a lot of people see it that way, but i think that's a pretty poor way to see pickup. i see it as more of a shared experience of enjoyment, not a business persuasion.
if you actually knew anything about real pickup you might understand.

ohhh that last part was deep like "whether you think you can or think you can't....you're right?"

Here is how it is, if I want something from you, say I want $10, and you have $10, and you are willing to spend $10, I have to persuade you to give it to me. It's the same in dating or hook ups, or whatever you call it. If you want my time my attention, or my phenom bedroom skills, and I don't even look your way, you need to PERSUADE me to give up what it is you want.

nope. that kinda mindset gets in the way of the pickup ART.
...seriously. its probably the second most common sticking point, the first one being approach anxiety.
it aint about one party convincing another party to make a trade or anything. its really about sharing a social experience. i'm not talking about a trade-off from sharing. i'm talking about giving joy without expecting anything from her or yourself, but intuitively knowing that everything is going in the right direction. ever done that before? try it; it tastes like enlightenment. nobody is bought. nobody is "persuaded." maybe you just never met anyone who truly believed that. must be the capitalist western culture. (i say that even though i am a capitalist)

But to get into a mutually fulfilling relationship(of whatever degree) you have to win over that other person. That is the bottom line.

You never have to win over anybody but yourself.
Accessing and expressing your true inner self shares love and joy with the universe and naturally draws social people to you.
You will hear me talking about "playing the game" but you will never hear me talking about "winning the game" because "winning" will always be nothing but an unfulfilling illusion that creates an unsatiable hunger.
Only when one realizes this can they free themselves from said illusion and allow themselves to really BE themselves.
I say Stop trying to win over others, Stop trying to control things outside yourself, and just BE. Wu Wei.
The dry weed that refuses to bend snaps in the wind because it is, in a sense, trying to stop that wind. The flexible blade of grass does not.

^^^So.. I'm guessing that means you don't hang out in the old growth forest up there, dressed in a leather mini skirt, spiked heels and tube top... Made up like you were married to a T.V. evangelist in the 80's?

Oh well..one less reason to drive up Mckenzie hwy.. Not that I find that sort of thing attractive. I just figured it would be fun to see... maybe take pictures.

I've seen beautiful and I have seen ugly ... and none it had anything to do with what the person looked like...