It's funny how you brought up Bush.I think if Bush had written up this bill,made it mandatory to buy insurance,and done all the back door deals like Obama did,people would be screaming bloody murder,and impeachment at the top of their lungs including all you liberals.

I think if elephants could fly... oh wait, that's not going to happen either. LOL

Undereducated? Really? Lets look at his education and accomplishments.

Prep School in Houston
Graduated High School from the Phillips Accademy (One of the top schools in the nation)
BA from Yale (One of the top schools in the world)
President of the DKE Fraternity
Member of the Skull and Bones Society (The top secret society in the nation, not to mention the hardest to get in. The basis of the movies the Skulls 1 through 3)
MBA from Harvard (The only President in history to have earned an MBA)
Commissioned Officer and Pilot in the Air Force Reserve

So in reality President Bush is one of the most educated President we have ever had, his education and accomplishments runs circles around the "Chosen One" that's in office now.

Not to mention we would have rioting all across the country.

well,, fraternities, military service and secret societies aside, since I am not sure what that has to do with being educated... A masters in business administration with a solid C average from someone whos first KNOWN job was at 33 years old and who was not successful in ONE business venture he attempted,,,is not quite so impressive to me....


ITs a bit more impressive, to me , to accomplish graduating the top of your class in a subject like law,, let alone Constitutional law...it is much more impressive to have worked since the age of fourteen,, for both profit and NOT FOR PROFIT businesses,,,but thats just my assessment and I realize everyone is IMPRESSED by different things

if you base your opine on polls you are a fool...im american people... i will stand for it... and so will millions of others...
the bill isnt the best but its a good start...public option would have been better....

Ok, his actual grades have not been released, only unofficial versions. Societies and Fraternaties have a lot to do with it. To be selected to enter the Skull and Bones Society you have to be in the top of your class. It is also something you don't apply for, your selected(and you don't know about your selection until your tapped). So it has a lot to do with it.

I would also rather have someone with a BA and MBA running the country because free enterprise and business is what makes America what it is along with the freedoms and Liberties we have.

And people wonder how Obama got elected ... ? Just look at the thread ...

I agree. Public Option would have been better.

The bill also contains Republican ideas and proposals. The tax credit for 4 million small businesses to help them insure their employees, effective immediately, was a Republican idea, which was incorporated into the bill.

the supreme court should strike this bill down as being against the constitution

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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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where in the constitution does the federal government get the responsibility of making sure the """people""" must have medical coverage

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that power is reserved for the """people""" or the states per the 10th ammendment

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Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.


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i do not see the words mandate medical coverage to the """people""" in the section of the constitution labeled powers of congress

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but hey what do i know

Bush has no real education and he has no accomplishments. Deal with it. He was nothing more than a black eye for this great country for 8 years. THANK GOD he is history and now the historians can put him and all his cronies in their place, and thank god for the invention of video tape. Read 'em and weep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsziT-oDgqE

Public option is what we need, but hey, I guess the insurance companies weren't too happy about that huh

Maybe now people will unite and take a better look at public option...


I don't wonder about such common sense things. I wonder how bush got re-elected. LOL

the republicans are pissed cause they haven't had anything even close to a healthcare reform.actually they haven't had any ideas ever cause well americans health isn't as important than just sticking their elephant dick up in our american a$$

Couldn't that be said about Social Security and Medicare too? What about car insurance?

yes it could and that is the way the country is going it is taking away the responsibility (and the right) of self preservation

itis your responsibility to see to it you take care of yourself not the mommy daddy govt

govt is to be rulled by the """people""" not the other way around

just print more money...really its that simple atleast the mint workers have job security

This. I support the fight against the health care reform, I do. We are twisting ourselves into a Socialist government that defies the very reason our country was founded...but find a more credible source than Fox. Their journalism department is ran by monkeys with too much time on their hands.

Instead, let's write personal thoughts? Maybe strike a more personal nerve with fellow readers? We can't very well do this with a news organization that has failed numerous times to point out facts in a non-bias method and is financed by the right-wing.

What we have with this health care reform bill is the verge of a Socialist government, remember Democracy? Well, now we say bye to it. This is just one step of, and I can only assume, many more to come. First we had the Patriot Act, yes, yes this is where we lost our freedom...and now we have the health care bill, say 'goodbye freedom!' I really did use to love my country, I did, even moreso than most might know, but I did. We used to be a beacon of freedom for everyone, a place people aspired to come and lay down a foundation for their future...that's right! We used to be that and now we are crippled.

It can really be traced back all the way to the early 70's, I like to call it 'the beginning of the end.' Around this time the government started enacting laws to control the population, drug laws. This continued well into the 80's with the Tax Reform Act in 1986, effectively killing real estate values, this continued well into the 90's. In the early to mid 90's we began to see curfew laws enacted in certain areas of our country, which meant if you were under a certain age you had to be inside at a certain time of night...well, if you were under 18, you were less of an American citizen, no?

As well in the 90's we saw a great rise in murder, specifically in Oakland with the coming of the crack-cocaine epidemic. With this string of murders we began to see numerous gun control laws enacted, with of course, our personal interest in mind, right? Well, really this could have been completly avoided if we didn't have a fluke of an agency called the DEA mucking things up with the drugs. The crac-cocaine epidemic spawned out of the Miami cocaine epidemic ran by Griselda Blanco, which was, by all accounts, an epidemic...right?

Where does this all come together? Population control under the guise of personal interest, the murder rate in Oakland in the early and mid 90's could have been avoided with a better drug law put into effect and less governing from only one agency (DEA). The drug laws really set in motion a cataclysm of events that have lead to where we are now, you give people control and they want more, an unfortunate aspect of human nature. Now at the turn of the century (2000), we were already being pretty well controlled, weren't we? I mean we had gun laws, we had drug laws, we even had social laws. Well, now we are on a roll.

So comes the turn of the century and then President Bush, with that came the September 11th attacks and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, respectively. We started the push into Afghanistan, which was to be assumed since the plotter of the September 11th attacks was taking refuge in the country. After about a year or two we then moved into Iraq, for reasons we can only theorize (I won't get into this). So what does this all mean? Well, in simple terms: Big government started taking over little government at the turn of the 70's and continued like a steed on steroids well into where we are now.

And, to top it off, we allowed it. Blindly following assumed statistics of the 70's and the assumption that we needed the Federal Government to watch over us in the 80's, 90's, and 00's. We built this road with loads of anti-this/that movements in the 90's, anti-gun, anti-drug...anti-freedom.

We killed the only thing this country was worth, we destroyed the very foundation on which this great country was founded...we collapsed an ideal that even when it was thought of...was known to eventually be taken advantage of. We did this to ourselves, and only we can turn it around.

So...write your senator, congressman/woman, and your respective state. Voice your opinion, whether it be in favor or against, speak. Freedom means nothing if we don't use it, and speech is just a word with a simple definition without a very sound intent behind it.

1970's-Recession.
1973-The DEA was founded.
1980-Reagan is elected, and leads the attack against Communism.
1980's-Reagan accelerates the war on drugs.
1986-Tax Reform Act, Immigration Reform Act.
1990-$220 billion dollar deficit.
1991-United States launches first attack on Iraq.
1993-Oakland's murder rate rises to 40.8 per 100,000.
1994-Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act put into effect by Clinton.
1996-Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act is enacted.
2001-September 11th and subsequent war in Afghanistan.
2001-The Patriot Act is enacted.
2003-War begins in Iraq, and ends.
2004-Violence surges in Iraq and still continues today.
2005-Hurricane Katrina and subsequent failure to deal with the situation.

LOL

Well, I'm not too worried about the new "health care bill". It's got so many lawsuits against it that even a lawyer would do a double take!
Actually, I am kinda sick of new laws whatsoever... maybe I'll start a movement to see if we can get candidates who will be sworn to repeal old, useless laws and those laws which lack enforcement or are redundant. Oh, wait, then they wouldn't have an excuse to take more taxpayer money. Guess that runs out almost every politician on the books.

See, he gets it.