Guys if they find the same thing and insight from the ladies. Since I started dating I have found that expectation"s are so high in regards to money. I have a good Job working for the state, but it's not the income I use to make in sales. I pay for dates and I have some time to spend with a significant other. But I am a single dad and I have three children. I find women that either have no job or women that expect you to be rolling in dough. Personally i would rather date a girl that's broke than one that is expecting too much! Wish I could find the balance!

I would say to know your limitations BEFORE going anywhere. I really try to make a first meet/date dutch. Because I dont want to feel indebted to anyone that doesnt even know me.

Money is tight all around these days. I personally find it to be a good thing, because it provides opportunity to be creative.

As far as the women you are meeting. I think we all find extremes. WAY HOT to Hideously UGLY. Too busy, to too far up your arse. Too close too far. That is the trick about finding someone special...we all arent made for eachother. Just keep on truckin' and hopeful we will each find someone special and not have to go to bed alone...lol

Welcome to the club! I noticed that some women do not watch the news, read the paper, or have any kind of touch with reallity. The world has changed and they didn't notice.....
I agree with you I rather find a woman that is broke than one that expects too much.

I do not expect to go dutch everytime (altough that was the way to go in the country I came from) But expecting for a guy to go out every weekend to eat, movies drinks and or whatever sometimes saturday and sunday is for most guys unsustainable, and unreallistic.

I have met some few guys that were at the verge of bankruptcy because of that.

If the guy kind of complains or pretends for the lady to invite sometimes, we are cheap, as they say. However I do not believe we are cheap but instead we try to balance entertainmet with creating some safety for the future, maybe, to share that safety with you girls, if you are the one!

..the way i look at it is ..if they don't like me for who i am and what i'm about..then it's their loss...i won't lose any sleep over it...

There are really cool things to do
Go to a local park
Go to a museum
Go to a festival (no entrance fee)
Go to a bookstore and then go for great coffee
Go to a music store and then coffee
Make your own dinner and have nice wine, much cheaper than restaurants
This list can go on and on, I suggest activities like this so not to break someone's budget in this economy

In order to be able to buy a set of scales
you might try the following:
Raffle tickets to see your smartass :-)
I would buy a few.
To help mankind.

And being broke means only that you have more
time to spend..taking with someone.
Without distractions.
Like muscle-bound pictures :-)

When you have the time, you ain't got the money. When you have the money, you ain't got the time.

Or so it seems.

Myself I have no problem with the dutch thing and have done it many times. For many times many of the men think just because they are paying they should get and added treat as well. Got news for them if ya ask someone out you should pay do I follow those rules naw I will either pay for mine or at least offer or leave the tip if they insist on paying. Where we go is not that important to me for I would rather go to a smaller restaurant or one that is reasonable in price range.

To me if your going to impress someone wait and do it later when you really want to be with that person not in the beginning for if you do it is your fault you accustom someone to that life style then all of a sudden start complaining that it cost too much....

So start off being real in the first place and it want come back to bite ya in the azz later down the road.....

well,ima thinkin' ifn i take them to Mcdonald's and they order like the big mac and fries and supersize it,ima thinkin' there'll be a little "cherry pie" dessert,if not the next time i take them out it'll be a happy meal and i'll keep the little toy surprise,but then also ifn' there is a little "cherry pie" ..then the next time i'm treatin' them to burger king baby..what more could a woman want... jk

If you are dating those women, you are choosing to do so.

If someone doesn't have a job, they have no business dating imo. Priorities! First you get a job, then you will have the LUXURY of dating. Horny? Use your hand...I would say hire a hooker, but if you can't afford to date, you can't afford a hooker.

Finding a job today is like winning a lottery. In your idea, the only people who should fall in love are the lottery winners. Dating and love has zero to do with income (ok, exception USA), otherwise 3rd world countries already would have gone extinct.

LOL! Well said, Atlantis.

That's both sides, though. I've seen it at my end, and heck, I'm not rolling the dough. I've also met guys who couldn't imagine freebie stuff like the park to meet up.

And then there was the guy that was 300 lbs, had no front teeth, or a job, and wanted me to teach him how to farm. WTF?! Shudders. And gosh, but his pic didn't appear that way!

I am a woman wh has a very high income

so I never ask

or really think about how much he has or makes

it did make meeting and dating men sooo much easier

Oh here we go. Winning the lottery? Hardly. There are plenty of jobs, it's just people don't want to work for minimum wage. Yes and I do believe get your finances straightened out before you post your azz on a website looking for love. This is why the mass majority of people don't think. Rather be out screwing around instead of getting their priorities straight. Same thing if you don't have the finances, don't have kids. I suppose when a homeless person dates they bring them back to their cardboard box or the shelter or whomever's couch they are sleeping on. Fabulous and ideal.

And yes dating does have to do with income BECAUSE the guys with the least amount of gold are the first ones to cry GOLD DIGGER if they pay for a cup of coffee at a meet and greet and not get a bj in the parking lot.

AND check out the number one reason for divorce...it's money problems. So don't go getting all pc that everyone should be dating or find love. Straighten out your life, then go date. Okay, thanks for playing.

its the same situation even during times of economic prosperity..they will always expect more -- financially speaking.and usually the more attractive she is, the more she will expect...supply/demand..however, on occasion, if your a real piece of work, she may like you for reasons excluding money..but this is very very rare...example; my friend, she's dating several guys...all of them are normal guys..some have more money than others..and she usually spends more time with the guys that spend more on her; however, there is one guy that doesn't spend anything on her, in fact, its just the reverse, she spends on him...but unlike the other guys, he's a real piece of work...

roko

Homeless people need love just as much as you do, and it doesn't matter to them or their 'date' where they end up. You have quite the ideal world to live in, thankfully, the rest of us follow our heart and are happy. Sure we all would love to meet someone whose rolling in money...but this is a free dating site... which means we're here for something. All walks and income are here, to say you wouldn't meet up with someone who doesn't have a income at this moment, down on their luck, or doesn't make enough is kinda living in a box. I've met people who've dated and moved in with homeless people and they've struck gold.

I am sorry for people who are struggleing in today's economy. Has it been fair that some end up with squat for years of service? No. Somewhere along the line you have to just suck it up and accept where you are and move on.

But I do not agree that haveing a job is like winning the lottery. Maybe a great job with tons of perks are hard to find but wake up and smell the coffee. Great jobs go to people who have marketable skills and a good attitude.

Work is work. Not glamourous or even pleasant for most of people in the real world. Often you have to take what you can find. And sometimes it even requires having two jobs. Or a job that is dangerous, has crummy hours, or is just plain boreing or nasty dirty work.

I certainly have been there and done that so boo hoo for the whiners and complainers who think they are too smart to do any thing but shame themselves collecting unemployment or living off others.

Any guy I am going to consider going out with is going to have a job (if there is not a clear cut medical reason that he can not work) or he has acquired enough assets that they can afford to live without public assistance, criminal activity, or mooching off of others. Inherited wealth does not impress me at all. That definitely stands for any guy who pays a pitance toward the support of their children so he can move forward to a comfortable lifestyle especially with another woman with children.

It would be a hard sell indeed for me to think that average guy could afford to support two families; even modestly. Sorry most guys paying child support can barely afford to do anything but to live with their parents or several room-mates. I really don't feel like I want to spend the rest of my life always being second in line to the first family and I don't want to give up my freedom for a spouse that can barely support himself. That never appealed to me.

And it certainly appealed to me even less when I had children of my own to support. Was it fair that I would not date guys with kids? Yes because I know my limits and it is ridiculous to drag any child into a situation where they can not get the the attention and support from both parents they deserve. If I could have had delt with more than what I had I would have continued to adopt way before now.

As far as paying for dates my feeling is that if a man can not afford a reasonable amount to date then he probably can't afford a relationship. When you connect with a partner there is always the possibility that you are going to have to support that person in one way or another. Women are gaining parity in the work place but the gap in pay is still lopsided and most women will have to work twice as much as a man to support a dependent husband. Hardly a fair trade. So a guy who can not demonstrate he can manage is probably not going to be seen a very viable.

Does that mean a guy has to cut a vien and hemmorage money to date?
No way. I would be much more impressed by a man who can live with in his means and demonstrate he is fun to be with day to day doing ordinary things.

Things that really do not include him providing me anything. A guy that can demonstrate he is willing to put his time into doing things that benifit "our" future and even present makes more of and impression for me. Yes it is nice to go out for a memorable even costly date occassionaly but I don't expect that every date and neither do most women I know. In fact most women I know are likely to return such an invitation with like or at very least a superior home prepared meal. When I am dateing some one significant I am very generous and most men I have had any kind of lasting relationship with have come out way ahead of where they would have been on their own. Wheather it was education, and improved home, a successful business, or travel, or a better vehical. I am a good manager. It is certainly why I have what I have now.

And yes I would be glad to to McDonalds' and probably enjoy it just as much as some snooty resturant that I had to wear and uncomfortably dressy outfit to and where a leisurely conversation would be difficult with waiter's hussleing tips.

The most memorable dates I can remember were compleately free except for his attentive presence.

A guy who has to "test" my value system by seeing how I am going to respond to how he spends money on me or how I spend mine is going to get pegged as neurotic and dumped real fast.

I find it patently offensive to be considered a gold digger because I expect to be a homemaker. I know what I have contributed to the world and will continue to contribute to the world according to whatever my means are and my partner is willing to be part of. I have literally volunteered for others besides my own family thousands of hours over my life and always shared the credit for that when approriate with a spouse.