Topic: Experiential Truth (abstraction, reality, and magic)
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Sun 05/05/19 04:57 AM
Edited by Narlycarnk on Sun 05/05/19 05:14 AM
Believe in truth, and the Spirit of G-d will be With you on the most intimate level. Seek truth, by using the Principle of Charity. What are your own experiences of truth?


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Sun 05/05/19 08:19 AM
I'm sorry for coming over as negative, but in my experience, the truth is never told, and 1 is punished, for telling it

Narlycarnk's photo
Sun 05/05/19 08:41 AM

I'm sorry for coming over as negative, but in my experience, the truth is never told, and 1 is punished, for telling it


I will try to make sure that does not happen.

Narlycarnk's photo
Sun 05/05/19 09:19 AM
I feel the solid ground below me, keeping me from falling into a bottomless abyss.

In the middle of the night I feel a spirit beyond me, that lets me feel at peace to let go and rest.

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Sun 05/05/19 09:25 AM
I think 1 can believe a truth without telling it. winking
I find my comfort in the endless pursuit of my understandings of truth. I spose for me, that is how I can let go and sleep well.
Dont misunderstand me to be saying i dont believe in a spirit beyond me...thats not my thing.
Just saying I feel peace in the knowledge that I lack knowledge.

Narlycarnk's photo
Sun 05/05/19 10:14 AM

I think 1 can believe a truth without telling it. winking
I find my comfort in the endless pursuit of my understandings of truth. I spose for me, that is how I can let go and sleep well.
Dont misunderstand me to be saying i dont believe in a spirit beyond me...thats not my thing.
Just saying I feel peace in the knowledge that I lack knowledge.

Awesomeness

msharmony's photo
Sun 05/05/19 04:16 PM

Believe in truth, and the Spirit of G-d will be With you on the most intimate level. Seek truth, by using the Principle of Charity. What are your own experiences of truth?




My experience of truth is weighing the probable against the improbably, the collectively agreed against the collectively disagreed.

Certain facts are true because it has been agreed that they are true and not (yet) proven NOT to be true.

For scientists in particular, they can test facts for themselves, I suppose. But for others, like me, I have to trust the integrity of those who teach and share facts in books or other educational venues.

For me, there is an absolute truth, which is challenging to know. And there is a truth, as we speak about it, that is subjective to what we have experienced individually.

The absolute truth, to me, is going to be what is true regardless of whether we believe it or not.

The truth, as we commonly speak about it, is very often true because we have collectively all agreed to trust someone at some point sharing that truth, and then chosen to use it to communicate with each other in some consistent manner.



Tom4Uhere's photo
Sun 05/05/19 09:41 PM
Truth does not necessarily mean reality.

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Mon 05/06/19 11:00 PM
Arfvedson, my good man
I believe my point has been demonstrated

Jaden5t's photo
Sat 06/01/19 09:12 PM
Only the truth will set you
Free

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sat 06/01/19 09:39 PM

Only the truth will set you
Free

Truth requires an agreement.
Reality does not.

iam_resurrected's photo
Thu 07/11/19 07:46 AM

I'm sorry for coming over as negative, but in my experience, the truth is never told, and 1 is punished, for telling it







Good, generally when "Truth" is presented or stands in the presence before those witnessing, hatred comes forth.

It's like going to the doctor and being diagnosed with an incurable illness. Truth has been presented, but the truth does not want to be accepted. And whether "truth" comes at some in the form of illness, the form of a situation, the form of a court ruling, the form of a police officer catching a person in the act of committing a crime, the initial reaction is to deny the truth and to attack the one presenting the truth.

This is why the majority who deny God do as such. They do not want to see themselves as being less than, held and compared to a standard, judged. So, they attack the idealism of God.

1 out of every 3 persons on planet Earth suffer from some sort of Psychological Disorder. Just about every sufferer is in complete denial of that fact. So, they hide in the crowds to blend in, they try to become an authoritative figure believing overcompensating is proving their illness is wrong, many become a part of science trying to discover a cure, but overall, they remain in denial of the truth they have serious mental issues.

Walk around your local town and stores. 1 out of every 3 literally suffer from a mental disability. And we let these people out in society.

Someone who murders another is not completely sane by any means, Someone who steals does not have the ability to earn it, someone who rapes needs power they know they lack. And all around us, are people denying the "truth." And we do nothing about it.

Look at people who gather and protest against politicians, preachers, people of authority. These people are denying a "truth" they do not want to accept.

When I see someone denying a form that represents some kind of "truth," I know I am looking at someone who suffers mentally!!

Tom4Uhere's photo
Fri 07/12/19 10:37 PM
Humans are social animals.
Our society determines sanity.
The determination of sanity changes in a society over time.
Thus, sanity is not a defined constant but more of a current concensus.

iam_resurrected's photo
Fri 07/12/19 11:11 PM
Edited by iam_resurrected on Fri 07/12/19 11:13 PM

Humans are social animals.
Our society determines sanity.
The determination of sanity changes in a society over time.
Thus, sanity is not a defined constant but more of a current concensus.




That kind of makes one wonder when the current definition will suddenly change. It appears that the determination of sanity has been a human standard for at least three thousand years. Could be longer, knowing about the Ancient Greeks and all they chose to write about. Could be 5,000 years knowing how the Ancient Egyptians viewed life.

One thing is for certain, the definition of sanity does not change from generation to generation like taste in music, cars, games, etc.

I remember hating my Dad's kind of music, and then when I was around mid thirties, I began loving his kind of music lol

anemail's photo
Fri 07/12/19 11:51 PM

Truth requires an agreement.
Reality does not.


I disagree.

I was tempted to leave it like that. As ignorance does not alter reality, nor does it alter truth.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sat 07/13/19 12:56 AM


Truth requires an agreement.
Reality does not.


I disagree.

I was tempted to leave it like that. As ignorance does not alter reality, nor does it alter truth.

Reality is reality even if there is nobody there to validate it.
Truth requires validation for it to be truth.
Reality is always truth but truth is not always reality.

At one time it was truth that only birds can fly.
Then someone saw a fire in the sky and followed it and found a hot rock (meteorite).

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sat 07/13/19 01:10 AM
the definition of sanity does not change from generation to generation

Are you sure?
What would you call selective reasoning?

My father was born in 1912.
I was born in 1961.
It is now 2019.
That is 2 generations in 100 years.

How many people born when my father was born ended up in asylums due to senility before it became a degenerative brain disorder?

My father's society defined sanity very differently than today's society.

Not only do societies define sanity/insanity, cultures define sanity/insanity.

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Sat 07/13/19 05:05 PM
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

Tom4Uhere's photo
Sat 07/13/19 11:45 PM

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

This is truth.

Just remember survival depends on you and how you react to the threat before you.
Right now, the threat is not personal enough but it will be.
Do you choose to live or die like everyone else?
Its coming.

What are your own experiences of truth?

I have many.

Delusion: God cares.
Truth: God has nothing to do with it.

Delusion: Work hard to reap the rewards
Truth: it doesn't matter how hard you work, the rewards are insignificant.

Delusion: I matter
Truth: The only one I actually matter to is myself

Delusion: My opinion on what is right (and wrong) establishes how I deal with reality.
Truth: it doesn't matter how I consider right (or wrong), reality happens anyway.

Delusion: the pipe-dream of a utopian society is easy to consider and important
Truth: I have no control over society and only have control of myself.

Delusion: your woman or man is under control.
Truth: you control nothing. Every person you meet is looking from behind their own eyes.
They are with you because they choose to be.