Topic: Girl Dies As Family Prays Instead Of Seeking Medical Help
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Sat 03/29/08 03:15 PM
with the info given here i would almost acquit but them not being a member of a faith healing based religion makes it possible but not probable i would convict if on the jury

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Sat 03/29/08 03:16 PM


The Government has acknowleged the existance of God????? noway

bigsmile Link please.


those links are exchanged everyday and printed on all the U.S. currency and that is how the government has acknowledge the existence of God and even saids that it trust God ..

so if the government encourage this trust in God then why shouldn't the parents



Yes, I posted that too hastily. I imediately thought of the Declaration, & should have remembered the dollar. I am not as sharp on my debating skills as I once was, & the brain is a bit slower than 20 years ago. I do have an open mind however & enjoy this type of discussion. I am sorry that it started over such a tragic incedent.

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Sat 03/29/08 03:18 PM

The article says that the father started CPR & they called 911 but not until after she stopped breathing. Does this show that they did not really believe in lack of interferce with God's will? I would argue that it does if I was on a jury.


it shouldn't make a difference if the doctor was a skilled surgeon ..the government has acknowledge that the parents have a right to practice their religion ..

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Sat 03/29/08 03:21 PM
this weakens their freedom of religion argument

""""The family does not belong to an organized religion or faith,""""

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Sat 03/29/08 03:22 PM
adj4u Would belonging to a church make thier belief more or less valid? I think not. It may give more witnesses to what they have said in the past about thier beliefs, but If I were to accept the idea that belief in faith healing was a valid argument I would not put that stipulation on it. Belief is personal & very hard to prove or disprove.

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Sat 03/29/08 03:24 PM
Funches at what point do you draw the line? What about the forced marriage/polagimist cases?

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Sat 03/29/08 03:26 PM
in the eye of the court

they should stand the scrutiny of the doubt of their belief

and if they can not hold up to said scrutiny then their argument is void

anyone can say religion after the fact as a defense

but that does not make the defense valid

i said it weakens their defense not takes it away

read my first post on this page

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Sat 03/29/08 03:26 PM


The article says that the father started CPR & they called 911 but not until after she stopped breathing. Does this show that they did not really believe in lack of interferce with God's will? I would argue that it does if I was on a jury.


it shouldn't make a difference if the doctor was a skilled surgeon ..the government has acknowledge that the parents have a right to practice their religion ..


The point of this post was that they believed UP TO A POINT then they started to intervene, but it was too late. This questions thier faith in my mind.

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Sat 03/29/08 03:28 PM

Funches at what point do you draw the line? What about the forced marriage/polagimist cases?


forced marriage leads to rape if they do not consent
and if to much older then it is rape reguardless till age 18 at
such time they can make their own decisions

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Sat 03/29/08 03:30 PM



The article says that the father started CPR & they called 911 but not until after she stopped breathing. Does this show that they did not really believe in lack of interferce with God's will? I would argue that it does if I was on a jury.


it shouldn't make a difference if the doctor was a skilled surgeon ..the government has acknowledge that the parents have a right to practice their religion ..


The point of this post was that they believed UP TO A POINT then they started to intervene, but it was too late. This questions thier faith in my mind.


do you remember the line ""why has tho forsaken me""

faith is shaken regularly evn by a savior on occasion

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Sat 03/29/08 03:30 PM

The Government has acknowleged the existance of God????? noway

bigsmile Link please.


Well, you could always start with the Declaration of Independence.

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Sat 03/29/08 03:31 PM
Dosn't a parent have the responsability for a childs health until age 18 also?

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Sat 03/29/08 03:32 PM


The Government has acknowleged the existance of God????? noway

bigsmile Link please.


Well, you could always start with the Declaration of Independence.


you could read the thread bigsmile

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Sat 03/29/08 03:32 PM


The Government has acknowleged the existance of God????? noway

bigsmile Link please.


Well, you could always start with the Declaration of Independence.


yes Elijay as soon as I posted that! keep reading to find me eating crow...embarassed

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Sat 03/29/08 03:33 PM

Dosn't a parent have the responsability for a childs health until age 18 also?


and who is to say what type of health care is proper

after all they only PRACTICE MEDICINE

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Sat 03/29/08 03:33 PM




The article says that the father started CPR & they called 911 but not until after she stopped breathing. Does this show that they did not really believe in lack of interferce with God's will? I would argue that it does if I was on a jury.


it shouldn't make a difference if the doctor was a skilled surgeon ..the government has acknowledge that the parents have a right to practice their religion ..


The point of this post was that they believed UP TO A POINT then they started to intervene, but it was too late. This questions thier faith in my mind.


do you remember the line ""why has tho forsaken me""

faith is shaken regularly evn by a savior on occasion


yes I do remember

You have excellent debate skills Sir! flowerforyou

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Sat 03/29/08 03:36 PM
Edited by adj4u on Sat 03/29/08 03:37 PM
well thank you

its a gift and a curse (in best monk voice)

and by the way yours are nothing to baaawwwkk at :wink: bigsmile

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Sat 03/29/08 03:38 PM


Dosn't a parent have the responsability for a childs health until age 18 also?


and who is to say what type of health care is proper

after all they only PRACTICE MEDICINE


I always say that also!laugh

I would think that they would try everything humanly possable, & dosn't Christianity also expect some type of personal responsabiliy? The father at least had to be somewaht intelligent & educated to be a police officer, also trained in first aid.

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Sat 03/29/08 03:40 PM
Nice of you to say so, but I am very, very rusty. I am mostly lurking in these types of thread to gain confidence before making a fool of myself, but this one really got to me. I had to dig it up & then felt I could not just watch.

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Sat 03/29/08 03:42 PM
Edited by adj4u on Sat 03/29/08 03:43 PM
but if you recall abraham was sent into the wilderness to offer a sacrifice unto god and the only one that he had was issac until god provided another

there are many ways this can play out but i am doubtful of their belief but it is better 10 guilty go free than one innocent be punished