Topic: Trump is being generous with pardons
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Sat 06/09/18 07:43 PM
of course you would say that, remember what I said that when you bring up Obama that it would haunt you?

see my point, you brought up Obama to illustrate a point and I brought up ex presidents too but not to make a point.

So back to Trump the left's favourite whipping boy.

the racist president who pardons people for opportunity? yeah that is B.S.

This guy doesnt strike me as the type to care about what people think, compared to what he believe he is doing for the American people.

I admire that compared to other presidents which shall remain nameless that really didnt do much to help their fellow Americans


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Sat 06/09/18 08:00 PM
of course I would state fact, thank you

I'm not haunted at all. question asked, and question answered.

You may believe his pardoning for opportunity is a BS assessment.

I believe inviting celebs to give him names to pardon, is very opportunistic, and probably irresponsible, since pardons should be up for grabs by association to celebrities. It also says alot about his tendency to not KNOW what he even stands for that out of one side of his mouth he argues football protesters should not be permitted to play FOOTBALL, but then invites them to give him some friends or family names to PARDON.

I don't believe there is alot to really accomplish right now, because we are fairly stable as a nation. I dont think he will SCREW it up as much as his opponents declare, and I doubt he will be the savior that his supporters declare. At best, because of what he came in to, he will be a very so-so POTUS, with the exception of his language, vocabulary and behavior, which will be anything but what has been considered "Presidential."


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Sun 06/10/18 07:27 AM

of course I would state fact, thank you

I'm not haunted at all. question asked, and question answered.

You may believe his pardoning for opportunity is a BS assessment.

I believe inviting celebs to give him names to pardon, is very opportunistic, and probably irresponsible, since pardons should be up for grabs by association to celebrities. It also says alot about his tendency to not KNOW what he even stands for that out of one side of his mouth he argues football protesters should not be permitted to play FOOTBALL, but then invites them to give him some friends or family names to PARDON.

I don't believe there is alot to really accomplish right now, because we are fairly stable as a nation. I dont think he will SCREW it up as much as his opponents declare, and I doubt he will be the savior that his supporters declare. At best, because of what he came in to, he will be a very so-so POTUS, with the exception of his language, vocabulary and behavior, which will be anything but what has been considered "Presidential."


Lol, so your belief is that Obama handed Trump a very stable country . Therefore not much for Trump to do except don't screw it up. Reality is that N Korea was threatening the U.S. W/ nuclear war. IsIs was getting stronger and threatening the U.S., our economy was weak and unstable. Unemployment was at the highest mark in decades. Millions more on food stamps. Riots in the streets. Etc. Etc. ... Yea not much to do there. I know Obama thought it couldn't get better , that's the vision of a lazy and arrogant person. Now we got a president that cares and wants to make America the best it can be. Anybody that can't see that is not only denying themselves of reality but also contributing dishonesty to others they are close to

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Sun 06/10/18 07:27 AM
Edited by Workin4it on Sun 06/10/18 07:31 AM

of course I would state fact, thank you

I'm not haunted at all. question asked, and question answered.

You may believe his pardoning for opportunity is a BS assessment.

I believe inviting celebs to give him names to pardon, is very opportunistic, and probably irresponsible, since pardons should be up for grabs by association to celebrities. It also says alot about his tendency to not KNOW what he even stands for that out of one side of his mouth he argues football protesters should not be permitted to play FOOTBALL, but then invites them to give him some friends or family names to PARDON.

I don't believe there is alot to really accomplish right now, because we are fairly stable as a nation. I dont think he will SCREW it up as much as his opponents declare, and I doubt he will be the savior that his supporters declare. At best, because of what he came in to, he will be a very so-so POTUS, with the exception of his language, vocabulary and behavior, which will be anything but what has been considered "Presidential."


Lol, so your belief is that Obama handed Trump a very stable country . Therefore not much for Trump to do except don't screw it up. Reality is that N Korea was threatening the U.S. W/ nuclear war. IsIs was getting stronger and threatening the U.S., our economy was weak and unstable. Unemployment was at the highest mark in decades. Millions more on food stamps. Riots in the streets. Etc. Etc. ... Yea not much to do there. I know Obama thought it couldn't get better , that's the vision of a lazy and arrogant person. Now we got a president that cares and wants to make America the best it can be. And he is winning at all these things.Anybody that can't see that is not only denying themselves of reality but also contributing dishonesty to others they are close to

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Sun 06/10/18 07:55 AM



Lol, so your belief is that Obama handed Trump a very stable country . Therefore not much for Trump to do except don't screw it up. Reality is that N Korea was threatening the U.S. W/ nuclear war. IsIs was getting stronger and threatening the U.S., our economy was weak and unstable. Unemployment was at the highest mark in decades. Millions more on food stamps. Riots in the streets. Etc. Etc. ... Yea not much to do there. I know Obama thought it couldn't get better , that's the vision of a lazy and arrogant person. Now we got a president that cares and wants to make America the best it can be. Anybody that can't see that is not only denying themselves of reality but also contributing dishonesty to others they are close to


you have to laugh at the Obama sycophants that believes every little thing his Lordship says.

If America was truly stable as they believe, Trump wouldn't have been elected.

people wouldn't be on the streets protesting for a minimum wage increase to $15.00 per hour.

Black lives matter, Antifa and other fringe groups wouldn't exist, MS 13 gangs wouldn't even make the papers or the news cycle.

Trump was elected because he promised he could fix THE PROBLEMS.


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Sun 06/10/18 08:20 AM



Except that Trump didn't ban Muslim it was a moratorium

With the terror attacks in Europe who can blame him, remember his job is providing security and safety of his citizens

By the way the Vetting process worked really well that allowed the san bernandino couple that went on that shooting rampage right?

I dont know how you can dismiss the san bernandino tragedy , someone in your government screwed the pooch on that one.

Socially detached or mentally unstable doesn't even cut it, after the investigating things were discovered that was overlooked, which either means incompetence on someone part or the vetting system isn't good.



I think in that televised statement the key words that some choose to ignore is
"Until we can sort out what the hell is going on " !!!





I dont think its ignored, I just think it changes things about as much as if Obama had said

"we have to stop selling guns to white kids until we find out what the hell is going on"


or, if some are uncomfortable comparing rights to privileges

"we have to stop permitting white kids onto school grounds until we find out what the hell is going on"



to equate crimes to something as simple as what religion one follows is no more reasonable than equating them to the race they belong to.




Maybe because it's easier to fight an external threat than an internal threat?
Also, it is a Muslim problem even if they don't represent all muslims!

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Sun 06/10/18 08:21 AM


of course I would state fact, thank you

I'm not haunted at all. question asked, and question answered.

You may believe his pardoning for opportunity is a BS assessment.

I believe inviting celebs to give him names to pardon, is very opportunistic, and probably irresponsible, since pardons should be up for grabs by association to celebrities. It also says alot about his tendency to not KNOW what he even stands for that out of one side of his mouth he argues football protesters should not be permitted to play FOOTBALL, but then invites them to give him some friends or family names to PARDON.

I don't believe there is alot to really accomplish right now, because we are fairly stable as a nation. I dont think he will SCREW it up as much as his opponents declare, and I doubt he will be the savior that his supporters declare. At best, because of what he came in to, he will be a very so-so POTUS, with the exception of his language, vocabulary and behavior, which will be anything but what has been considered "Presidential."


Lol, so your belief is that Obama handed Trump a very stable country . Therefore not much for Trump to do except don't screw it up. Reality is that N Korea was threatening the U.S. W/ nuclear war. IsIs was getting stronger and threatening the U.S., our economy was weak and unstable. Unemployment was at the highest mark in decades. Millions more on food stamps. Riots in the streets. Etc. Etc. ... Yea not much to do there. I know Obama thought it couldn't get better , that's the vision of a lazy and arrogant person. Now we got a president that cares and wants to make America the best it can be. Anybody that can't see that is not only denying themselves of reality but also contributing dishonesty to others they are close to



I wonder if you can inform us the DATE that North Korea threatened the US. I wonder if you can inform us what standard you are using to determine the 'strength' of ISIS? I mean, could it be said that Al Queda was 'getting stronger' when Obama took office? We always have some common threat 'terrorist' regardless of POTUS.

I also wonder if you can briefly explain the indicators for a 'strong' or 'weak' economy.

Trump is actually INHERITING a downward trend already in place under OBAMA

with food stamps



with unemployment




Riots in the street were not an issue when Trump took office and continue not to be


but I know researching documented fact is not an interest to many Trump supporters, so keep believing Trump is saving the country from things that dont exist.





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Sun 06/10/18 08:26 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 06/10/18 08:29 AM




Lol, so your belief is that Obama handed Trump a very stable country . Therefore not much for Trump to do except don't screw it up. Reality is that N Korea was threatening the U.S. W/ nuclear war. IsIs was getting stronger and threatening the U.S., our economy was weak and unstable. Unemployment was at the highest mark in decades. Millions more on food stamps. Riots in the streets. Etc. Etc. ... Yea not much to do there. I know Obama thought it couldn't get better , that's the vision of a lazy and arrogant person. Now we got a president that cares and wants to make America the best it can be. Anybody that can't see that is not only denying themselves of reality but also contributing dishonesty to others they are close to


you have to laugh at the Obama sycophants that believes every little thing his Lordship says.

If America was truly stable as they believe, Trump wouldn't have been elected.

people wouldn't be on the streets protesting for a minimum wage increase to $15.00 per hour.

Black lives matter, Antifa and other fringe groups wouldn't exist, MS 13 gangs wouldn't even make the papers or the news cycle.

Trump was elected because he promised he could fix THE PROBLEMS.




wow. And a POTUS eradicates social grievances?

I think we are comparing apples to oranges. There were grievances when OBama came and were grievances when he left. Likewise with Trump. that was NOT the type of thing I was referring to when talking about what a POTUS can fix, because no POTUS will raise a wand and suddenly prevent social grievances or protests.

AS to the ISSUES of those protests... Police Brutality, wages, or racism, I dont see Trump doing much to address those either.



My argument was there is not much Trump has to fix. THE POTUS, no matter who they are, will not magically get rid of all SOCIAL grievances. They can have impact on the matters of economy, security, education, and healthcare,, however.

and there isnt much in those areas to be done except not get in the way of the progress that was ALREADY being made.


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Sun 06/10/18 08:28 AM




Except that Trump didn't ban Muslim it was a moratorium

With the terror attacks in Europe who can blame him, remember his job is providing security and safety of his citizens

By the way the Vetting process worked really well that allowed the san bernandino couple that went on that shooting rampage right?

I dont know how you can dismiss the san bernandino tragedy , someone in your government screwed the pooch on that one.

Socially detached or mentally unstable doesn't even cut it, after the investigating things were discovered that was overlooked, which either means incompetence on someone part or the vetting system isn't good.



I think in that televised statement the key words that some choose to ignore is
"Until we can sort out what the hell is going on " !!!





I dont think its ignored, I just think it changes things about as much as if Obama had said

"we have to stop selling guns to white kids until we find out what the hell is going on"


or, if some are uncomfortable comparing rights to privileges

"we have to stop permitting white kids onto school grounds until we find out what the hell is going on"



to equate crimes to something as simple as what religion one follows is no more reasonable than equating them to the race they belong to.




Maybe because it's easier to fight an external threat than an internal threat?
Also, it is a Muslim problem even if they don't represent all muslims!



okay. So maybe we should start addressing school shootings as an outcast white kid problem, even though they dont represent all outcast white kids ... and even if they are 'internal'.


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Sun 06/10/18 08:41 AM



wow. And a POTUS eradicates social grievances?

I think we are comparing apples to oranges. There were grievances when OBama came and were grievances when he left. Likewise with Trump. that was NOT the type of thing I was referring to when talking about what a POTUS can fix, because no POTUS will raise a wand and suddenly prevent social grievances or protests.

AS to the ISSUES of those protests... Police Brutality, wages, or racism, I dont see Trump doing much to address those either.



My argument was there is not much Trump has to fix. THE POTUS, no matter who they are, will not magically get rid of all SOCIAL grievances. They can have impact on the matters of economy, security, education, and healthcare,, however.

and there isnt much in those areas to be done except not get in the way of the progress that was ALREADY being made.




What did I say miss Harmony?

I said Trump was elected because he PROMISED he could fix the problems, I didn't say POTUS can eliminate them, no politician or legislator can eliminate social grievances.

He touched on a raw nerve with a lot of dissatisfied people.

As in for police brutality? please.
the police in this century are a lot tamer then they were in the past.

I dont see an epidemic of police shooting black people, just because a few like Freddie Gray, Micheal Brown and I cant remember the woman's name that died in police custody doesnt mean there is an epidemic of police brutality.

I suppose that the police who were gunned down in NYC was a result of BLM saying there is police brutality and its justified?

My argument was there is not much Trump has to fix. THE POTUS, no matter who they are, will not magically get rid of all SOCIAL grievances. They can have impact on the matters of economy, security, education, and healthcare,, however.


this I agree with.

but I have to ask what progress has been made?




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Sun 06/10/18 08:42 AM




wow. And a POTUS eradicates social grievances?

I think we are comparing apples to oranges. There were grievances when OBama came and were grievances when he left. Likewise with Trump. that was NOT the type of thing I was referring to when talking about what a POTUS can fix, because no POTUS will raise a wand and suddenly prevent social grievances or protests.

AS to the ISSUES of those protests... Police Brutality, wages, or racism, I dont see Trump doing much to address those either.



My argument was there is not much Trump has to fix. THE POTUS, no matter who they are, will not magically get rid of all SOCIAL grievances. They can have impact on the matters of economy, security, education, and healthcare,, however.

and there isnt much in those areas to be done except not get in the way of the progress that was ALREADY being made.




What did I say miss Harmony?

I said Trump was elected because he PROMISED he could fix the problems, I didn't say POTUS can eliminate them, no politician or legislator can eliminate social grievances.

He touched on a raw nerve with a lot of dissatisfied people.

As in for police brutality? please.
the police in this century are a lot tamer then they were in the past.

I dont see an epidemic of police shooting black people, just because a few like Freddie Gray, Micheal Brown and I cant remember the woman's name that died in police custody doesnt mean there is an epidemic of police brutality.

I suppose that the police who were gunned down in NYC was a result of BLM saying there is police brutality and its justified?

My argument was there is not much Trump has to fix. THE POTUS, no matter who they are, will not magically get rid of all SOCIAL grievances. They can have impact on the matters of economy, security, education, and healthcare,, however.


this I agree with.

but I have to ask what progress has been made?






see some of the above posted data on trends pre and post recession ...



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Sun 06/10/18 09:06 AM
Ive seen your data and the sources, but most of them use univariate analysis.

Where as I would read multivariate analysis because it gives me a greater view which is why I can honestly dispute your claim that african American unemployment rate declined under Bill Clinton.

Using a bunch of data and statistics forms a greater picture.

Kind of like the unemployment numbers, most people use the official U3 numbers and those who believe in Multivariate analysis uses the U6 numbers as the true numbers.


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Sun 06/10/18 09:07 AM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

wow... okay.

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Sun 06/10/18 09:11 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 06/10/18 09:12 AM

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

wow... okay.

for your perusal, regarding the ALREADY EXISTING unemployment downward trend (U6)





though I did not do anything with it, I did complete courses in paralegal studies, which involves willingness to research.

so Im happy to use the 'analysis' preference if Im provided with exactly what it is.

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Sun 06/10/18 09:14 AM



of course I would state fact, thank you

I'm not haunted at all. question asked, and question answered.

You may believe his pardoning for opportunity is a BS assessment.

I believe inviting celebs to give him names to pardon, is very opportunistic, and probably irresponsible, since pardons should be up for grabs by association to celebrities. It also says alot about his tendency to not KNOW what he even stands for that out of one side of his mouth he argues football protesters should not be permitted to play FOOTBALL, but then invites them to give him some friends or family names to PARDON.

I don't believe there is alot to really accomplish right now, because we are fairly stable as a nation. I dont think he will SCREW it up as much as his opponents declare, and I doubt he will be the savior that his supporters declare. At best, because of what he came in to, he will be a very so-so POTUS, with the exception of his language, vocabulary and behavior, which will be anything but what has been considered "Presidential."


Lol, so your belief is that Obama handed Trump a very stable country . Therefore not much for Trump to do except don't screw it up. Reality is that N Korea was threatening the U.S. W/ nuclear war. IsIs was getting stronger and threatening the U.S., our economy was weak and unstable. Unemployment was at the highest mark in decades. Millions more on food stamps. Riots in the streets. Etc. Etc. ... Yea not much to do there. I know Obama thought it couldn't get better , that's the vision of a lazy and arrogant person. Now we got a president that cares and wants to make America the best it can be. Anybody that can't see that is not only denying themselves of reality but also contributing dishonesty to others they are close to



I wonder if you can inform us the DATE that North Korea threatened the US. I wonder if you can inform us what standard you are using to determine the 'strength' of ISIS? I mean, could it be said that Al Queda was 'getting stronger' when Obama took office? We always have some common threat 'terrorist' regardless of POTUS.

I also wonder if you can briefly explain the indicators for a 'strong' or 'weak' economy.

Trump is actually INHERITING a downward trend already in place under OBAMA

with food stamps



with unemployment




Riots in the street were not an issue when Trump took office and continue not to be


but I know researching documented fact is not an interest to many Trump supporters, so keep believing Trump is saving the country from things that dont exist.





N. Korea has been a thorn in the side of U.S. For decades but it was 2005 I think they tested their first nuke, but it was throughout Obamas term that they perfected their delivery system , Obama tried but gave up at first sign of frustration . ...during Obamas terms Isis was on our tv's nightly it seems like chopping heads off or drowning others. I have seen those horrific scenes since Trumps been in office... A weak economy growing by 1 or 1.5% = weak economy . Now we see 3to4 % growth = strong economy.... Now there is more job openings than unemployed .And yes there riots in the streets during Obama years because of his bashing of law enforcement and border patrol.

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Sun 06/10/18 09:15 AM
Lower grade employment will fluctuate in every country. It does here. depends on what people are available and at what price.
Could be african american for a few years and then another race comes along, let's say Mexican and says, hey, we can do that for a couple of $ per hour cheaper so they get the work!
It is happening here with eastern Europeans coming to the UK. Year's ago it was the irish then Indians and others!
Which goes back to a conversation we had (msharmony) about cheap imports!
If you want home made /grown everything then your cost of living will increase end of.

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Sun 06/10/18 09:27 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 06/10/18 09:28 AM




of course I would state fact, thank you

I'm not haunted at all. question asked, and question answered.

You may believe his pardoning for opportunity is a BS assessment.

I believe inviting celebs to give him names to pardon, is very opportunistic, and probably irresponsible, since pardons should be up for grabs by association to celebrities. It also says alot about his tendency to not KNOW what he even stands for that out of one side of his mouth he argues football protesters should not be permitted to play FOOTBALL, but then invites them to give him some friends or family names to PARDON.

I don't believe there is alot to really accomplish right now, because we are fairly stable as a nation. I dont think he will SCREW it up as much as his opponents declare, and I doubt he will be the savior that his supporters declare. At best, because of what he came in to, he will be a very so-so POTUS, with the exception of his language, vocabulary and behavior, which will be anything but what has been considered "Presidential."


Lol, so your belief is that Obama handed Trump a very stable country . Therefore not much for Trump to do except don't screw it up. Reality is that N Korea was threatening the U.S. W/ nuclear war. IsIs was getting stronger and threatening the U.S., our economy was weak and unstable. Unemployment was at the highest mark in decades. Millions more on food stamps. Riots in the streets. Etc. Etc. ... Yea not much to do there. I know Obama thought it couldn't get better , that's the vision of a lazy and arrogant person. Now we got a president that cares and wants to make America the best it can be. Anybody that can't see that is not only denying themselves of reality but also contributing dishonesty to others they are close to



I wonder if you can inform us the DATE that North Korea threatened the US. I wonder if you can inform us what standard you are using to determine the 'strength' of ISIS? I mean, could it be said that Al Queda was 'getting stronger' when Obama took office? We always have some common threat 'terrorist' regardless of POTUS.

I also wonder if you can briefly explain the indicators for a 'strong' or 'weak' economy.

Trump is actually INHERITING a downward trend already in place under OBAMA

with food stamps



with unemployment




Riots in the street were not an issue when Trump took office and continue not to be


but I know researching documented fact is not an interest to many Trump supporters, so keep believing Trump is saving the country from things that dont exist.





N. Korea has been a thorn in the side of U.S. For decades but it was 2005 I think they tested their first nuke, but it was throughout Obamas term that they perfected their delivery system , Obama tried but gave up at first sign of frustration . ...during Obamas terms Isis was on our tv's nightly it seems like chopping heads off or drowning others. I have seen those horrific scenes since Trumps been in office... A weak economy growing by 1 or 1.5% = weak economy . Now we see 3to4 % growth = strong economy.... Now there is more job openings than unemployed .And yes there riots in the streets during Obama years because of his bashing of law enforcement and border patrol.



sigh ....

so of the eight years Obama had, coming in with a NEGATIVE Growth

he had, by your standards, primarily NOT weak numbers

the normal trends go up and down under each POTUS, I doubt Trump will be different there either...

there are always more JOB OPENINGS than unemployed, because those numbers include the jobs people are not qualified for, or dont want ...

and there is rioting under every president, because of the social issues of the day...

it is astounding some of the same who praise Trump and bash Obama completely ignore the significance of actually TURNING a downward trend around, compared to merely maintaining it ...



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Sun 06/10/18 09:58 AM

I think the drug dealing grandma should have been pardoned. But I also wonder if the judge gave her a harsh sentence because usually mom's and grandmother worry about their children getting on drugs. My son in law says i sound like an after school special. So, what if her sentencing had nothing to do with being black.


The Judge had no choice. When she was convicted there were mandatory sentencing required for drug crimes. Hers, once convicted she couldn't get any other sentence.

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Sun 06/10/18 10:17 AM
well miss harmony I did mention the stats about young black men incarcerated which does have an effect on those numbers and you dismissed like a fat kid dismissing a garden salad at a birthday party.

when one looks at data and see the numbers one must investigate why the numbers appears to say one thing and reality says another.

and that is what Lead me to believe multivariate analysis vs univeriate analysis.

If you want to dismiss that is your right, people like me wants to know why things are what they are.

the truth is black folks at least the below average black folks wasn't doing well under the Obama Administration, they certainly didn't do well under Clinton unless you were celebrity .

You know who else didn't do well, poor white folks in the Appalachians, are you going to tell me that Im wrong?

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Sun 06/10/18 10:52 AM

well miss harmony I did mention the stats about young black men incarcerated which does have an effect on those numbers and you dismissed like a fat kid dismissing a garden salad at a birthday party.

when one looks at data and see the numbers one must investigate why the numbers appears to say one thing and reality says another.

and that is what Lead me to believe multivariate analysis vs univeriate analysis.

If you want to dismiss that is your right, people like me wants to know why things are what they are.

the truth is black folks at least the below average black folks wasn't doing well under the Obama Administration, they certainly didn't do well under Clinton unless you were celebrity .

You know who else didn't do well, poor white folks in the Appalachians, are you going to tell me that Im wrong?


I did not dismiss it. the unemployment rate is figured by what portion of people are not employed out of the people who ARE employed plus the people looking for employment.

so prisoners, because they fit neither category, are not relevant to how unemployment is figured.

as far as blacks or Appalachians, you are not wrong

and there is no utopian time in the US where one cannot point out some groups doing worse than others ,,, the issue of whether Trump will have any significant OVERALL impact will not be measured merely on whether there are still some groups that are doing worse than other groups,

in AMerica, there has not been and still wont be a POTUS that changes that trend in socioeconomic gaps for African Americans and other minorities, and none have really been held to an expectation to do so, because they all must be lifting up EVERYONE at once, which does nothing to improve GAPS.