Topic: Greenpeace co-founder to AOC "Pompous little twit"
Rock's photo
Mon 03/04/19 01:41 PM
laugh

Quote, Patrick Moore, the co-founder of Greenpeace:
"Pompous little twit. You don’t have a plan to grow food
for 8 billion people without fossil fuels, or get food into the
cities. Horses? If fossil fuels were banned every tree in the
world would be cut down for fuel for cooking and heating. Y
ou would bring about mass death."


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/03/greenpeace-co-founder-aoc-pompous-little-twit-green-new-deal-would-cause-mass-death/

Argo's photo
Mon 03/04/19 02:17 PM
a hundred or so years ago we were riding around on the backs
of animals...today we are cruising in our air-conditioned
400 horsepower luxury sedans and can also fly if we want to..

in the next hundred or so years advancement toward renewable
energy will progress exponentially until fossil fuels go the
way of the horse and buggy..

#StartNow

oldkid46's photo
Mon 03/04/19 02:29 PM
Our reliance on fossil fuels will slowly decrease but it will take time and a lot more scientific development. We heat a lot less with wood or coal today and most wood burning stoves are much more efficient and less polluting. The same can be said for many other forms of fossil fuel usage. We are developing power storage technologies that will make wind and solar energy viable but we aren't there yet and won't be for a number of years. Eventually travel will be powered by something other than fossil fuels and gasoline will only be used in antiques. We have started and will continue to move forward but it can't be accomplished by some legislation demanding it; only technology and scientific research can make it happen and that takes time! Have you seen a hydrogen powered car or truck on the road yet? Maybe some other new technology on the way?

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Mon 03/04/19 04:47 PM

Our reliance on fossil fuels will slowly decrease but it will take time and a lot more scientific development. We heat a lot less with wood or coal today and most wood burning stoves are much more efficient and less polluting. The same can be said for many other forms of fossil fuel usage. We are developing power storage technologies that will make wind and solar energy viable but we aren't there yet and won't be for a number of years. Eventually travel will be powered by something other than fossil fuels and gasoline will only be used in antiques. We have started and will continue to move forward but it can't be accomplished by some legislation demanding it; only technology and scientific research can make it happen and that takes time! Have you seen a hydrogen powered car or truck on the road yet? Maybe some other new technology on the way?


drinker

You got it! We haven't got the engineering yet to be able to produce the energy needed to run the world. Peabrains like AOC can't fathom what it takes to do such a thing. They can legislate 'til they're blue in the face, and it won't get it done any faster. Doofus obama was that way. (Still is) This is where I don't believe that politicians are worth a hoot, and they wasted good money on a useless education. They only got a name, which in many cases, isn't worth anything.

AOC in congress, that's laughable. What can she do well? Wait tables. (I wouldn't trust her to make a drink right. Sic John Taffer on her. Bet he's cut her to ribbons!)laugh laugh laugh

no photo
Mon 03/04/19 05:00 PM
Cough. We've had the ability to be powered by solar power for quite some time. The thing is, it scared the ****. Out of the energy companies who bought the rights and increased the price of it by about 600% making it unaffordable for most. And that is in Britain, which is not renound for it's sun. Not only that, you can produce an excess, which you can then sell back to the energy companies. And Rudolf Diesel who invented the Diesel engine, which originally ran on peanut oil, over 100 years ago, well his invention wasn't liked either, for similar reasons, and it was thus converted. Engines can run on fuel produced from coconuts and many other things.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 03/04/19 07:01 PM
Didn't Tesla invent a power source that harvested energy from the static electricty generated by the Earth?
Didn't someone who shall not be named supress his invention because free energy was not meant to be and money needed to be had?

The Powers That Be will keep fossil fuels going until another resource that can be exploited for more profit can be found.

dust4fun's photo
Mon 03/04/19 08:30 PM

Didn't Tesla invent a power source that harvested energy from the static electricty generated by the Earth?
Didn't someone who shall not be named supress his invention because free energy was not meant to be and money needed to be had?

The Powers That Be will keep fossil fuels going until another resource that can be exploited for more profit can be found.


Tesla's static electricity tower never did work out, but Tesla was one of the few that were into it for the good of the people and not for the money, possibly holding him back for some of his inventions. Direct Current(DC) was what Edison and everyone else came up with, but it could only travel very, very short distances. Tesla came up with Alterating Current (AC) that we still use today. Although he had several patents on it he never made any money from it. He died pennyless. However many people don't understand we lose as much as half our electricity produced in the transmission lines that transport it.
Plant based fuel still uses nutrients in the soil so using things such as corn will eventually lead to less fertal soil causing us to make even more fertilizers, while taking away from our food production. Things like algae that gets most of its nutrients from the sun would be a good fuel source, but they still have a ways to go on making it efficiently, often times bio fuels take more fuel to produce them than we actually get out of them.

no photo
Mon 03/04/19 10:35 PM
Yeah, we've all heard of coconut republics. If only they grew on trees

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 03/04/19 10:50 PM
Thanx, I'm kinda rusty on the Tesla history.

As for fuel sources for energy.

Seems to me, a promising avenue for technology and innovation would be in tapping into the energy of atomic foundational forces.

I participate in a few science fiction communities.
Many with well-established writers in the genre.
There is much discussion about potential energy sources of the future.

While currently beyond our technology and knowledge level, Imagine an energy source that taps into and uses the fundamental forces of matter.
This would mean that every molecule, perhaps every atom itself could power the device they make up.
Granted, we are a long way from that understanding.
But what if, the atoms that compose the device, were to actually power that device?
Try to imagine a world without wires.
No batteries.
No external power sources at all.

The atoms, the fundamental forces that bind atoms, were the source of the power needed to activate the device.
Could it happen?
There is a distinction between probability and possibility.
It is possible but at our present understanding improbable.
But then, wasn't heart transplants improbable 200 years ago?

In a more reasonable scebnario we do have kinetic and static electricity that could hold promise in the nearer future.
I have read about sidewalks that produce electricity from people walking.
I have read about clothing that charges cell phone batteries by normal movement.
Perhaps we don't need a new fuel source?
Perhaps we only need to learn how to tap into the energy sources that already exist?

Lpdon's photo
Tue 03/05/19 03:12 AM

Didn't Tesla invent a power source that harvested energy from the static electricty generated by the Earth?
Didn't someone who shall not be named supress his invention because free energy was not meant to be and money needed to be had?

The Powers That Be will keep fossil fuels going until another resource that can be exploited for more profit can be found.


Tesla is one big Ponzi Scheme. That company is getting a ton of money from the Government and it has NEVER turned a profit.

Lpdon's photo
Tue 03/05/19 03:14 AM

Thanx, I'm kinda rusty on the Tesla history.

As for fuel sources for energy.

Seems to me, a promising avenue for technology and innovation would be in tapping into the energy of atomic foundational forces.

I participate in a few science fiction communities.
Many with well-established writers in the genre.
There is much discussion about potential energy sources of the future.

While currently beyond our technology and knowledge level, Imagine an energy source that taps into and uses the fundamental forces of matter.
This would mean that every molecule, perhaps every atom itself could power the device they make up.
Granted, we are a long way from that understanding.
But what if, the atoms that compose the device, were to actually power that device?
Try to imagine a world without wires.
No batteries.
No external power sources at all.

The atoms, the fundamental forces that bind atoms, were the source of the power needed to activate the device.
Could it happen?
There is a distinction between probability and possibility.
It is possible but at our present understanding improbable.
But then, wasn't heart transplants improbable 200 years ago?

In a more reasonable scebnario we do have kinetic and static electricity that could hold promise in the nearer future.
I have read about sidewalks that produce electricity from people walking.
I have read about clothing that charges cell phone batteries by normal movement.
Perhaps we don't need a new fuel source?
Perhaps we only need to learn how to tap into the energy sources that already exist?


Unfortunately I am very familiar with Tesla. They have ruined thousands of lives a lot in my city. It's sad what it has done to our community and how they screw over their workers and manipulate the housing market where people who don't work for them lose their housing because their rent triples.

FeelYoung's photo
Tue 03/05/19 05:48 PM

laugh

Quote, Patrick Moore, the co-founder of Greenpeace:
"Pompous little twit. You don’t have a plan to grow food
for 8 billion people without fossil fuels, or get food into the
cities. Horses? If fossil fuels were banned every tree in the
world would be cut down for fuel for cooking and heating. Y
ou would bring about mass death."


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/03/greenpeace-co-founder-aoc-pompous-little-twit-green-new-deal-would-cause-mass-death/


I totally agree with Moore. Someone needs to get all those old men out of the background when she speaks. do they AGREE? or just want a date with her.???

dust4fun's photo
Tue 03/05/19 06:48 PM
Edited by dust4fun on Tue 03/05/19 07:33 PM


Thanx, I'm kinda rusty on the Tesla history.

As for fuel sources for energy.

Seems to me, a promising avenue for technology and innovation would be in tapping into the energy of atomic foundational forces.

I participate in a few science fiction communities.
Many with well-established writers in the genre.
There is much discussion about potential energy sources of the future.

While currently beyond our technology and knowledge level, Imagine an energy source that taps into and uses the fundamental forces of matter.
This would mean that every molecule, perhaps every atom itself could power the device they make up.
Granted, we are a long way from that understanding.
But what if, the atoms that compose the device, were to actually power that device?
Try to imagine a world without wires.
No batteries.
No external power sources at all.

The atoms, the fundamental forces that bind atoms, were the source of the power needed to activate the device.
Could it happen?
There is a distinction between probability and possibility.
It is possible but at our present understanding improbable.
But then, wasn't heart transplants improbable 200 years ago?

In a more reasonable scebnario we do have kinetic and static electricity that could hold promise in the nearer future.
I have read about sidewalks that produce electricity from people walking.
I have read about clothing that charges cell phone batteries by normal movement.
Perhaps we don't need a new fuel source?
Perhaps we only need to learn how to tap into the energy sources that already exist?


Unfortunately I am very familiar with Tesla. They have ruined thousands of lives a lot in my city. It's sad what it has done to our community and how they screw over their workers and manipulate the housing market where people who don't work for them lose their housing because their rent triples.


Totally different Tesla, you want to talk to Elon Musk about that Tesla, if you were paying attention the Tesla we are talking about die pennyless 100 years ago, and was willing to give up his discoveries for free for the betterment of man kind.
On the other hand Elon Musk has taken government money, but he has also forced other automakers to take the electric car market seriously. He also has Space X, which is launching satellites into space along with other useful things, and they are developing space travel too. You see when NASA pulled the plug on the space shuttle they still needed a way to get things in space. The only option was foreign governments or private companies. Their are a few private players now, the founder of Amazon also runs one along with a few other players.
What you are talking about higher rents and screwing workers over has a lot to do with greedy property owners and people making poor decisions. Clearly the residents aren't smart enough to take advantage of the situation and its not uncommon for neighborhoods to change, some get more pricey, but often times its the other dirrection and they head toward poverty and decay.

oldkid46's photo
Tue 03/05/19 07:09 PM
We have wind farms and solar farms that contribute to the electrical grid when the wind blows or the sun shines. We still need base load generation to produce the majority of our electrical power and all of it when wind and solar are not working. Currently there are 3 viable means of base load generation: fossil fuels specifically coal and natural gas; hydro; and nuclear. None are perfect but we haven't yet created another means of large scale power production. There are numerous other small scale ways to produce power such as ocean currents, tide change, and wave action but none are feasible for the massive amounts of power it takes to operate our societies.

Rock's photo
Tue 03/05/19 11:39 PM
Nikola Tesla, was perhaps, one of the 'all time'
greatest inventors and idealists.

Faraday had some interesting theories on
electricity, as well.


However, among many possible non-fossil fuel
sources, is hydrogen. The exhaust produced by
a hydrogen engine, is water.