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Topic: A gift to Trump and republicans from democrats.
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Thu 08/11/22 06:06 PM
Edited by Bart on Thu 08/11/22 06:11 PM
Here we go again. Another trumped up accusation brought on by political pettiness against a former President. The democrats fear of another Trump presidency is causing them to unveil their morally corrupted souls. Integrity and honesty is just a couple of the human traits they are missing, another is intelligence. This RAID on a former presidents private home is the best campaign gift ever for Republicans. Not to smart when we are 3 months away from a very important election if your a democrat. Biden’s AG says no one is above the law. I guess he forgot about Hillary’s 30,000 emails she destroyed after being told to preserve then. Or the phony dossier bought and paid for by Hillary, no raid on her place. Obama has millions of documents “ for his library” that doesn’t exist . No raid on his house. How about Jim comey taking secret documents home and leaking them. No raid on his house. Pure political hypocrisy implemented by the U.S. Department of Justice and backed by the White House . Is this a last ditch effort to stop Trump or is this the first of many more to come?

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Thu 08/11/22 11:17 PM
Yeah, I'm sure Republicans' feelings are hurt really badly over the news, but Trump had it coming. He took those government records, apparently thinking they belonged to him, just took dozens of boxes to Florida. The government archivist found out and asked for them back, and Trump only returned some of them. Kept others, including Top Secret documents, possibly nuclear secrets, and despite numerous government official requests, Trump never provided anything beyond the first 15 boxes, so the FBI executed a warrant, and now of course Trump's going to squeal like a stuck pig while he's taking 5th Amendment protection in court! Go ahead and cry about Hillary's emails but that investigation closed shortly after Trump took office. Obama's library got their documents through regular document requests, and they're only borrowing the (unclassified) documents in order to digitize them for public access. Notice that Obama didn't just load documents and souvenirs into a moving van.

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Fri 08/12/22 04:19 AM

Yeah, I'm sure Republicans' feelings are hurt really badly over the news, but Trump had it coming. He took those government records, apparently thinking they belonged to him, just took dozens of boxes to Florida. The government archivist found out and asked for them back, and Trump only returned some of them. Kept others, including Top Secret documents, possibly nuclear secrets, and despite numerous government official requests, Trump never provided anything beyond the first 15 boxes, so the FBI executed a warrant, and now of course Trump's going to squeal like a stuck pig while he's taking 5th Amendment protection in court! Go ahead and cry about Hillary's emails but that investigation closed shortly after Trump took office. Obama's library got their documents through regular document requests, and they're only borrowing the (unclassified) documents in order to digitize them for public access. Notice that Obama didn't just load documents and souvenirs into a moving van.

The blatant cover up and deny the truth is common for democrats and your post reinforces that fact. One day soon the tables WILL be turned and than you dems.will be on the receiving end of intense investigations into all the corruption the dems. have gotten by with . But the differance is the charges will not be made up.

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Fri 08/12/22 04:59 AM
Edited by Toodygirl5 on Fri 08/12/22 05:07 AM
Democratic leaders in the white house now are so wicked. They are going to reap what they sow.
Nothing Biden has done since in office has benefited this country USA.

He says, he didn't know IRS planned to do that Raid. He may not because he's just a Puppet for the Far Left radicals.

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Fri 08/12/22 07:22 AM
Ahmein Princess

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Fri 08/12/22 11:13 AM


Yeah, I'm sure Republicans' feelings are hurt really badly over the news, but Trump had it coming. He took those government records, apparently thinking they belonged to him, just took dozens of boxes to Florida. The government archivist found out and asked for them back, and Trump only returned some of them. Kept others, including Top Secret documents, possibly nuclear secrets, and despite numerous government official requests, Trump never provided anything beyond the first 15 boxes, so the FBI executed a warrant, and now of course Trump's going to squeal like a stuck pig while he's taking 5th Amendment protection in court! Go ahead and cry about Hillary's emails but that investigation closed shortly after Trump took office. Obama's library got their documents through regular document requests, and they're only borrowing the (unclassified) documents in order to digitize them for public access. Notice that Obama didn't just load documents and souvenirs into a moving van.

The blatant cover up and deny the truth is common for democrats and your post reinforces that fact. One day soon the tables WILL be turned and than you dems.will be on the receiving end of intense investigations into all the corruption the dems. have gotten by with . But the differance is the charges will not be made up.

We already saw that with the Benghazi "investigation" followed by a half-dozen more Benghazi "investigations" and finally the "investigation" into Hillary's emails. Never any charges. Not even credible allegations. But I have no doubt that when Republicans get back into power, they'll open more "investigations" and if they lead in the House, they'll certainly impeach President Biden, because they have no idea how to fix the nation's problems beyond tax cuts & outlawing abortions.

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Fri 08/12/22 12:19 PM
I find great amusement, watching the dum-o-crats
eat their own.

And, Trump was a lifelong dum-o-crat, until shortly
before his filing to run in the 2016 primaries.

Bart's photo
Fri 08/12/22 12:45 PM



Yeah, I'm sure Republicans' feelings are hurt really badly over the news, but Trump had it coming. He took those government records, apparently thinking they belonged to him, just took dozens of boxes to Florida. The government archivist found out and asked for them back, and Trump only returned some of them. Kept others, including Top Secret documents, possibly nuclear secrets, and despite numerous government official requests, Trump never provided anything beyond the first 15 boxes, so the FBI executed a warrant, and now of course Trump's going to squeal like a stuck pig while he's taking 5th Amendment protection in court! Go ahead and cry about Hillary's emails but that investigation closed shortly after Trump took office. Obama's library got their documents through regular document requests, and they're only borrowing the (unclassified) documents in order to digitize them for public access. Notice that Obama didn't just load documents and souvenirs into a moving van.

The blatant cover up and deny the truth is common for democrats and your post reinforces that fact. One day soon the tables WILL be turned and than you dems.will be on the receiving end of intense investigations into all the corruption the dems. have gotten by with . But the differance is the charges will not be made up.

We already saw that with the Benghazi "investigation" followed by a half-dozen more Benghazi "investigations" and finally the "investigation" into Hillary's emails. Never any charges. Not even credible allegations. But I have no doubt that when Republicans get back into power, they'll open more "investigations" and if they lead in the House, they'll certainly impeach President Biden, because they have no idea how to fix the nation's problems beyond tax cuts & outlawing abortions.
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First off, no chargers were brought because FBI senior Jim Comey took it upon himself to not charge Hillary because he couldn’t see fit to make those charges. Even though he overstepped his title when doing so. The FBI is supposed to report their findings to the attorney general. The AG is supposed to bring the charges, this is how the democrats short cut and go around the rules to get what they want. You say no credible allegations. Lol, how about a laptop with first person criminal acts. That is in the hands of the FBI. How about emails saying how Hillary’s cohorts destroyed 30,000 emails. Two years of wasted time and money investigating the made up Trump / Russia collusion that the FBI knew was made up. Fact: so yes the democrats can all turn their heads and sweep it under the rug. but because of the extreme radical mess Biden and his party has brought upon all of us. If the republicans take over congress in November they should take a page out of the dems playbook and use the most vile and viscous attacks against Biden and the democrats. Impeachment comes to mind . For Biden and a few others. Subpoenas for many more. Credible allegations for doing so… The republicans had the country running like a well tuned engine, creating jobs, and better financial shape for all who wanted to participate. Than covid, than Biden. You know the rest . And here is where we find ourselves now. In a far worse place. Ask any 7 out of 10 people and they will say the same thing.

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Fri 08/12/22 02:12 PM
Edited by Mortman on Fri 08/12/22 02:13 PM

First off, no chargers were brought because FBI senior Jim Comey took it upon himself to not charge Hillary because he couldn’t see fit to make those charges. Even though he overstepped his title when doing so. The FBI is supposed to report their findings to the attorney general. The AG is supposed to bring the charges, this is how the democrats short cut and go around the rules to get what they want. You say no credible allegations. Lol, how about a laptop with first person criminal acts. That is in the hands of the FBI. How about emails saying how Hillary’s cohorts destroyed 30,000 emails. Two years of wasted time and money investigating the made up Trump / Russia collusion that the FBI knew was made up. Fact: so yes the democrats can all turn their heads and sweep it under the rug. but because of the extreme radical mess Biden and his party has brought upon all of us. If the republicans take over congress in November they should take a page out of the dems playbook and use the most vile and viscous attacks against Biden and the democrats. Impeachment comes to mind . For Biden and a few others. Subpoenas for many more. Credible allegations for doing so… The republicans had the country running like a well tuned engine, creating jobs, and better financial shape for all who wanted to participate. Than covid, than Biden. You know the rest . And here is where we find ourselves now. In a far worse place. Ask any 7 out of 10 people and they will say the same thing.

Comey brought no charges because he & the FBI had nothing.

Hunter Biden's laptop has some old emails but it's mostly incomplete and also the edits made it inadmissible for court, even if there was anything criminal on it, and there isn't.

If you call what the Trump Administration was doing a "well tuned engine" I suspect you're on drugs. They were entirely criminal and it's only Trump's corruption and AG Garland's slow work that's held back Trump's prosecution this long.

Bart's photo
Fri 08/12/22 04:35 PM


First off, no chargers were brought because FBI senior Jim Comey took it upon himself to not charge Hillary because he couldn’t see fit to make those charges. Even though he overstepped his title when doing so. The FBI is supposed to report their findings to the attorney general. The AG is supposed to bring the charges, this is how the democrats short cut and go around the rules to get what they want. You say no credible allegations. Lol, how about a laptop with first person criminal acts. That is in the hands of the FBI. How about emails saying how Hillary’s cohorts destroyed 30,000 emails. Two years of wasted time and money investigating the made up Trump / Russia collusion that the FBI knew was made up. Fact: so yes the democrats can all turn their heads and sweep it under the rug. but because of the extreme radical mess Biden and his party has brought upon all of us. If the republicans take over congress in November they should take a page out of the dems playbook and use the most vile and viscous attacks against Biden and the democrats. Impeachment comes to mind . For Biden and a few others. Subpoenas for many more. Credible allegations for doing so… The republicans had the country running like a well tuned engine, creating jobs, and better financial shape for all who wanted to participate. Than covid, than Biden. You know the rest . And here is where we find ourselves now. In a far worse place. Ask any 7 out of 10 people and they will say the same thing.

Comey brought no charges because he & the FBI had nothing.

Hunter Biden's laptop has some old emails but it's mostly incomplete and also the edits made it inadmissible for court, even if there was anything criminal on it, and there isn't.

If you call what the Trump Administration was doing a "well tuned engine" I suspect you're on drugs. They were entirely criminal and it's only Trump's corruption and AG Garland's slow work that's held back Trump's prosecution this long.

I’m not convinced there is anything to this . Like the many other gotchas the Trump haters thought would be the downfall of Trump, this to shall pass. All show since the Jan. 2nd theatrical performance didn’t catch on. Although there was criminal acts concerning Hillary’s case, no reasonable prosecutor would ever bring charges was Jim Comeys words when he decided not to go after Hillary. Clearly a double standard. If you can’t see that than I suspect your in a coma.

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Fri 08/12/22 09:47 PM

I’m not convinced there is anything to this . Like the many other gotchas the Trump haters thought would be the downfall of Trump, this to shall pass. All show since the Jan. 2nd theatrical performance didn’t catch on. Although there was criminal acts concerning Hillary’s case, no reasonable prosecutor would ever bring charges was Jim Comeys words when he decided not to go after Hillary. Clearly a double standard. If you can’t see that than I suspect your in a coma.


You might be right, but this is a pretty clear violation of the Espionage Act. While Republicans insisted that Hillary violated that, she was only found to have parts of some classified documents on her email server, and that server was at least somewhat secure, and importantly, she was never shown to have known that the classified documents were there. In Trump's case, he deliberately took dozens of boxes of documents that he shouldn't have taken in the first place--none of them-- out of the White House, and the search warrant shows that Trump was told by the FBI to return the documents and didn't. That's obstruction, on top of all the other crimes Trump is being investigated for.

If Biden controlled the DOJ like Trump controlled the DOJ, and the DOJ is supposed to be independent of the President, Trump would've been charged when they retrieved the first 15 boxes.

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Sat 08/13/22 05:46 AM


I’m not convinced there is anything to this . Like the many other gotchas the Trump haters thought would be the downfall of Trump, this to shall pass. All show since the Jan. 2nd theatrical performance didn’t catch on. Although there was criminal acts concerning Hillary’s case, no reasonable prosecutor would ever bring charges was Jim Comeys words when he decided not to go after Hillary. Clearly a double standard. If you can’t see that than I suspect your in a coma.


You might be right, but this is a pretty clear violation of the Espionage Act. While Republicans insisted that Hillary violated that, she was only found to have parts of some classified documents on her email server, and that server was at least somewhat secure, and importantly, she was never shown to have known that the classified documents were there. In Trump's case, he deliberately took dozens of boxes of documents that he shouldn't have taken in the first place--none of them-- out of the White House, and the search warrant shows that Trump was told by the FBI to return the documents and didn't. That's obstruction, on top of all the other crimes Trump is being investigated for.

If Biden controlled the DOJ like Trump controlled the DOJ, and the DOJ is supposed to be independent of the President, Trump would've been charged
when they retrieved the first 15 boxes.

Oh I see, so just a little bit of espionage is ok, no problem there huh. Are you serious , not to mention the destruction of government property and her condescending remarks during her deposition. Do you really think she didn’t know that the letter C on those documents stood for classified . How about Hunters lying on his application for a hand gun purchase or paying prostitutes to party with him on his crack binge weekend video he made. All clearly known to the Biden FBI. And still no actions taken. The democrats are band of corrupt individuals that think they ARE above the law. And they put it all in the open for all to see knowing the media and the DOJ will never hold any democrat responsible for their desperate illegal acts.

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Sat 08/13/22 05:46 AM


I’m not convinced there is anything to this . Like the many other gotchas the Trump haters thought would be the downfall of Trump, this to shall pass. All show since the Jan. 2nd theatrical performance didn’t catch on. Although there was criminal acts concerning Hillary’s case, no reasonable prosecutor would ever bring charges was Jim Comeys words when he decided not to go after Hillary. Clearly a double standard. If you can’t see that than I suspect your in a coma.


You might be right, but this is a pretty clear violation of the Espionage Act. While Republicans insisted that Hillary violated that, she was only found to have parts of some classified documents on her email server, and that server was at least somewhat secure, and importantly, she was never shown to have known that the classified documents were there. In Trump's case, he deliberately took dozens of boxes of documents that he shouldn't have taken in the first place--none of them-- out of the White House, and the search warrant shows that Trump was told by the FBI to return the documents and didn't. That's obstruction, on top of all the other crimes Trump is being investigated for.

If Biden controlled the DOJ like Trump controlled the DOJ, and the DOJ is supposed to be independent of the President, Trump would've been charged
when they retrieved the first 15 boxes.

Oh I see, so just a little bit of espionage is ok, no problem there huh. Are you serious , not to mention the destruction of government property and her condescending remarks during her deposition. Do you really think she didn’t know that the letter C on those documents stood for classified . How about Hunters lying on his application for a hand gun purchase or paying prostitutes to party with him on his crack binge weekend video he made. All clearly known to the Biden FBI. And still no actions taken. The democrats are band of corrupt individuals that think they ARE above the law. And they put it all in the open for all to see knowing the media and the DOJ will never hold any democrat responsible for their desperate illegal acts.

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Sat 08/13/22 11:03 PM

Oh I see, so just a little bit of espionage is ok, no problem there huh. Are you serious , not to mention the destruction of government property and her condescending remarks during her deposition. Do you really think she didn’t know that the letter C on those documents stood for classified . How about Hunters lying on his application for a hand gun purchase or paying prostitutes to party with him on his crack binge weekend video he made. All clearly known to the Biden FBI. And still no actions taken. The democrats are band of corrupt individuals that think they ARE above the law. And they put it all in the open for all to see knowing the media and the DOJ will never hold any democrat responsible for their desperate illegal acts.

Repeat all the stuff you heard on Newsmax as much as you like, but the investigation into Hillary's email was already closed. I don't know enough about Hunter's gun permit application to say one way or the other, but those are different subjects. The classified documents found at Mar A Lago, after Trump was told to return them, after taking them when he shouldn't looks like much more of a crime than when investigators found emails not sent by Hillary to find parts of classified documents. I can also share that during my six years as a military intelligence officer, I never simply used "C" to mark documents classified (Maybe that's State Department shorthand).

No, this collection of illegally obtained/held documents at Trump's place is a pretty big deal, and if reports of it containing nuclear secrets is true, then that'll be a lot harder to excuse. Russian media is reporting that Trump already shared them with Putin.
http://www.newsweek.com/moscow-already-studying-top-secret-records-trump-raid-russian-media-1733440

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Sun 08/14/22 06:15 AM


Oh I see, so just a little bit of espionage is ok, no problem there huh. Are you serious , not to mention the destruction of government property and her condescending remarks during her deposition. Do you really think she didn’t know that the letter C on those documents stood for classified . How about Hunters lying on his application for a hand gun purchase or paying prostitutes to party with him on his crack binge weekend video he made. All clearly known to the Biden FBI. And still no actions taken. The democrats are band of corrupt individuals that think they ARE above the law. And they put it all in the open for all to see knowing the media and the DOJ will never hold any democrat responsible for their desperate illegal acts.

Repeat all the stuff you heard on Newsmax as much as you like, but the investigation into Hillary's email was already closed. I don't know enough about Hunter's gun permit application to say one way or the other, but those are different subjects. The classified documents found at Mar A Lago, after Trump was told to return them, after taking them when he shouldn't looks like much more of a crime than when investigators found emails not sent by Hillary to find parts of classified documents. I can also share that during my six years as a military intelligence officer, I never simply used "C" to mark documents classified (Maybe that's State Department shorthand).

No, this collection of illegally obtained/held documents at Trump's place is a pretty big deal, and if reports of it containing nuclear secrets is true, then that'll be a lot harder to excuse. Russian media is reporting that Trump already shared them with Putin.
http://www.newsweek.com/moscow-already-studying-top-secret-records-trump-raid-russian-media-1733440


LMAO, so now Russia :flag_ru: s a trusted spokesman for democrats . That’s rich. Believe those reports spread by your fake news stations, they have been wrong on every one of their anti Trump reports and that continues to this day. It’s reported these documents have already been declassified. If any nuclear documents we’re really involved than why wait three days after the warrant was served to go retrieve them. Apparently the FBI themselves weren’t convinced of these papers being there. This was all a excuse to try to find something to help their Jan. 6 theory to advance. Been there, done that and no one cares or believes in this waste of time.

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Sun 08/14/22 11:15 AM
Edited by Mortman on Sun 08/14/22 11:16 AM

LMAO, so now Russia :flag_ru: s a trusted spokesman for democrats . That’s rich. Believe those reports spread by your fake news stations, they have been wrong on every one of their anti Trump reports and that continues to this day. It’s reported these documents have already been declassified. If any nuclear documents we’re really involved than why wait three days after the warrant was served to go retrieve them. Apparently the FBI themselves weren’t convinced of these papers being there. This was all a excuse to try to find something to help their Jan. 6 theory to advance. Been there, done that and no one cares or believes in this waste of time.

That's not how document declassification works. Those documents have to have paperwork submitted and reviewed and then the newly-declassified document gets marked. I'll bet money Trump never generated any memos for declassifying nuclear secrets.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-classified-records/

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Sun 08/14/22 01:56 PM
Edited by Bart on Sun 08/14/22 02:17 PM
Trump , through his power of executive orders deemed any classified material that leaves the White House is automatically declassified, although Obama created a executive order in 2009 declaring declassification be backed up with forms and other paperwork filed through different agencies. The president can ignore that executive order , and create his own. All perfectly legal. Even if they bring charges of removal and destroying of docs. Past history shows no charges against Hillary for destroying blackberry’s or pelosi for tearing up Trumps state of the union speech even sandy berger only got a fine and probation for shoving multiple sets of confidential documents in his pants and walking out with them. There is no set rules for presidential declassification.

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Mon 08/15/22 06:49 AM
So in Trump's imagination, he can retroactively write new, secret executive orders and declare that anything he took from the White House becomes declassified?

IRL, executive orders have to be published and classified documents have to be declassified through established processes, and that neither involve collecting boxes of the documents and shipping them to Florida. From what I read about the Espionage Act, even if the documents are not classified, but merely protected as information that could harm the country or help adversaries, that breaks the same federal law.

Trump is such an incompetent criminal!

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Mon 08/15/22 09:08 AM
Edited by Unknow on Mon 08/15/22 09:15 AM
Who will decide if there will be a trial, or can the DOJ alone decide whether to convict or not?

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Mon 08/15/22 02:18 PM

Who will decide if there will be a trial, or can the DOJ alone decide whether to convict or not?

Charges have to be filed first, no charges yet. Of course since Trumps lawyers were not allowed to witness the FBIs search they could plant any documents in the stash they wanted. Just like the fake dossier that Hillary paid to have made up. Anything to keep Trump from becoming President, this is their plan.

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