Topic: Congressional Democrat Does Right Thing, Shocks Constituents
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Mon 01/14/19 05:20 AM
A congressional Democrat's constituents are in shock over the fact that the Democrat did the right thing.

First, here is the background story as provided by Steve Cortes:

When I think of the fraternal Catholic organization the Knights of Columbus, I mostly recall pancakes and basketball. In my parish when I grew up, the Knights regularly served pancake breakfasts to raise money for worthy community causes. I also once won their free-throw shooting contest at my parochial school!

The millions of Catholic men who belong to the Knights of Columbus would probably be stunned to learn that at least two U.S. senators seem to consider membership in this laudable service organization as somehow disqualifying from serving as a federal judge.

Sens. Mazie Hirono and Kamala Harris, in written questions to District Court judge nominee Brian Buescher, challenged his suitability for the bench because he belongs to this charitable Catholic group. Hirono claimed that the Knights have taken "extreme positions" such as affirming Catholic belief in traditional marriage and even asked Buescher, "If confirmed, do you intend to end your membership with this organization to avoid any appearance of bias?" In today’s Democratic Party, the new McCarthyism asks, "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Knights of Columbus?"

Harris wrote that "the Knights of Columbus, an all-male society comprised of primarily Catholic men … opposes a woman's right to choose." Anyone who ever pledged a college fraternity or sorority, take note — Harris does not seem to approve of your membership in a single-sex organization. Anyone who further dares to personally embrace longstanding Christian doctrine on the sanctity of life, including the unborn, should also seek employment outside of the federal bench. Such anti-Catholic bias represents not just a discriminatory affront, but also an unconstitutional religious litmus test for appointees.


One Democratic member of Congress didn't ignore such an overt attack on religious freedom. Instead, she publicly rebuked the attackers in an op-ed column published by The Hill.

Here is an excerpt from the column:

Whether we think of ourselves as Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Sikh, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, agnostics, or anything else, it is imperative that we stand united in our commitment to protect religious freedom and the right to worship or not worship, safely and without the fear of retribution.

We must stand together, and with one voice condemn those who seek to incite bigotry based on religion. We cannot allow those who are anxious to exploit our differences to drive a wedge between us. We cannot and will not tolerate prejudicial treatment of those with whom we disagree, any more than we would tolerate such treatment of those with whom we agree.

Standing up for freedom of religion for all people is as critical now as it's ever been — hatred and bigotry are casting a dark shadow over our political system and threatening the very fabric of our country. . .

While I oppose the nomination of Brian Buescher to the U.S. District Court in Nebraska, I stand strongly against those who are fomenting religious bigotry, citing as disqualifiers Buescher's Catholicism and his affiliation with the Knights of Columbus. If Buescher is "unqualified" because of his Catholicism and affiliation with the Knights of Columbus, then President John F. Kennedy, and the 'liberal lion of the Senate' Ted Kennedy would have been "unqualified" for the same reasons.

Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution clearly states that there "shall be no religious test" for any seeking to serve in public office.

No American should be told that his or her public service is unwelcome because "the dogma lives loudly within you" as Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said to Amy Coney Barrett during her confirmation hearings in 2017 to serve as U.S. Circuit Court judge in the 7th Circuit.

While I absolutely believe in the separation of church and state as a necessity to the health of our nation, no American should be asked to renounce his or her faith or membership in a faith-based, service organization in order to hold public office.


Because that Democrat member of Congress defended freedom of religion – as well as pointed out an obvious violation of the U.S. Constitution – The Hill now reports "Gabbard-Hirono clash shocks Hawaii".

There is something wrong with the Democratic Party if a Democratic politician can't defend freedom of religion without being criticized by other Democrats for doing so.

There is something seriously wrong with the Democratic Party if only one Democratic politician is willing to rebuke Democrats who attack freedom of religion.

Being a member of the Roman Catholic branch of the universal Church doesn't disqualify a person from a federal judgeship. Anyone who believes otherwise isn't fit for public office.






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Mon 01/14/19 05:50 AM
As a Knight Hospitaller all I can say is...…
HERE! HERE!
The democrats will be turning on us next I suppose!

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Mon 01/14/19 06:35 AM
Politicians: Control,Corruption,Money And Power.

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Mon 01/14/19 08:01 AM
Edited by hardBNhard on Mon 01/14/19 08:41 AM
As a democrat supporter and a agnostic and a person that likes Kamala Harris
I must agree that it was wrong to judge the person based on his membership to a religious organization.
I believe in the seperation of church and state . I hope she sees the error of her ways and retracts her comments .

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Mon 01/14/19 08:17 AM

As a democrat supporter and a agnostic and a person that likes Kamala Harris
I must agree that it was wrong to judge thean based on his membership to a religious organization.
I beleive in the seperation of church and state . I hope she sees the error of her ways and retracts her comments .
Calling her out is a start but will you vote for her for Pres. If she doesn't mend her ways?

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Mon 01/14/19 08:27 AM
People seem to forget how stigmatized and hated Catholics were back in the late 1800's and early 1900's..
I could post any number of things about them being ostracized, killed, assaulted..
People were afraid they were going to take this country over.....had allegiance to the Pope, and *he* would eventually be in charge.
That didn't happen.

Sounds a lot like how people feel about people of *other* religions* here *now*..

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Mon 01/14/19 08:45 AM
Edited by hardBNhard on Mon 01/14/19 08:47 AM


As a democrat supporter and a agnostic and a person that likes Kamala Harris
I must agree that it was wrong to judge thean based on his membership to a religious organization.
I beleive in the seperation of church and state . I hope she sees the error of her ways and retracts her comments .
Calling her out is a start but will you vote for her for Pres. If she doesn't mend her ways?

This thread is the first ive heard of this and i need to learn more .
But if she stands by her opinion i wouldnt vote for her . But she is correct that the judge in question has no buisness being on the bench with his bias views .
As i said im not religious but deffend anybody's right to believe what they want to believe

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Mon 01/14/19 09:03 AM



As a democrat supporter and a agnostic and a person that likes Kamala Harris
I must agree that it was wrong to judge thean based on his membership to a religious organization.
I beleive in the seperation of church and state . I hope she sees the error of her ways and retracts her comments .
Calling her out is a start but will you vote for her for Pres. If she doesn't mend her ways?

This thread is the first ive heard of this and i need to learn more .
But if she stands by her opinion i wouldnt vote for her . But she is correct that the judge in question has no buisness being on the bench with his bias views .
As i said im not religious but deffend anybody's right to believe what they want to believe

so you would not vote for her because she rebuked her fellow democrats for attacking him based on his religion and group affiliation?

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Mon 01/14/19 09:16 AM
As i said eric i need to learn more on this topic . But as it stands im not sure i could support her .

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Mon 01/14/19 09:25 AM
When hardBNhard says, "im not sure i could support her", he is referring to Kamala Harris.

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Mon 01/14/19 09:38 AM
Edited by hardBNhard on Mon 01/14/19 09:41 AM

When hardBNhard says, "im not sure i could support her", he is referring to Kamala Harris.

Thanks for the clarification David ....pst ! The names Brian . Dont tell anybody laugh
P.S.
I wasnt a fan of Hillary's either ! Not that it has anything to do with this topic but im sure the question will come up .

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Mon 01/14/19 09:44 AM
oops
my misreading skills flared up and i took it backwards

hardBNhard's photo
Mon 01/14/19 09:56 AM

oops
my misreading skills flared up and i took it backwards


Ya i need to go flare up my misreading skills now myself smokin
This chyt is getting way to real ...... check please garson slaphead

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Mon 01/14/19 10:29 AM
A bias against a religion, is still a bias.

Hirono and Harris are therefore
unfit for public office.


Now.. I'm not Catholic, or even Christian.
Nor, have I ever been.


But, damn!
Enough with the religious intolerance.


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Mon 01/14/19 11:03 AM

A bias against a religion, is still a bias.

Hirono and Harris are therefore
unfit for public office.


Now.. I'm not Catholic, or even Christian.
Nor, have I ever been.


But, damn!
Enough with the religious intolerance.



Do you think steven king's vile racist comments make him unfit for office ?
And how about dingbat donald himself and nasty things hes said about and to woman
Isnt he unfit for office ?
I wouldnt go so far to say Kamalla is unfit for office or the position she holds now . I understand what she was trying to do with the right to life thing and all . But she used the wrong tactic in my opinion based only on what ive read here . Need to research it more as ive said .

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Mon 01/14/19 11:17 AM

As a democrat supporter and a agnostic and a person that likes Kamala Harris
I must agree that it was wrong to judge the person based on his membership to a religious organization.
I believe in the seperation of church and state . I hope she sees the error of her ways and retracts her comments .



i see two separate issues really.

the first is that this is merely a questioning of 'appearances' for a judge, who must uphold the law even if it is not in accordance with their personal or religious beliefs. The questions seem on scope with reason. If the judge has not shown bias against same sex marriage (Which the knights contributed to a ban on) or abortion, this should not be an issue. he can answer the questions and presume his judgship.

the only issue I see is expecting him to leave the organization, even though I even see the reason in that, purely socially and politically speaking, regarding the 'appearance' of alignment with anti same sex or anti abortion philosophies. It is a shame that people cannot be judged on the job they do in CORRELATION with personal comments and actions and behaviors. BUt in a social media world, appearances have become extremely significant. look at the trash a COMEDIAN(Kevin Hart) has taken. BUt this is a JUDGE, so a bit more inspection and introspection, I believe, doesnt hurt. As long as he is given the chance to respond and be judged on the merits of his actual judgments and behaviors.



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Thu 01/17/19 04:25 AM



As a democrat supporter and a agnostic and a person that likes Kamala Harris
I must agree that it was wrong to judge thean based on his membership to a religious organization.
I beleive in the seperation of church and state . I hope she sees the error of her ways and retracts her comments .
Calling her out is a start but will you vote for her for Pres. If she doesn't mend her ways?

This thread is the first ive heard of this and i need to learn more .
But if she stands by her opinion i wouldnt vote for her . But she is correct that the judge in question has no buisness being on the bench with his bias views .
As i said im not religious but deffend anybody's right to believe what they want to believe


She hasn't declared to run yet. Warren has, Gillinbrand has, Julian Castro has, John Delaney has, Richard Ojeda has, Tulsi Gabbard has and that's it so far. There is discussion about Biden running with Beto as his running mate, but that not official.

If Harris, Warren or Booker get the nomination they will loose. The majority of people hate them.

The one Democrat that I love and who I would love to see run is United States Marine Corps Veteran and Heavily Decorated War Hero, former Senator Jim Webb. He's a Democrat I could support.

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Thu 01/17/19 12:11 PM
I am not a big fan either of the group think accusations, all democrats dont hold all the same beliefs, neither do all republicans, all theists dont have the same beliefs on everything, neither do all atheists,

so when it comes to groups that do charity, it is hard to disparage individual members for participating in charity with that group, even if we dont always agree with all the political stances of that organization. So, Im not keen on anyone being judged ONLY on membership in a group that does charity, I think it matters WHY they are there and WHAT they do there, and it matters more what they do in their ACTUAL jobs. So this is one I disagree with Kamala on. However, I have not found one candidate from any party that I never disagree with on any issue. So, I think that I would still support her, from what I have heard from her so far.