Topic: Logical proof of Gods existence pt1
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Sat 03/07/20 06:37 PM
The author of Quran makes 2 bold claims which we would go over in the following and then try to see if he manages to prove them true:
1.He has created us and all that surrounds us
2.He has done so that we would, living on earth,develop different characters fitting for predefined jobs on another planet much like earth (explicitly mentioned in Ya-sin 55, Qashia 3)

Now these jobs,much our every day jobs, come with different benefits (heaven) or lack thereof (hell) and it's a characters "wisdom" level that dictates their jobs benefits."wisdom" being the what distinguishes man from beast : the ability to move towards what benefits one and avoid harm without actually seeing one or the other.

Before we move unto proving these claims it's worth noting that should the mentioned claims be true there would be no intervention from any man on the day of judgement,just as an illiterate cannot be employed as a teacher no matter how much anyone of any statues would plea the manager to hire him, the wicked will never enter heaven unless the camel passes the eye of the needle.

Proof:
The claims above are ture should two conditions be met:
1.the existance of things,in a statistical sense,necessarily need an architecture
(To check this on must see if the chance that something has come to be without a designer is almost zero)
2.if the whole of the universe is designed for development of wisdom every part of it, without exception, must be aimed towards that goal and nothing else

In the following we shall divide the world around us into man,sky and earth and check the mentioned conditions for each:

1.man:to check the first condition one must answer the question how statisticaly possible it is for evolution to lead to mankind like us?

As we all know the logic behind evolution is natural selection,meaning if a change makes a being fitter than his kind for survival it is likely that he will live and multiply.thus should there be an easy way of satisfying a vital need,the chance for a being to survive a change forcing unto him a harder alternative is low.
Now there are many such evolutionary changes that has led to mankind:
For one they,as opposed to most mammals,cannot digest one or two types of food to get all they require! A second example would be their inability to naturally cope with temprature changes and need for clothing and housing!
Take note that as these changes occured befor development of humans in the way that is today rendering the argument "men survived bc of their brain" invalid

Tbc pt 2

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Sun 03/08/20 03:55 AM
If anyones intrested in part two msg me so i'll write it here

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Sun 03/08/20 06:17 AM
Go on then, give us part 2.

You've already set your mind on a god without needing to go further :

"the existance of things,in a statistical sense,necessarily need an architecture "

But entertain us with your further explanations.

Physics and chemistry and probability and energy could never do anything on their own.

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Mon 03/09/20 07:38 PM
Edited by tdion on Mon 03/09/20 07:58 PM
The way we proof God existence is trough Biblical Prophecies. There is no other book in the world that can explain the past, present and future.
[Isaiah 42:9] Behold the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

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Tue 03/10/20 08:45 PM

The way we proof God existence is trough Biblical Prophecies. There is no other book in the world that can explain the past, present and future.
[Isaiah 42:9] Behold the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Aleksey, a scientist and astronomy professor at the University of California, answered a question: Why did the universe emerge? He said: We got the Nobel Prizes, 2011, because we discovered that dark energy is what leads to the expansion of the universe and this expansion continues according to the laws of physics, but scientists cannot answer who created these laws nor the question: Why did the universe appear?
The Quran mentioned that: We have made the heavens with Our own hands and We expanded it. Was the Prophet Muhammed, Astronomer with modern devices and spacecraft to prove this in the Quran according to the denial of the existence of God?

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Wed 03/11/20 01:07 PM
Edited by tdion on Wed 03/11/20 01:10 PM


The way we proof God existence is trough Biblical Prophecies. There is no other book in the world that can explain the past, present and future.
[Isaiah 42:9] Behold the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Aleksey, a scientist and astronomy professor at the University of California, answered a question: Why did the universe emerge? He said: We got the Nobel Prizes, 2011, because we discovered that dark energy is what leads to the expansion of the universe and this expansion continues according to the laws of physics, but scientists cannot answer who created these laws nor the question: Why did the universe appear?
The Quran mentioned that: We have made the heavens with Our own hands and We expanded it. Was the Prophet Muhammed, Astronomer with modern devices and spacecraft to prove this in the Quran according to the denial of the existence of God?


God is the 1st scientist and only He can declare the end from the beginning, because he is the creator of all that is natural and has form or is without form. Men can only create in the Microcosm. Mohammed is NOT the way, but Christ is. As I previously mentioned we know that God exist through his prophecies. There are NO prophecies known that came from Mohammed and Gods prophets are men from ONE blood line, which excludes Mohammed, with all respect.

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Thu 03/12/20 11:15 PM
Jesus calls Himself a Man
“Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God.” John 8:39-40.
Jesus had to fight and obey to be saved from sin and death
“Who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.” Hebrews 5:7-9.

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Fri 03/13/20 12:48 AM
I just know that I don't exist, and it doesn't affect me one way or the other if these entities exist or not, but if they do, I wish them to be happy.

There are tremendous powers in the universe, but they wouldn't call themselves "gods" as they don't have need for an ego or books, but most of us that are aware of these energies, call them, "The Powers That Be".


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Mon 03/16/20 02:53 PM

Jesus calls Himself a Man
“Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God.” John 8:39-40.
Jesus had to fight and obey to be saved from sin and death
“Who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.” Hebrews 5:7-9.



Jesus was born from a woman and was a Man. He didn't sin and was perfect Just like Noah and Job. I can't see the point of you writing.

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Tue 03/17/20 08:01 AM

I just know that I don't exist, and it doesn't affect me one way or the other if these entities exist or not, but if they do, I wish them to be happy.

There are tremendous powers in the universe, but they wouldn't call themselves "gods" as they don't have need for an ego or books, but most of us that are aware of these energies, call them, "The Powers That Be".



Of course there are entities but they are under the obedience of their maker. Some are good and others are bad. Their powers come from the LORD and can be creative or destructive, as to the will of him who made them and controls them.

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Sat 03/21/20 06:00 AM
Logical proof of God can be seen everywhere we are logical proof we have a beginning and a end. Everyone as well as. Everything came from something and all the way back to the very first thing that would be God the thing just before the bang. The bible and quran are books in which understanding and moral and values can be derived from. But what people fail to do is leave them alone and take it as is. You can't take what's written and apply. it to today or vise versa and anyone who does is foolish. Any writing must be understood as it is written and nothing more. To apply it as a metaphor or something is possible because it's not taking something out it's context. Now I was on the fence about God prior to 2009 but I can assure you he does exist. I had a asthma attack and died for a unknown length of time. There was no gates no nothing except black and some spirits and God in front talking ( but mouths don't move only hear telepathically) we talked I heard a gong he explained and off I went. The doctor witnessed. my body. jump straight up from the table. like. something fell out the sky and crashed into it. He. was just about to hit me with the paddles on the crash cart as this happened. The logical proof is the big bang the energy mass prior to the bang is God the totality of consciousness which made a choice to give life. Then the bang happened and life was well on its way. Life exists where pure energy is found everything alive is made up of pure energy and is what is the entirity of the universe. It's then surrounded by dark matter. light/dark. good/bad

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Sun 03/22/20 10:08 AM
Edited by tdion on Sun 03/22/20 10:24 AM

Logical proof of God can be seen everywhere we are logical proof we have a beginning and a end. Everyone as well as. Everything came from something and all the way back to the very first thing that would be God the thing just before the bang. The bible and quran are books in which understanding and moral and values can be derived from. But what people fail to do is leave them alone and take it as is. You can't take what's written and apply. it to today or vise versa and anyone who does is foolish. Any writing must be understood as it is written and nothing more. To apply it as a metaphor or something is possible because it's not taking something out it's context. Now I was on the fence about God prior to 2009 but I can assure you he does exist. I had a asthma attack and died for a unknown length of time. There was no gates no nothing except black and some spirits and God in front talking ( but mouths don't move only hear telepathically) we talked I heard a gong he explained and off I went. The doctor witnessed. my body. jump straight up from the table. like. something fell out the sky and crashed into it. He. was just about to hit me with the paddles on the crash cart as this happened. The logical proof is the big bang the energy mass prior to the bang is God the totality of consciousness which made a choice to give life. Then the bang happened and life was well on its way. Life exists where pure energy is found everything alive is made up of pure energy and is what is the entirity of the universe. It's then surrounded by dark matter. light/dark. good/bad


Well, that's quite a big experience you had. I can agree with some of the things which you wrote but not all. I do agree that God exist but If the proof of Gods existence is logical then we can't all perceive God, because we have the ability to rationalize our thoughts but not all of us can think logically. We know for a fact that logical reasoning is not always correct, for instant, we can syllogistically assume that wood floats on water, which would seem logical, based on our understanding of wood, namely how we perceive it. But certain types of woods are heavier than water, and will therefore sink.

Further more their is an ending to our physical body, but the soul will live on until the day of the LORD when we will all be judged by our works. We regenerate every 3 to 4 generations, because new opportunities are given to the soul to move forward to perfection. Whether our souls will live forever will then be justified.

The big bang was taught to us by man. God tells us that he created the world in 6 days and took 1 day rest. Believing in the big bang makes God a liar. Quran is a new religion, has no prophecies and was written to recite from the bible. It actually is a plagiarized version of the holy bible.

We can take what was written yesterday and apply it today, without being foolish! For instant, the holy bible will stand until all that is written therein, has come to pass. It was also written for our learning and is valid even today. It is a historical record, instructional, inspirational and prophetical book, and even a weapon against God's enemy. Those who hate me love death, said the LORD. We can't trust other writings than that which came from the mouth of God. Even today there is an onslaught of biblical writings by modern bible publishers such as Jehovah Witness and NIV and many more.

[Genesis 1:16] And God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

The lesser light is what we experience as darkness and is a lesser form of the greater light, because it is the 2nd of two "great lights". Therefore "both being great" have nothing to do with good and bad, except that we love to use opposites as such, due to witchcraft of our minds.




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Sun 03/22/20 10:31 AM
t d move on a just tell us your an atheist it's ok dude 🗣:innocent:

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Sun 03/22/20 10:33 AM
t d move on and just tell us your an atheist it's ok dude I believe in my higher power,,,🗣 :innocent:

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Sun 03/22/20 10:35 AM
It's all a bit swastika - savaoustika ain't it really

I was watching a youtube video the other day, where an Iman challenged a pastor to show him 1 single line from the bible, where jesus says he is god and to worship him. The pastor couldn't do it, and instead got incredibly salty

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Sun 03/22/20 01:39 PM

It's all a bit swastika - savaoustika ain't it really

I was watching a youtube video the other day, where an Iman challenged a pastor to show him 1 single line from the bible, where jesus says he is god and to worship him. The pastor couldn't do it, and instead got incredibly salty



Indeed it's not in bible. Jesus gave all Glory to his Father to whom he was committed and sent with a mission, too the earth. He was born from a woman and nick named the Son of Man, and would NEVER say that he is God. Also, he taught us how to pray to the Father, and not too him as the son.