well that brought out the folks that never voted before to make sure the liberals wouldn't have another 4 years to ruin this country for good. Same this time , no way will the Liberal democrats gain more power. Those scary years with Obama may have been enough to ward off another democrat controlled USA ever again.

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Thu 06/07/18 06:52 PM



Which is how Trump got elected.

The nation's GDP rate for the second quarter is 2.9%, after 2.2% in the first quarter. Right now, there are more jobs open than people to fill them. Obama claimed that 1% was the new norm, with 6% unemployment. Right now, we're at 3.8%.

No improvement?laugh laugh laugh


thats reaching. When did Obama say that? Do you truly believe the average voter knows about or understands, cares about or votes on the issue of GDP?

btw, Obama had several quarters above 3 percent, that rate fluxuates pretty regularly. That does not signify steady improvement, just normal trend.


it seems more likely he won because of the conspiracy theory ferver that dogged Clinton, and the mirror he gave to people who wanted to finally feel vindicated and free to be hateful and selfish towards others, the dream of a PRESIDENT reflecting their prejudicial fears were justified was pretty convincing.




Lol..Lol ..wow, talk about reaching. that logic is way out there... The reason trump won was for one simple reason.. People were sick and tired of the way our country was being turned into a totally lame woosified s*ithole. And after Obama surprised the world and won his second term, well that brought out the folks that never voted before to make sure the liberals wouldn't have another 4 years to ruin this country for good. Same this time , no way will the Liberal democrats gain more power. Those scary years with Obama may have been enough to ward off another democrat controlled USA ever again.


the scary years where more people became insured and we AVOIDED another depression and the crash of wall street, stock market, and the auto industry, and eliminated the head of the terrorists of the time.

yes, that kind of TERRIFYING thing could scare off anybody from wanting someone like OBAMA again ...


laugh

no photo
Thu 06/07/18 07:11 PM
Where am I getting my information?

Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, Edward Jones, Raymond James & Associates, Roney & Company, Oppenheimer Funds, Fox Business, CNBC, Bloomberg.

I've seen those made up numbers by the DNC. If we had those numbers going, then why wasn't hillary elected? Why were people losing their homes? I've been seeing just too many homes in horrible condition BECAUSE of the lousy economy obama was claiming was to be the NEW NORM.

Hey, guess WHAT! Obama was LYING to you too!

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/07/18 07:21 PM

Where am I getting my information?

Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily, Edward Jones, Raymond James & Associates, Roney & Company, Oppenheimer Funds, Fox Business, CNBC, Bloomberg.

I've seen those made up numbers by the DNC. If we had those numbers going, then why wasn't hillary elected? Why were people losing their homes? I've been seeing just too many homes in horrible condition BECAUSE of the lousy economy obama was claiming was to be the NEW NORM.

Hey, guess WHAT! Obama was LYING to you too!


I feel for you. you do realize these source still get their info from the commerce department, dont you?

the source doesnt change the factual numbers ...


and are you considering that Presidents are elected solely on GDP growth? Seriously? because Hilary had never BEEN President nor had Trump, so Im not sure what the relevance is to either being elected.

People are losing their homes for all the reasons people have ALWAYS lost their homes. You see lousy things and your brain ASSOCIATES them with blaming Obama apparently. Guess what, using LOGIC never fails you!


msharmony's photo
Thu 06/07/18 07:27 PM
WSJ



CNBC




and STILL several quarters above 3 percent



Workin4it's photo
Thu 06/07/18 07:32 PM




Which is how Trump got elected.

The nation's GDP rate for the second quarter is 2.9%, after 2.2% in the first quarter. Right now, there are more jobs open than people to fill them. Obama claimed that 1% was the new norm, with 6% unemployment. Right now, we're at 3.8%.

No improvement?laugh laugh laugh


thats reaching. When did Obama say that? Do you truly believe the average voter knows about or understands, cares about or votes on the issue of GDP?

btw, Obama had several quarters above 3 percent, that rate fluxuates pretty regularly. That does not signify steady improvement, just normal trend.


it seems more likely he won because of the conspiracy theory ferver that dogged Clinton, and the mirror he gave to people who wanted to finally feel vindicated and free to be hateful and selfish towards others, the dream of a PRESIDENT reflecting their prejudicial fears were justified was pretty convincing.




Lol..Lol ..wow, talk about reaching. that logic is way out there... The reason trump won was for one simple reason.. People were sick and tired of the way our country was being turned into a totally lame woosified s*ithole. And after Obama surprised the world and won his second term, well that brought out the folks that never voted before to make sure the liberals wouldn't have another 4 years to ruin this country for good. Same this time , no way will the Liberal democrats gain more power. Those scary years with Obama may have been enough to ward off another democrat controlled USA ever again.


the scary years where more people became insured and we AVOIDED another depression and the crash of wall street, stock market, and the auto industry, and eliminated the head of the terrorists of the time.

yes, that kind of TERRIFYING thing could scare off anybody from wanting someone like OBAMA again ...


laugh
lots of people who had insurance lost theirs at the expense of having increased premiums to pay for non-payers insurance.and yes after several hours of indecisiveness on Obamas part to take Bin-Laden out he finally gave permission. And I guess it's a good statement of your presidency to say" we didn't have a depression" .

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/07/18 07:35 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 06/07/18 07:39 PM





Which is how Trump got elected.

The nation's GDP rate for the second quarter is 2.9%, after 2.2% in the first quarter. Right now, there are more jobs open than people to fill them. Obama claimed that 1% was the new norm, with 6% unemployment. Right now, we're at 3.8%.

No improvement?laugh laugh laugh


thats reaching. When did Obama say that? Do you truly believe the average voter knows about or understands, cares about or votes on the issue of GDP?

btw, Obama had several quarters above 3 percent, that rate fluxuates pretty regularly. That does not signify steady improvement, just normal trend.


it seems more likely he won because of the conspiracy theory ferver that dogged Clinton, and the mirror he gave to people who wanted to finally feel vindicated and free to be hateful and selfish towards others, the dream of a PRESIDENT reflecting their prejudicial fears were justified was pretty convincing.




Lol..Lol ..wow, talk about reaching. that logic is way out there... The reason trump won was for one simple reason.. People were sick and tired of the way our country was being turned into a totally lame woosified s*ithole. And after Obama surprised the world and won his second term, well that brought out the folks that never voted before to make sure the liberals wouldn't have another 4 years to ruin this country for good. Same this time , no way will the Liberal democrats gain more power. Those scary years with Obama may have been enough to ward off another democrat controlled USA ever again.


the scary years where more people became insured and we AVOIDED another depression and the crash of wall street, stock market, and the auto industry, and eliminated the head of the terrorists of the time.

yes, that kind of TERRIFYING thing could scare off anybody from wanting someone like OBAMA again ...


laugh
lots of people who had insurance lost theirs at the expense of having increased premiums to pay for non-payers insurance.and yes after several hours of indecisiveness on Obamas part to take Bin-Laden out he finally gave permission. And I guess it's a good statement of your presidency to say" we didn't have a depression" .



well, I guess those people are complaining and all those now insured aren't. and the choice was made about Bin Laden, however one nitpicks at it. and when one is HEADED DOWNWARD In a RECESSION towards a depression, bringing unemployment back down, gas prices down, soldiers back from the middle east, preventing the crash of the auto, banking, and wall street industry ...


avoiding it is a good statement of presidency, just as good as increasing GDP growth I would say.


msharmony's photo
Thu 06/07/18 07:42 PM
Say no to Red Wave and Blue Wave

say no to voting from a context of the WHO

say yes to a GREY Wave (as in brain matter)

say yes to voting from a context of the WHAT (regardless of the WHO)


laugh laugh

Workin4it's photo
Thu 06/07/18 07:59 PM
Regardless of the Who you say, how dare you. They were very good in their prime I like their song Babba-o-Reilly . And "who are you". You should give them a try I think you will like them. Lol!

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/07/18 08:02 PM
lol

I said in the context of Who, the subject of the context.

I do agree that The Who are a musical classic ... drinker

mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/08/18 03:56 PM


Which is how Trump got elected.

The nation's GDP rate for the second quarter is 2.9%, after 2.2% in the first quarter. Right now, there are more jobs open than people to fill them. Obama claimed that 1% was the new norm, with 6% unemployment. Right now, we're at 3.8%.

No improvement?laugh laugh laugh


thats reaching. When did Obama say that? Do you truly believe the average voter knows about or understands, cares about or votes on the issue of GDP?

btw, Obama had several quarters above 3 percent, that rate fluxuates pretty regularly. That does not signify steady improvement, just normal trend.


it seems more likely he won because of the conspiracy theory ferver that dogged Clinton, and the mirror he gave to people who wanted to finally feel vindicated and free to be hateful and selfish towards others, the dream of a PRESIDENT reflecting their prejudicial fears were justified was pretty convincing.




that's just crazy liberal talk... He won because of the inherent lying and Not giving a damn about the American people by all the democrats..

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/08/18 03:58 PM



Which is how Trump got elected.

The nation's GDP rate for the second quarter is 2.9%, after 2.2% in the first quarter. Right now, there are more jobs open than people to fill them. Obama claimed that 1% was the new norm, with 6% unemployment. Right now, we're at 3.8%.

No improvement?laugh laugh laugh


thats reaching. When did Obama say that? Do you truly believe the average voter knows about or understands, cares about or votes on the issue of GDP?

btw, Obama had several quarters above 3 percent, that rate fluxuates pretty regularly. That does not signify steady improvement, just normal trend.


it seems more likely he won because of the conspiracy theory ferver that dogged Clinton, and the mirror he gave to people who wanted to finally feel vindicated and free to be hateful and selfish towards others, the dream of a PRESIDENT reflecting their prejudicial fears were justified was pretty convincing.




that's just crazy liberal talk... He won because of the inherent lying and Not giving a damn about the American people by all the democrats..


except the same could clearly be said about him,, so the MAIN differences were more of the conspiracy rhetoric surrounding Clinton and she being a female

mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/08/18 07:18 PM




Which is how Trump got elected.

The nation's GDP rate for the second quarter is 2.9%, after 2.2% in the first quarter. Right now, there are more jobs open than people to fill them. Obama claimed that 1% was the new norm, with 6% unemployment. Right now, we're at 3.8%.

No improvement?laugh laugh laugh


thats reaching. When did Obama say that? Do you truly believe the average voter knows about or understands, cares about or votes on the issue of GDP?

btw, Obama had several quarters above 3 percent, that rate fluxuates pretty regularly. That does not signify steady improvement, just normal trend.


it seems more likely he won because of the conspiracy theory ferver that dogged Clinton, and the mirror he gave to people who wanted to finally feel vindicated and free to be hateful and selfish towards others, the dream of a PRESIDENT reflecting their prejudicial fears were justified was pretty convincing.




that's just crazy liberal talk... He won because of the inherent lying and Not giving a damn about the American people by all the democrats..


except the same could clearly be said about him,, so the MAIN differences were more of the conspiracy rhetoric surrounding Clinton and she being a female
only liberals would say that... So that makes it meaningless...she is a female..no ct there...

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Fri 06/08/18 07:24 PM
Topic: Will there be a blue wave in November ?

Perhaps this blue wave:


mightymoe's photo
Fri 06/08/18 07:38 PM
Papa Smurf for Congress?

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Fri 06/08/18 07:46 PM
Hillary Clinton thinks she lost because she is a female?

what a sore loser, she lost because she isnt trustworthy, the American people would rather put up with a womanizer that has no filter on his mouth vs a smooth talking polished liar like Hillary.

They got tired of a Washington insider and chose an Outsider.

It has nothing do with her being a woman, she has too much baggage.


msharmony's photo
Fri 06/08/18 08:27 PM

Hillary Clinton thinks she lost because she is a female?

what a sore loser, she lost because she isnt trustworthy, the American people would rather put up with a womanizer that has no filter on his mouth vs a smooth talking polished liar like Hillary.

They got tired of a Washington insider and chose an Outsider.

It has nothing do with her being a woman, she has too much baggage.





lol ... once again, I dont know why Hilary thinks she lost. I did not make any comment about what she thinks.

MY OPINION was that they both COULD be accused of every negative character trait under the sun (corrupt, lying, dishonest, untrustworthy, etc.)

EXCEPT the main difference of QUALIFICATIONS and GENDER ...



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