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The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future. Do you mean like the previous administration? Please do some reading and stop acting as if the people who used to run the government had your or my best interest in mind. The corruption in the Bush administration was unprecedented. From Halliburton to Carlyle to the C.I.A. these criminals systematically stole billions, if not trillions from the National Treasury. Since you brought it up, yes the people did speak decisively...that is why Obama got elected or did you forget the fact that this was part of the platform he ran on. This is why he was elected. He promised this and now he is trying to deliver on that promise. If Bush wasn’t so focused on raping the country perhaps he would have had some time to address this issue over the eight years he was in office. Aside from the fact that you have seen people on Fox News say it, what part of the executive order is unconstitutional? What it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. The bill that was passed (by a legal vote) already said this. It is unconstitutional because it forces you to buy something and penalizes you if you don't. THAT right there is unconstitutional PERIOD. On those grounds it will be thrown out by the Conservatively held Supreme Court. The only thing President Bush did was protect this country because of an act of war(Which hasn't happened on or main lad in over a hundred years. Extreme measures for extreme circumstances. If it were me those terrorist bastards would never have made it from the black sites to g-bay. The executive order in and of itself is in no way unconstitutional; again, what it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. Bush protected no one; he went off and started a war with the wrong people. A war in which he and many others continue to profit from today. Didn't protect anyone? You do realize that we didn't have another attack on the 50 states after 9/11 right? You realize the things he and his administration did kept that from happening. Not to mention took the Taliban out of power and saved millions and millions of Iraqui's from genocide at the hands of Saddam. Do you seriously believe that? As if no other president would have taken SOME of the steps he took to protect the country? So who gets the credit for the previous 100 years that you mentioned? Lol and should we hand it Obama for his efforts over the past year since we have not been successfully attacked? Wow! What a stretch… Actually no other President would have or did. Bill Clinton had a dozen opportunities to get Bin Landen, but decided not to. |
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I have a question for you...do you have government mandated auto insurance? Yup, but you only have to buy it if you CHOOSE to drive. There are other options and the government doesnt force or penalize every American to have it. the law says if you drive you must have it. by your argument this must be unconstitutional as well No, I can choose not to drive. I am not forced to. I am willing to bet you do drive and therefore you have no choise in the matter I drive because I choose to drive. |
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I have a question for you...do you have government mandated auto insurance? Yup, but you only have to buy it if you CHOOSE to drive. There are other options and the government doesnt force or penalize every American to have it. the law says if you drive you must have it. by your argument this must be unconstitutional as well No, I can choose not to drive. I am not forced to. I am willing to bet you do drive and therefore you have no choice in the matter I drive because I choose to drive. and you have no choice but to carry insurance |
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The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future. Do you mean like the previous administration? Please do some reading and stop acting as if the people who used to run the government had your or my best interest in mind. The corruption in the Bush administration was unprecedented. From Halliburton to Carlyle to the C.I.A. these criminals systematically stole billions, if not trillions from the National Treasury. Since you brought it up, yes the people did speak decisively...that is why Obama got elected or did you forget the fact that this was part of the platform he ran on. This is why he was elected. He promised this and now he is trying to deliver on that promise. If Bush wasn’t so focused on raping the country perhaps he would have had some time to address this issue over the eight years he was in office. Aside from the fact that you have seen people on Fox News say it, what part of the executive order is unconstitutional? What it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. The bill that was passed (by a legal vote) already said this. It is unconstitutional because it forces you to buy something and penalizes you if you don't. THAT right there is unconstitutional PERIOD. On those grounds it will be thrown out by the Conservatively held Supreme Court. The only thing President Bush did was protect this country because of an act of war(Which hasn't happened on or main lad in over a hundred years. Extreme measures for extreme circumstances. If it were me those terrorist bastards would never have made it from the black sites to g-bay. The executive order in and of itself is in no way unconstitutional; again, what it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. Bush protected no one; he went off and started a war with the wrong people. A war in which he and many others continue to profit from today. Didn't protect anyone? You do realize that we didn't have another attack on the 50 states after 9/11 right? You realize the things he and his administration did kept that from happening. Not to mention took the Taliban out of power and saved millions and millions of Iraqui's from genocide at the hands of Saddam. Do you seriously believe that? As if no other president would have taken SOME of the steps he took to protect the country? So who gets the credit for the previous 100 years that you mentioned? Lol and should we hand it Obama for his efforts over the past year since we have not been successfully attacked? Wow! What a stretch… Actually no other President would have or did. Bill Clinton had a dozen opportunities to get Bin Landen, but decided not to. That’s funny, no one but Bush would have taken action. Clinton did launch a few air strikes on them, but what he didn’t want to do is start an all out war with THE WRONG COUNTRY a little fact that you seem to be all too willing to overlook. |
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Didn't protect anyone? You do realize that we didn't have another attack on the 50 states after 9/11 right? You realize the things he and his administration did kept that from happening. Not to mention took the Taliban out of power and saved millions and millions of Iraqui's from genocide at the hands of Saddam. Bush didn't take the Taliban out of power. They've grown. They've been invading Pakistan too. Saddam wasn't threatening us. |
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The video on this site addresses all of the legal questions: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/23/health.care.lawsuit/index.html Click on "Will legal challenges work?"  Thanks for the link to the video. |
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If this health care bill is unconstitutional, that makes Social Security and Medicare unconstitutional then. It's the same kind of talk that occurred when Social Security came about. No its not. You sound like a broken record. 38 seperate states didnt file suits and enact laws to repel social security. Never have the states united like this to repel a bill. 38 states is enough to begin the process to make a constitutional amendment banning the mandated health care bill |
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The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future. Do you mean like the previous administration? Please do some reading and stop acting as if the people who used to run the government had your or my best interest in mind. The corruption in the Bush administration was unprecedented. From Halliburton to Carlyle to the C.I.A. these criminals systematically stole billions, if not trillions from the National Treasury. Since you brought it up, yes the people did speak decisively...that is why Obama got elected or did you forget the fact that this was part of the platform he ran on. This is why he was elected. He promised this and now he is trying to deliver on that promise. If Bush wasn’t so focused on raping the country perhaps he would have had some time to address this issue over the eight years he was in office. Aside from the fact that you have seen people on Fox News say it, what part of the executive order is unconstitutional? What it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. The bill that was passed (by a legal vote) already said this. It is unconstitutional because it forces you to buy something and penalizes you if you don't. THAT right there is unconstitutional PERIOD. On those grounds it will be thrown out by the Conservatively held Supreme Court. The only thing President Bush did was protect this country because of an act of war(Which hasn't happened on or main lad in over a hundred years. Extreme measures for extreme circumstances. If it were me those terrorist bastards would never have made it from the black sites to g-bay. The executive order in and of itself is in no way unconstitutional; again, what it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. Bush protected no one; he went off and started a war with the wrong people. A war in which he and many others continue to profit from today. Didn't protect anyone? You do realize that we didn't have another attack on the 50 states after 9/11 right? You realize the things he and his administration did kept that from happening. Not to mention took the Taliban out of power and saved millions and millions of Iraqui's from genocide at the hands of Saddam. Do you seriously believe that? As if no other president would have taken SOME of the steps he took to protect the country? So who gets the credit for the previous 100 years that you mentioned? Lol and should we hand it Obama for his efforts over the past year since we have not been successfully attacked? Wow! What a stretch… Actually no other President would have or did. Bill Clinton had a dozen opportunities to get Bin Landen, but decided not to. That’s funny, no one but Bush would have taken action. Clinton did launch a few air strikes on them, but what he didn’t want to do is start an all out war with THE WRONG COUNTRY a little fact that you seem to be all too willing to overlook. Afganistan is the wrong country? Because that who Clinton didn't want to goto war with. |
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Didn't protect anyone? You do realize that we didn't have another attack on the 50 states after 9/11 right? You realize the things he and his administration did kept that from happening. Not to mention took the Taliban out of power and saved millions and millions of Iraqui's from genocide at the hands of Saddam. Bush didn't take the Taliban out of power. They've grown. They've been invading Pakistan too. Saddam wasn't threatening us. ********. Their government fell in under two weeks, they are out of power. |
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Edited by
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We're fighting them right now.
Jan. 2010 - The 9,000 U.S. Marines arriving this year will nearly double the number of coalition troops in Helmand province. Mills will take command of the larger force this spring when he moves his headquarters there from this Southern California base. Marines plan to launch an offensive to seize Marjah, the Taliban's remaining stronghold in Helmand. http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-01-11-Helmand-Taliban_N.htm?csp=34 Six years after invasion, Taliban is on the rise: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-29-Kabul_N.htm Obama's been working. They've been in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That's where Bush should have sent the troops instead of Iraq. |
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We're fighting them right now. Jan. 2010 - The 9,000 U.S. Marines arriving this year will nearly double the number of coalition troops in Helmand province. Mills will take command of the larger force this spring when he moves his headquarters there from this Southern California base. Marines plan to launch an offensive to seize Marjah, the Taliban's remaining stronghold in Helmand. http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-01-11-Helmand-Taliban_N.htm?csp=34 Six years after invasion, Taliban is on the rise: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-29-Kabul_N.htm Obama's been working. The Taliban is not the government there and hasnt been since 2001. They are a minor irritation is all. |
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A minor irritation?! Tell that to the people in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Bush should have sent more troops there instead of going to Iraq. |
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Edited by
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CNN has 79 news reports about the Taliban in Pakistan:
http://topics.cnn.com/topics/taliban_movement_of_pakistan Here's one from last month: Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Two men from the minority Sikh community in Pakistan's tribal northwest were kidnapped and beheaded on Sunday, authorities said this week. Two others remain in custody. The men were kidnapped by the Pakistan Taliban for ransom from Khyber Agency two weeks ago, said Shafirullah Wazir, the area's administrative chief. They were killed when their family members were unable to pay their ransom, officials said. http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/24/pakistan.sikhs.beheaded/index.html Just a minor irritation. |
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CNN has 100 news items about the Taliban in Afghanistan.
http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/afghanistan Here's one from February: Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Deadly blasts targeting foreign nationals in the Afghan capital Friday killed at least 17 people and wounded many others. The Taliban claimed responsibility for the attacks near the Safi Landmark Hotel in the neighborhood of Shahr-E-Naw, where there are a number of government buildings and U.N. offices as well as supermarkets, banks, diplomatic facilities and villas for well-to-do Afghans. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/26/afghanistan.explosion/index.html |
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If this health care bill is unconstitutional, that makes Social Security and Medicare unconstitutional then. It's the same kind of talk that occurred when Social Security came about. No its not. You sound like a broken record. 38 seperate states didnt file suits and enact laws to repel social security. Never have the states united like this to repel a bill. 38 states is enough to begin the process to make a constitutional amendment banning the mandated health care bill IF 34 states come forward to propose , but this has NEVER before been successful,,,,,,as I said though,, time will tell |
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This is happening just like when Social Security started. Nothing like it. Never has so many states come together to file suit and never has so many states come togehter to pass laws to repel something. I believe that this has happened before, they called it the "Civil War" It was the difference between what was the right thing to do and what made a selfish person more wealthy. I do think history will show......... |
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This is happening just like when Social Security started. Nothing like it. Never has so many states come together to file suit and never has so many states come togehter to pass laws to repel something. I believe that this has happened before, they called it the "Civil War" It was the difference between what was the right thing to do and what made a selfish person more wealthy. I do think history will show......... and it was not successful...the south LOST |
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This is happening just like when Social Security started. Nothing like it. Never has so many states come together to file suit and never has so many states come togehter to pass laws to repel something. I believe that this has happened before, they called it the "Civil War" It was the difference between what was the right thing to do and what made a selfish person more wealthy. I do think history will show......... A Civil War sounds nice about now....... Hell we had the Cold War and Vietnam to fight communism, so why not a Civil War to fight the same thing within our own country. |
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The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future. Do you mean like the previous administration? Please do some reading and stop acting as if the people who used to run the government had your or my best interest in mind. The corruption in the Bush administration was unprecedented. From Halliburton to Carlyle to the C.I.A. these criminals systematically stole billions, if not trillions from the National Treasury. Since you brought it up, yes the people did speak decisively...that is why Obama got elected or did you forget the fact that this was part of the platform he ran on. This is why he was elected. He promised this and now he is trying to deliver on that promise. If Bush wasn’t so focused on raping the country perhaps he would have had some time to address this issue over the eight years he was in office. Aside from the fact that you have seen people on Fox News say it, what part of the executive order is unconstitutional? What it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. The bill that was passed (by a legal vote) already said this. It is unconstitutional because it forces you to buy something and penalizes you if you don't. THAT right there is unconstitutional PERIOD. On those grounds it will be thrown out by the Conservatively held Supreme Court. The only thing President Bush did was protect this country because of an act of war(Which hasn't happened on or main lad in over a hundred years. Extreme measures for extreme circumstances. If it were me those terrorist bastards would never have made it from the black sites to g-bay. The executive order in and of itself is in no way unconstitutional; again, what it does is reaffirm restrictions on federal funding of abortion. Bush protected no one; he went off and started a war with the wrong people. A war in which he and many others continue to profit from today. Didn't protect anyone? You do realize that we didn't have another attack on the 50 states after 9/11 right? You realize the things he and his administration did kept that from happening. Not to mention took the Taliban out of power and saved millions and millions of Iraqui's from genocide at the hands of Saddam. Do you seriously believe that? As if no other president would have taken SOME of the steps he took to protect the country? So who gets the credit for the previous 100 years that you mentioned? Lol and should we hand it Obama for his efforts over the past year since we have not been successfully attacked? Wow! What a stretch… Actually no other President would have or did. Bill Clinton had a dozen opportunities to get Bin Landen, but decided not to. That’s funny, no one but Bush would have taken action. Clinton did launch a few air strikes on them, but what he didn’t want to do is start an all out war with THE WRONG COUNTRY a little fact that you seem to be all too willing to overlook. Afganistan is the wrong country? Because that who Clinton didn't want to goto war with. Omg…you can spin it can’t you? First of all we are not at war with the country of Afghanistan. Secondly we went to war with Iraq who had nothing to with 9/11. That to me is a good indication that they were the wrong country. It is funny how you just keep avoiding that. How many people have died in that war? How much money have we spent on this war? How much did Bush and his cohorts make off of this war? It wasn’t just Clinton that didn’t want to go to war with them (Afghanistan) it was the entire country. Neither house wanted that war nor did the general public and for good reason. Much the same as Iraq, the Afghan government was not the Taliban and that is who was responsible for the attacks you are referring to. |
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