Hello,

I decided not to call the other woman I went out with. I told you folks all about that train wreck.. Thanks for all the advice... Well, I met a really nice new woman and I decided to stay away from bars this time around an decided to take her to see a movie and I think it went very well, but me being so shy I couldn't even give her a kiss at the end of the night so, she hugged me. I don't want to turn into a friend as I've been there so If I go out with her again should I kiss her at the end of the night or let it ride and see what happens?

kiss on the cheek for starters, see how that goes.

yeah give her a kiss and than the next date after that,get a feel and see if she asks for another date

Listen to Azrae.. It will flow from there...

I agree, kiss her in the cheek. Usually if I want a guy to kiss me, i'll kiss him on the cheek, to let him know the next move is his. good luck

I don't know, man. Honestly, it's hard to say. I'm a really shy person too and my first REAL kiss was on my 17th birthday, so I am not an expert by any means! However, i have come a long way since then, lol. Next time you take her to a movie or w/e, you can try the whole "arm behind her thing then if she puts her head on your shoulder lift her by the chin and kiss her."

If you just want to know what you SHOULD do.. well, buddy, you and I are in the same boat because i don't know what i'm going to do either... lol.

If you do kiss her, make it in the middle of the date. I think that's awesome. Better yet - do it in the beggining. No akwardness, everybody knows where it's going - and you don't have to spring for dinner if she slaps you.

XstriferX, I made the arm move ( took me an hour of 1. 2. 3!! and didn't get the head lean so I was thinking to myself well this ain't good, but the more I spoke with her she seems like a daddies girl so that might not be her thing, but I'm gonna try what little moves I have left LOL... If there is a next time...

I, for one, can't even remember the number of girls I've kissed

There's a formula. It's Attraction + Comfort. Those who get LJBFed (Lets Just Be Friends) only end up in the friend zone because they built too much comfort and not enough attraction. That's the general case, at least.

To avoid gettting the LJBF, ramp up the attraction to match the level of comfort, and have both levels be high.
Don't worry about the kiss-close for now; that will come naturally if you flow with the procedure.

Most men don't know how to build attraction, though. (Hint: It's all about increasing sexual TENSION) I could go on and on about how you could go about doing this, but I'll just leave you with a few tips.

Inner game: Be "in state." Let go of all nervousness and detatch yourself from consequences and just be chill with being yourself around other people, particularly around the girl were talking about. Be confident in your ability to leave a positive lasting impression. Relax with every breath you take if you have to.

Outer game: Tease her as if she were one of your closest buddies. Have fun with her and be in the moment. Increase her desire for you before you take any steps toward a kiss by building sexual tension. You can accomplish this through various forms of teasing, particularly through a tactic women commonly use called "sending mixed signals." It works.

Check out my thread "Pickup Artist Secrets Revealed!" for more stuff.

Confidence and smooth cool! It's all it takes. It's like when you shoot the ball and you know it's going to be a swish. You'll feel that.... cept it sounds a little different.

perfect ice breaker I agree see where it goes from there.

lets the bodies hit the floor

Rick1980, I'm glad to hear you didn't waste your time with that other woman. You are right, that was a train wreck!

Did you meet this woman online or did you know her from before? Maybe I'm old fashion, but I like to get to know the person before I make any first moves. I don't make moves on the first date and in all honesty, I like to let the woman make the first move most of the time. That doesn't mean you can't flirt with her and use touching as a way to show you are interested.

I like becoming friends before moving to the next level. I've had relationships that started with sex first and they never worked out. I really don't understand this dreaded "friends zone" thing. I have women that are friends and then I have had relationships where we started as friends and moved on from there. If the chemistry is there, you will know it and if it isn't, you will know that as well.

My advice is to ask her out for another date but also spend some time on the phone getting to know her. On the next date, maybe try holding her hand. If that goes well, maybe try a kiss on the cheek at the end of the night. I like a woman who takes her time and if the shoe was on the other foot, I would want the same as well.

Just my two cents for what it is worth.

one, you need to bring her to coffee or something so you too could talk, that movie thing in my opinion shouldn't have been a first date. two, the kiss thing, who knows...I have a girlfriend, we've been together for a month and a half, still waiting for that first kiss.

What the hell you waiting for?? Just bone her already .....oops sorry ....kidding....i dont even remember what dating feels like so good luck!

Oh god... Personally I would not even begin dating a girl for an LTR if I hadn't boned her already.

Well some women are old fashion i think you did right a nice hug for the first date is nice an respectful, you dont always got to kiss some1 on a first date, cause for me kissing is sexual so that something i wouldnt do on the first date, get to know the person first....

I don't have any luck on this site... LMAO I met her on a common interests forum. Well, we have had some issues, but were still seeing each other and I finally got that kiss it only took me 3 dates.. I need to get over being so shy around women...