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Topic: SCIENTOLOGY
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Wed 05/28/08 03:57 AM
One famous celebrity involved with Scientology that Scientology does not boast about, talk about, or probably even wants you to know about is Charles Manson, the convicted murderer of Sharon Tate and her friends. Scientology made extensive efforts to hide or destroy Manson's Scientology records. They have continually denied that he was a member, but in the FBI raid on Scientology's headquarters the F.B.I. found abundant Scientology internal intelligence information regarding Manson's involvement with Scientology.

http://www.whale.to/b/manson.html

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Wed 05/28/08 04:02 AM
Scientology played an important part in the lives of Charles Manson and Bruce Davis. There is documented evidence regarding the teachings of Scientology to Manson even while he was incarcerated during the 1950's. It is reported Charles Manson reached the level "Clear" and was rather astute in his adaptation of control and manipulation techniques when dealing with other people. Manson used Scientology to answer questions with Diane Sawyer during the ABC television broadcast. Manson often expressed the concept of living in the "Now" and that term was used to describe the murder of Shorty Shea, when the killers said "It was hard to bring Shorty to Now".

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/manson-link.htm


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Wed 05/28/08 04:21 AM
We, the First Church of Xenu and its many associates, are dedicated to exposing the lies regarding our Dark Lord and Master, Xenu Etrawl. For many years, dissenters from the Dark Lord have claimed that he is a villain, tyrant, and terrorist. However, these statements are false!

Xenu was a benevolent ruler, with only the best interests of the Galactic Confederacy in mind. Seventy-five million years ago, the Confederacy was in an awful state of affairs. Gross overpopulation threatened to destroy the already fragile ecosystems and economies of many planets in the Galactic Confederacy, and Xenu knew that he had to do something. He could stand idly by and watch the planets destroy themselves, or he could take action. Thankfully, our Dark Lord knew what he had to do.

With his Galactic Fleet consisting of millions of space planes, Xenu used an innocent ruse of "income tax inspections" and used the friendly help of pyschiatrists to lure and administer harmless injections to billions of Confederate aliens into his fleet of ships. They were to be the sacraficial lambs for the greater good. They were subsequently frozen and packed into the space planes for removal. This was completely painless for the citizens involved.

Taking our alien lambs to Teegeeack (known as "Earth" to humans) our Dark Lord Xenu ordered his Exalted Renegades to latch the aliens to volcanoes where he quickly and humanely eliminated them. However, Xenu did not take into account the souls of the alien lambs. The souls, called "Thetans" by some, flew free. Xenu knew that they needed to be re-educated to forget about what had transpired, so he ordered the Exalted Renegades to catch the souls in Elecric Ribbons and re-educate them using a 3D Super-Colossal Motion Picture. The souls were given visions of modern worldly religions and then released to the world suffering from a loss of identity.

The re-educated souls flocked together to form clusters and inhabited the few remaining bodies that survived the explosions. These souls have transferred from person to person throughout each individual's life cycle. These clusters of souls are known to some as "Body Thetans," but the true followers of Xenu refer to them merely as "Soul Clusters." Some believe they cause all of the problems of mankind. However, this is not true. Instead, they grant us immense inner power.

But, as many things are, it was not to be. During the mass alien Exodus, Lord Xenu's Exalted Renegades were locked in heated battle with a group of evil disbelievers who addressed themselves as "Loyal Officers." They may have been loyal, but not to Xenu. Rumor has it that the Loyal Officers are trying to reform, but that has mostly been dismissed as nonsense.

The Loyal Officers were defeated once, then retreated to the dark corners of the Confederate territory to regroup and rebuild. With a surprise attack, the Loyal Officers ambushed our merciful Dark Lord. They ruthlessly enslaved him in a force-field mountain prison that is powered by an eternally-charged battery.

We at the First Church of Xenu feel this is a gross injustice. Dark Lord Xenu is falsely imprisioned by a terrorist regime that charges millions of currency units to hear its tale regarding this truth we have told you. They skew our truths. They try to spread lies about our Master, saying he was a tyrant and an evil dictator. These accusations are simply unfounded. Lord Xenu only sought out an answer to the Galactic Confederacy's overpopulation problem. A viable solution.

We, the true aliens of the Confederacy, support our wrongly imprisioned Dark Lord. As we speak our teams, comprised of millions of the best scientific minds that the Confederacy has to offer, are working on a way to disable the force-field to Xenu's cage. The rebirth of our Master is at hand. We will crush all who oppose us. Our number is many, our power is great. Soon the world will know the truth about our Dark Lord and Master.

HAIL XENU!

It's about time someone spoke up for the Dark Lord. Who says that body thetans are a bad thing?

http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-55666.html

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Wed 05/28/08 08:38 PM


i should have known that was a christian dating site.


This is not strictly a Christian dating site. There are many different religions on here. You just have to ignore those who offend you.

no he is right this is a christian dating sitedrinker drinker drinker laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Thu 05/29/08 04:06 PM

smokin WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT ?? smokin


scientology is a splinter sect of Christianity in which the believer believes in the God but dumps the religion... scientology are for the religious that are more acceptable with science explaining religion in which the farther man goes into space or advances with technology the farther the god extends out into space or into other dimensions

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Thu 05/29/08 06:00 PM


smokin WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT ?? smokin


scientology is a splinter sect of Christianity in which the believer believes in the God but dumps the religion... scientology are for the religious that are more acceptable with science explaining religion in which the farther man goes into space or advances with technology the farther the god extends out into space or into other dimensions
flowerforyou Are you sure about that Funches?flowerforyou

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Thu 05/29/08 06:20 PM



smokin WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT ?? smokin


scientology is a splinter sect of Christianity in which the believer believes in the God but dumps the religion... scientology are for the religious that are more acceptable with science explaining religion in which the farther man goes into space or advances with technology the farther the god extends out into space or into other dimensions
flowerforyou Are you sure about that Funches?flowerforyou


Hubbard himself described scientology as being a religion ..he even proclaim it as being 'The Church of Scientology" ..where's there's a church and religion there's a god and since hubbard dictated the philosophy of the religion then scientolgy can be viewed as being a form of Pantheism which is Christianity except with believers that worship an anarchical god

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Thu 05/29/08 06:41 PM




smokin WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT ?? smokin


scientology is a splinter sect of Christianity in which the believer believes in the God but dumps the religion... scientology are for the religious that are more acceptable with science explaining religion in which the farther man goes into space or advances with technology the farther the god extends out into space or into other dimensions
flowerforyou Are you sure about that Funches?flowerforyou


Hubbard himself described scientology as being a religion ..he even proclaim it as being 'The Church of Scientology" ..where's there's a church and religion there's a god and since hubbard dictated the philosophy of the religion then scientolgy can be viewed as being a form of Pantheism which is Christianity except with believers that worship an anarchical god
flowerforyou This is one of the rare times you would be incorrect Funchesflowerforyou

flowerforyou Scientology rejects Jesus Christ flowerforyou

flowerforyou They believe "GOD", the Devil, and Jesus Christ are body Thetansflowerforyou

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Thu 05/29/08 08:26 PM
Edited by wouldee on Thu 05/29/08 08:29 PM
before my Christian life began, one of my homies, aprt of our crew was battling alcohol and crank.

He got throught the alcohol because of Dianetics.

What did I know.

He seemed better.

Then a day came....

He needed work and was out of the loop.
Had been for some time.

The court system favored those that held influence over him and let them take him to an island for a year.

Not Scientology, but bad boys with a refuge.:wink:

He came back to the Bay and I put him to work, let himstay with me.

I told him to save his money and I'd buy the food.

He amassed a pile in a few short months.happy

What did he do?

He started dealing crank and using it again.

Dianetics?

or did I enable him?:wink:

I nipped that in the bud, though.

We are more than even. Oh well.

Anyway, it seemed to help him get his head in a better place but it didn't last. It only made him more uncontrollable and even seemed to encourage his penchant for self destructioin.

Mirror, when you brought up Manson, this came back to me.

He also though Manson was cool.

We were tight when we were kids and that doesn't go away, but he got looney over scientology.

I see the parallel with Manson.

You had to be there, I guess.laugh laugh

peace.

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

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Thu 05/29/08 08:51 PM



The founder of Scientology, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (L. Ron Hubbard, affectionately called “Ron” by Scientologists), was born on March 13, 1911, in Tilden, Nebraska. Hubbard, a popular science fiction writer of the 1930s and 1940s, changed venues midstream by announcing at a New Jersey science fiction convention, “Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wanted to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.” The following year, in May 1950, Hubbard released Dianetics: A Modern Science of Mental Health, which has become entry-level reading for converts to Scientology. Hubbard’s overnight success with Dianetics virtually gave him a new career in writing self-help and religious books. His first book on Scientology was published in 1951, and the Church of Scientology in California was incorporated on February 18, 1954.

Building a global religion of six million adherents (perhaps 200,000 active) in a few decades was no small victory for Mr. Hubbard, whose abilities should not be underestimated. His claim to fame as a writer includes fifteen million published words in science fiction, essays, and articles. He supersedes this with twenty-five million published words for Scientology. Mr. Hubbard’s publishing achievements are notable, but his background upholds very few biblical Christian values, as we will see. He was raised on a small ranch near Helena, Montana, with four hometown churches, but his later cynicism of Christianity betrays his virtually faithless upbringing. His father served a career in the U. S. Navy, which allegedly afforded L. Ron Hubbard frequent travel abroad. He was also one of the youngest Eagle scouts in the history of the Boy Scouts of America. His books often carry a short biographical sketch of his accomplishments, also described in the Scientology Dictionary:

[He traveled] extensively in Asia as a young man. He studied science and mathematics at George Washington University, graduating from Columbian College. He attended Princeton University and Sequoia University. Crippled and blind at the end of the war [World War II], he resumed his studies of philosophy and by his discoveries recovered so fully that he was reclassified in 1949 for full combat duty. It was a matter of medical record that he has been twice pronounced dead and that in 1950 he was given a perfect score on mental and physical fitness reports.

Several competent writers have gathered contradictory evidence of Hubbard’s exaggerated vita and have challenged his claims. None are so thoroughly damaging to his credentials than Russell Miller’s Bare-Faced Messiah: The True Story of L. Ron Hubbard and former Scientologist Bent Corydon’s L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? Miller showed that Hubbard attended high school in America while he was claiming to have been traveling Asia. His medical records showed that he was never crippled, blinded, or wounded in World War II, let alone being pronounced dead twice. Bent Corydon, formerly head of one of the most successful Scientology missions (Riverside, California), has countless court transcripts, affidavits, and firsthand testimonies that lay many of L. Ron Hubbard’s claims to rest.

Hubbard’s academic degrees have come under question since Sequoia University was discovered to be an unrecognized diploma mill located in a two-story house in Los Angeles. It was closed down in 1958 by an act of the California Legislature.

It is true that he attended George Washington University for two years. He was placed on academic probation, as he said, for “some very poor grade sheets.” Although there are times he calls himself a “nuclear physicist,” he failed his only class on molecular and atomic physics. He also spent three months in a military course at the Princeton School of Military Government. Nothing has yet surfaced to confirm his alleged degree from Columbian College.

The success of Hubbard’s writing skills cannot be argued. The manuscript for Dianetics (180,000 words) was supposedly completed in three weeks’ time. Those who knew him said that he could type ninety words per minute with the old two-finger method. He had an altered typewriter with special keys for often used words, such as “and,” “the,” and “but.” His personal qualifications as a religious leader were everything but saintly. His first two marriages were disastrous. His second wife, Sara Northrup Hubbard, sued him for divorce on April 23, 1951, in Los Angeles County Superior Court. The microfilm copy of that case mysteriously vanished from the court records. However, an industrious St. Petersburg Times newspaper reporter found the original in storage at the courthouse. It was a twenty-eight page complaint to dissolve their Chestertown, Maryland, marriage of August 10, 1946. This was a bigamous marriage for Mr. Hubbard. He pretended to be a bachelor to Miss Northrup, yet he had not divorced his first wife, Margaret Grubb Hubbard. His first marriage was not legally dissolved until over one year after his second marriage. His second wife’s 1951 divorce allegations contained more than bigamy charges. She claimed sleep deprivation, beatings, strangulation, kidnapping of their child and fleeing to Cuba, and Ron counseling her to commit suicide, “if she really loved him.” The kidnapping was reported in several newspapers in 1951.

Sara Northrup had first met Hubbard through a Pasadena-based occult group led by Jack Parsons, a disciple of the late Alister Crowley, whose alias was “The Beast 666.” Crowley was a leading Satanist, sorcerer, and black magician. He founded the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), which promoted sexual magick. At its New York headquarters, the group’s historical records include letters between Parsons and Crowley that mention Hubbard several times. Northrup was Parsons’s girlfriend when they both met L. Ron Hubbard. As Parsons’s partner, she represented the Babylonian woman in Revelation, chapter 17, in the New Testament. Before she could fulfill Parsons’s plan, Hubbard swept her away in an out-of-state bigamous marriage (representing himself as a bachelor the entire time). In Parsons’s letters he blamed Hubbard for taking her from him.

Scientology defends Hubbard’s connection to the Parsons black magick cult by stating that he went undercover to infiltrate it on orders of the Naval Intelligence. Supposedly, several prominent scientists were visiting Parsons’s OTO temple, and Ron’s job was to shut it down. Jack (John Whiteside) Parsons was a noted rocket scientist, but the explanation presented by Hubbard seems far-fetched. It lacks rationalization for why an undercover agent would soil the operation with a bigamous marriage. No record has ever been produced to prove that Naval Intelligence hired Hubbard for such an operation.

Hubbard’s working knowledge of black magic and the occult satisfied Parsons. In one letter he wrote to Crowley he speaks highly of Ron’s knowledge of the rituals. The Bible, however, condemns occult practices as abominable, and God says that He will cut off the participants from His presence (Deuteronomy 18:9–12).

The resources claimed by Hubbard for Dianetics include,
“the medicine man of the Goldi people of Manchuria, the shamans of North Borneo, Sioux medicine men, the cults of Los Angeles, and modern psychology. Among the people questioned about its existence were a magician whose ancestors served in the court of Kublai Khan and a Hindu who could hypnotize cats. Dabbles had been made in mysticism, data had been studied from mythology to spiritualism.”

Hubbard’s third marriage, to Mary Sue Whipp, lasted the rest of his lifetime. She captivated worldwide attention, in 1977, as the mastermind behind a sinister covert operation against various levels of the United States government that could rival a spy novel. Hubbard was living in California at the time, but his impenetrable shield prevented direct connection with the illegal activities.

Hubbard spent his final years in seclusion from the public eye. Top Scientologists isolated him from most family and church members until his death in Creston, California (a small town north of San Luis Obispo). According to a copy of his death certificate, he succumbed to a cerebral vascular accident (stroke) on January 24, 1986. In their refusal to believe that such a great “science of the mind” master could die a horrific death, the word “dead” or “died” was never used at his eulogy. Scientologists announced that L. Ron Hubbard decisively “discarded the body” to move onto the next level of research, outside his body. How this new research would become available to planet earth is left unsaid. Hubbard himself apparently encouraged an examination of his belief system such as that undertaken in this volume. The seventh article of the Creed of Scientology states, “All men have the inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely on their own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinion of others.” If they hold faithful to their creed, they should expect counter writings. With this, we counter the opinions of L. Ron Hubbard.

Scientology’s Jesus

When L. Ron Hubbard mentions Jesus Christ, it is rarely in reverence and mostly with disparagement. A few lines previously, we saw that Mr. Hubbard refused to believe in the Christian Christ. Implants are false concepts forced upon a Thetan, and Scientology chalks up “Christ” as an implant more than a million years ago. He wrote, “You will find the Christ legend as an implant in pre-clears a million years ago.”

Mr. Hubbard casts doubt upon the uniqueness of Jesus as the Messiah. His Phoenix Lectures state, “Now the Hebrew definition of Messiah is one Who Brings Wisdom—a Teacher. Messiah is from ‘messenger’. Now here we have a great teacher in Moses. We have other Messiahs, and we then arrive with Christ, and the words of Christ were a lesson in compassion and they set a very fine example to the Western world.” It does not take a great deal of biblical knowledge to refute Hubbard here, for many young students in Christian churches are aware that the Hebrew definition for Messiah is “anointed.” It does not come from “messenger,” but from “to rub” or “anoint.” Hubbard proves his ignorance of Hebrew and Christian terminology, which may suggest his disdain toward what he never understood.

The Church of Scientology teaches that Jesus Christ may have believed in reincarnation: “There is much speculation on the part of religious historians as to the early education of Jesus of Nazareth. It is believed by many authorities that Jesus was a member of the cult of the Essenes, who believed in reincarnation. ” Hubbard attributes Hindu teachings to Jesus. “Christ,” he wrote, “was a bringer of information. He never announced his sources. He spoke of them as coming from God. But they might just as well have come from the god talked about in the Hymn to the Dawn Child the Veda.” Hubbard looks down upon Jesus from his OT VIII position, claiming, “Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were OT, according to the evidence. They were just a shade above clear.”

Let us remember that the apostle Peter dealt with Hubbardian theories long ago. Peter, denying any mythology or legend to Christ, said, “We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty” (2 Peter 1:16). Jesus also denied anyone could be the Messiah other than himself (Matthew 24:3–5, 11). He unashamedly said, “No man cometh unto the Father, but by me” (John 14:6). Luke settles the idea of multiple ways of salvation in Acts 4:12, “For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

Jesus was not a man looking for salvation with the rest of humanity. He was sinless (John 8:46; 1 Peter 2:22) and had no need to be “a shade above clear.” He fully announced His sources (Luke 24:44), which have nothing to do with the Essenes nor the Vedas. In the Bible He is seen as an eternal, active person (Micah 5:2) who is one with the Father (John 10:30) and the second person of the Trinity (Matthew 28:19).

Scientology’s Salvation

Scientologists prefer to use the term “rebirth” instead of “reincarnation,” although reincarnation is found in their writings. Hubbard emphasized that salvation is to be free from the endless cycle of birth and rebirth. The way to salvation is to erase engrams through auditing. The proof to many Scientologists that they release engrams through auditing is the accompanying sign. “When one releases an engram,” Hubbard wrote, “the erasure is accompanied by yawns, tears, sweat, odor, panting, urine, vomiting, and excreta.”

Scientology’s view of reincarnation includes extraterrestrial life, evolution on other planets, evolution on earth, implant stations, forgetter implants, and engrams that keep people trapped in reincarnation. The OT III, section three, material was entered into court cases, from which we find Hubbard’s journey of the Thetan. He claims this discovery was in December 1967:

The head of the Galactic Confederation (76 planets 95,000,000 years ago) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet) by mass implanting. He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-bomb on the principal volcanoes and then the Pacific area ones were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic ones to Las Palmas and there “packaged.” His name was Xenu.

[The result of Hubbard’s investigation into this formerly undiscovered data was that] one’s body is a mass of individual Thetans stuck to oneself or to the body. Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error by [a] BODY THETAN is meant a Thetan who is stuck to another Thetan or body but is not in control. A CLUSTER is a group of body Thetans crushed or held together by some mutual bad experience.

Scientologists thought they only needed to clear their Thetan, but now Hubbard tells them they have body Thetans and clusters to be rid of. This keeps them bound to the church for longer periods trying to achieve salvation.

Hubbard tells them that some of these body Thetans have been asleep on their Thetan for seventy-five million years. Ridding it makes the body Thetan as sort of a cleared being. Hubbard also believes he went back four quadrillion years ago (give or take a few years).

These incarnations and reincarnations are the supposed dilemma of the Scientologist. Reincarnation is answered in Hebrews 9:27: “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” Biblically, we live and die once. We have no preexistence in other bodies and we did not come from outer space. Jesus denied preexistent souls for people. “Ye are from beneath; I am from above: you are of this world; I am not of this world” (John 8:23). We find that reincarnation does not fit into God’s plan of salvation. Jesus’ death upon the cross would be unnecessary if reincarnation were true. Nevertheless, we find that Jesus was foreordained as the “Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Revelation 13:8). Jesus’ sermons on heaven and hell would be a lie if reincarnation were true. But we find that Jesus always spoke the truth (Hebrews 4:15). Jesus’ bodily resurrection from the tomb refutes reincarnation, since He resurrected to the same body (John 20:27). “He showed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Acts 1:3; see also 1 Corinthians 15:1–8). The resurrection of Jesus is proof that His grace will save us who place our trust in Him for our salvation. Every Christian has what every Scientologist is looking for—that is, salvation.


Scientology’s Theology

Scientology speaks of a Supreme Being, God, and gods, without telling its members in which, if any, to believe. In The Scientology Catechism, it says, “What is the Scientology concept of God? We have no dogma in Scientology and each person’s concept is different. Each person attains his own certainty as to who God is and exactly what God means to him. The author of the universe exists. How this is symbolized is dictated by your early training and conscience.” Pages 197–220 contain the entire printed version of The Scientology Catechism. They further teach, “although the existence of the Supreme Being is affirmed in Scientology, His precise nature is not delineated, since the Church holds that each person must seek and know the Divine Nature in and for himself.” They address God in the monotheistic sense in many places, yet Hubbard also speaks of the activity of gods elsewhere. Their Articles of Incorporation (2.h) states, “Believing that Man’s best evidence of God is the God he finds within himself the Church of Scientology is formed to espouse such evidence of the Supreme Being and Spirit as may be knowable to Men.” Hubbard, then, finds no contradiction in promulgating polytheism. In his Phoenix Lectures, he indiscriminately allowed for monotheism or polytheism: “Let us take up what amounts to probably ten thousand years of study on the part of Man, on the identity of God or gods. ” He also exposes false gods commingled with true gods. “There are gods above all other gods,” he wrote. “There is not argument here against the existence of a Supreme Being or any devaluation intended. It is that amongst the gods, there are many false gods elected to power and position. There are gods above other gods, and gods beyond the gods of the universes.” Furthermore, he wrote a hymn stating, “There can be love for Gods.” And, “Behave[,] Obey[,] Be Courteous[,] To gods[,] Lord Buddha[,] And myself[,] And to your leaders ”

Their book on world religion leaves little doubt that the Hindu Brahman is closely paralleled with Scientology’s understanding of the Supreme Being. God is spoken of in terms of Hinduism. Though Hubbard provides no strict definition of the Supreme Being, his descriptive characteristics are enough for the Christian reader to see its unbiblical nature. Hubbard rejects the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. His Phoenix Lectures state, “The Christian god is actually much better characterized in the Vedic Hymns [Hinduism] than in any subsequent publication, including the Old Testament.” Again, he said, “The god the Christians worshipped is certainly not the Hebrew god. He looks much more like the one talked about in the Veda.” What he mistakenly assumed is that the Hindu “triad” is the basis for the Christian “Trinity.” This is not historical or biblical. The Trinity is based solely upon the revelation of God’s Word, as noted in chapter 5, page 101. Hubbard also wrote, “For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God, and Christ. I have never said I didn’t disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al.”
Scientologists are taught by Hubbard that man is part God and can attain a “godlike” nature. He wrote, “A pre-clear is a precise thing, part animal, part pictures, and part God.” In Hubbard’s evolutionary development of Homo sapiens, he teaches that man will evolve into “,” described as “very high and godlike.”

Scripture denies the possibility of other gods besides the true God. There is but one God (Deuteronomy 4:39; 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:8; Mark 12:32; Ephesians 4:6; 1 Timothy 2:5; and James 2:19).

The Bible always presents a sharp distinction between God and man. Scripture reminds us in Numbers 23:19, “God is not a man, that he should lie.” Hosea 11:9 says, “I am God, and not man, the Holy One in the midst of thee.” A study of God’s omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience truncates the words of Hubbard (1 Samuel 2:3; 1 Kings 8:27; Job 42:2; Jeremiah 23:24; 32:17; Romans 11:33).




It is what it is.......I think alot of the thought processes and way to think are all that are anything within this cult....yes imo it is.....You can however believe as you wish.

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Thu 05/29/08 08:56 PM

before my Christian life began, one of my homies, aprt of our crew was battling alcohol and crank.

He got throught the alcohol because of Dianetics.

What did I know.

He seemed better.

Then a day came....

He needed work and was out of the loop.
Had been for some time.

The court system favored those that held influence over him and let them take him to an island for a year.

Not Scientology, but bad boys with a refuge.:wink:

He came back to the Bay and I put him to work, let himstay with me.

I told him to save his money and I'd buy the food.

He amassed a pile in a few short months.happy

What did he do?

He started dealing crank and using it again.

Dianetics?

or did I enable him?:wink:

I nipped that in the bud, though.

We are more than even. Oh well.

Anyway, it seemed to help him get his head in a better place but it didn't last. It only made him more uncontrollable and even seemed to encourage his penchant for self destructioin.

Mirror, when you brought up Manson, this came back to me.

He also though Manson was cool.

We were tight when we were kids and that doesn't go away, but he got looney over scientology.

I see the parallel with Manson.

You had to be there, I guess.laugh laugh

peace.

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile
flowerforyou understoodflowerforyou

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Thu 05/29/08 09:02 PM
I love love love the jester......It was love at first site...and I didn't even need to match myself with him...gigglesnort....

smooched smooched smooched smooched

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Thu 05/29/08 10:28 PM

I love love love the jester......It was love at first site...and I didn't even need to match myself with him...gigglesnort....

smooched smooched smooched smooched
:wink: Compliments will get you everywhere with me:tongue:

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smokin WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT ?? smokin


scientology is a splinter sect of Christianity in which the believer believes in the God but dumps the religion... scientology are for the religious that are more acceptable with science explaining religion in which the farther man goes into space or advances with technology the farther the god extends out into space or into other dimensions
flowerforyou Are you sure about that Funches?flowerforyou


Hubbard himself described scientology as being a religion ..he even proclaim it as being 'The Church of Scientology" ..where's there's a church and religion there's a god and since hubbard dictated the philosophy of the religion then scientolgy can be viewed as being a form of Pantheism which is Christianity except with believers that worship an anarchical god
flowerforyou This is one of the rare times you would be incorrect Funchesflowerforyou

flowerforyou Scientology rejects Jesus Christ flowerforyou

flowerforyou They believe "GOD", the Devil, and Jesus Christ are body Thetansflowerforyou


doesn't Panthism rejects Jesus Christ and just like scientology neither religion worship any rules set forth by a spiritual God but instead worship a philosophy created by theirselves and therefore place theirselves into the role of God and that role started with Christianity that began to reject the spiritual Hebrew God and create one of human flesh called Jesus...

and all three of these religions..scientology, patheism and Christianity all have the philosophy that Man is God ... Pantheists claim they are God ...Hubbard took the role of God by dictating the philosophy of scientology and Christianity has now proclaim that a human named Jesus Christ is God

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Fri 05/30/08 06:17 AM
Hubbard also wrote, “For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God, and Christ. I have never said I didn’t disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al.”Scientologists are taught by Hubbard that man is part God and can attain a “godlike” nature. He wrote, “A pre-clear is a precise thing, part animal, part pictures, and part God.”

He was a wack job..

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Fri 05/30/08 06:22 AM
For Lee






http://home.snafu.de/tilman/faq-you/celeb.txt

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Fri 05/30/08 08:02 AM

Hubbard also wrote, “For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God, and Christ. I have never said I didn’t disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al.”Scientologists are taught by Hubbard that man is part God and can attain a “godlike” nature. He wrote, “A pre-clear is a precise thing, part animal, part pictures, and part God.”


Hubbard when it came to religion was in a similar mind frame as Einstein and had similar view points about religion as a lot of intellectuals have...their intelligence forbid them to follow the laws of organized religion but their upbringing forbids them not to believe in a God .. so to compensate they would turn Panthists and start making up their own philosophy in which to live by...Hubbard went scientologist and Einstein went Pacifist which both are religions but since neither consist of laws set forth by a spiritual god were therefore considered to be philosophies


He was a wack job..


..er..who isn't?

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Sat 05/31/08 08:59 AM


I love love love the jester......It was love at first site...and I didn't even need to match myself with him...gigglesnort....

smooched smooched smooched smooched
:wink: Compliments will get you everywhere with me:tongue:



awwwww ok then.......

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Sat 05/31/08 09:00 AM


Hubbard also wrote, “For a long while, some people have been cross with me for my lack of cooperation in believing in a Christian Heaven, God, and Christ. I have never said I didn’t disbelieve in a Big Thetan but there was certainly something very corny about Heaven et al.”Scientologists are taught by Hubbard that man is part God and can attain a “godlike” nature. He wrote, “A pre-clear is a precise thing, part animal, part pictures, and part God.”


Hubbard when it came to religion was in a similar mind frame as Einstein and had similar view points about religion as a lot of intellectuals have...their intelligence forbid them to follow the laws of organized religion but their upbringing forbids them not to believe in a God .. so to compensate they would turn Panthists and start making up their own philosophy in which to live by...Hubbard went scientologist and Einstein went Pacifist which both are religions but since neither consist of laws set forth by a spiritual god were therefore considered to be philosophies


He was a wack job..


..er..who isn't?



awww funch your not a wack job......your the most sane people on these forums.....gigglesnort....How are ya sweets?

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Sat 05/31/08 09:08 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 05/31/08 09:09 AM
Pantheism is not a religion.

Pantheist don't claim to "be God" as most people conceive God.

Pantheist just claim to exist and that everything is connected.

If you want to call that "God," okay by me.

I don't know why so many people are hung up on the "God" thing.huh

I exist, that I can prove. drinker


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