Except that Trump didn't ban Muslim it was a moratorium

With the terror attacks in Europe who can blame him, remember his job is providing security and safety of his citizens

By the way the Vetting process worked really well that allowed the san bernandino couple that went on that shooting rampage right?

I dont know how you can dismiss the san bernandino tragedy , someone in your government screwed the pooch on that one.

Socially detached or mentally unstable doesn't even cut it, after the investigating things were discovered that was overlooked, which either means incompetence on someone part or the vetting system isn't good.

hmm.. so is the theme here that if something is not ALWAYS working, it should be tossed or has no value? That seems to be a repeated response to many things I have posted.

yep, mistakes get made, and there is no solution that fixes everything or creates Utopia, but that should never be the excuse to stop trying to come up with solutions aimed at TRYING to make things a little better.

hmm.. so is the theme here that if something is not ALWAYS working, it should be tossed or has no value? That seems to be a repeated response to many things I have posted.

yep, mistakes get made, and there is no solution that fixes everything or creates Utopia, but that should never be the excuse to stop trying to come up with solutions aimed at TRYING to make things a little better.

who said anything about things being perfect, of course mistakes are made, things fall through the crack.

The point was the vetting process isn't good , it needs to be better, Trump's moratorium was a start but its only a band aid solution.

People think its racists because they want the government to check all Muslims, well a lot of the horrible terrorists crimes were committed by certain followers of Islam.

If there was a way of picking out terrorists so that all Muslims dont get painted with the same brush life would be easier.

its like me being black and from Canada , when I drive in the USA I know I have to be extremely careful , I dont dress like a thug or wear a baseball cap backwards etc.

Ive been stopped by police but never given a ticket, or harassed , beaten, arrested etc, I also dont give them attitude either.

Now I know because of the colour of my skin Im not given the benefit of doubt as they dont know if Im a gang banger, a wanted felon or a ordinary tax paying citizen but as long as I dont disrespect them or give them reason to beat my azz, its all good .

Back to the point

I think Trump is trying to find different solution during the moratorium but he is finding out bureaucrats move at their own pace.

I think in that televised statement the key words that some choose to ignore is
"Until we can sort out what the hell is going on " !!!

yes, they seem to ignore that part because it doesnt fit their narrative.

I remember it because I thought he sounded like John Wayne
But it really annoys me when the media twist things for there own agenda!

Media usually always twist things about our POTUS !!

Aint that the truth.

I have no faith in the media.

I dont think its ignored, I just think it changes things about as much as if Obama had said

"we have to stop selling guns to white kids until we find out what the hell is going on"


or, if some are uncomfortable comparing rights to privileges

"we have to stop permitting white kids onto school grounds until we find out what the hell is going on"



to equate crimes to something as simple as what religion one follows is no more reasonable equating them to the race they belong to.

I dont think its ignored, I just think it changes things about as much as if Obama had said

"we have to stop selling guns to white kids until we find out what the hell is going on"


or, if some are uncomfortable comparing rights to privileges

"we have to stop permitting white kids onto school grounds until we find out what the hell is going on"



to equate crimes to something as simple as what religion one follows is no more reasonable than equating them to the race they belong to.

I dont think its ignored, I just think it changes things about as much as if Obama had said

"we have to stop selling guns to white kids until we find out what the hell is going on"


or, if some are uncomfortable comparing rights to privileges

"we have to stop permitting white kids onto school grounds until we find out what the hell is going on"



to equate crimes to something as simple as what religion one follows is no more reasonable than equating them to the race they belong to.

I dont suppositions, Obama didn't say it so no need to bring him up.

Facts are the last few school shooting were white kids, deranged.

The last few mass shooting including the deadliest one in America,was from a guy and the authorities haven't said if he was mentally unstable or not.

the terrorist acts including the one in NYC was a guy who claim he was doing for Allah and the terrorists killing people in Europe all claim they did it for Allah.

Did they say they are killing in the name of Jesus or God?

Are right wingers killing socialists in America because some socialists say that Jesus was a socialist?

Lets just deal with the facts and real events.

sometimes analogy is used as a resource for explanation

the point being that a person in the position of POTUS setting a bigoted policy is not deflected somehow because he/she puts a time frame on it.

so what if someone says they are killing in the name of God, does that make everyone believing in God a suspect for future crime?

if someone says they are doing something to make america great, does that make everyone who espouses such a wish should be suspect for future crime?

the answer is no. it doesnt, thats the facts and real events.

I will remember you said that, that might come back and haunt you.

bigoted policy? can you say Neville Chamberlain.



you make it sound so simple Miss Harmony, here is the problem, the last few major crimes committed by terrorists domestic and foreign claimed they did for ISIS/ISIL or Allah.
I can only go by actual facts and events.



I have no idea where you're going with this? You Trump haters are just as bad as some of the right wing zealots .

Making America great isn't a euphemism for lets America White, it means bringing America back to her former glory where she was looked up to.

America doesn't mean white people only, it means American born or newly granted American citizenship, law abiding citizens of wait for it??

All races and nationalities.

People who come to America LEGALLY and contribute to American society vs coming to America and sponging off the system .

Up here in Canada its the same thing, we have a guy up here Nav Bhatia he is known as the Toronto Raptor's superfan, he hasnt missed a game in 20 years.

He is an Indian born, wears a Turbin and is a Sikh.
why is this guy beloved? because he is the type of immigrant that comes to new country and assimilates to the society , he always says he loves Canada and is a proud Canadian.

That is the kind of immigrant that is so welcomed and loved, he adopted Canada while keeping his religion and guess what?

we respect that, He doesn't try to convert or say We must adapt to him nor do we try and convert him, that is the true meaning of proper multiculturalism.

What I believe Trump wants is a America full of people who adapts to American society and laws , what is wrong with that?

the topic was merely about Trump being a good President.

my post was about the unjust idea that a President will single out a demographic based on religion alone ....

no many how many other EXAMPLES of others one can bring up

as it pertains to TRUMP, such a sweeping intent towards a bigoted policy, even with a time frame is not a 'good' move ... just a bigoted one ...


probably why noone shut down churches in the hey day of abortion clinic bombings, and any POTUS suggesting it as an answer would have been similarly criticized ...

most folks will judge Trump when his presidency is over and Most of us are betting he will do two terms and then we will see where America is and then judge him accordingly.

All this crap about him being a racist is B.S.

There have been plenty of racist presidents are they judged as much as Trump?

I would imagine that WHILE THEY WERE SERVING AS POTUS, and post segregation era when racism was seen as a strength and attribute, the answer is yes.

really eh? do you see many people protesting to get Woodrow Wilson names off of any high schools?

Do you see many Japanese Americans protesting to remove FDR name off of schools and roads?

Do you see many people protesting to have Andrew Jackson name removed?

3 of the biggest racists presidents , but lets nitpick on Trump, you guys praise Robert Byrd an ex klansman cyclops b.s.leader but oh he changed right?

Woodrow Wilson is not serving as POTUS, neither are FDR, Andrew Jackson, no nitpicking

just understanding relevance to heightened criticism of a SITTING POTUS ...