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Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:32 PM
If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?

They believe they are gods themselves?

What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.

Abracadabra's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:57 PM

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?


Most religious people do not trust their God to be able to do anything right. This is especially true of the Abrahamic religions. But after reading those religious doctrines it's pretty easy to understand why they view their God as being extremely inept and untrustworthy.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 10:13 PM
laugh

AndyBgood's photo
Sun 08/15/10 10:14 PM
Man made god in his image, not the other way around. I used to catch hell for asking Catholic Priests if it was hypocrisy to sin wearing the cloth of the church. I also asked them a lot why it was always 'do what I say and not what I do.' I asked them if that was not defying their own edicts when priests act on lust, greed, and envy (as well as the other deadly sins.) hey fall back on 'do as I say not as I do.'

I cannot see how equitable that is. I can raise the same argument towards Islam. Why do I have to worship as they worship when I clearly don't want to?

People want moral guidance becasue their moral compasses are broken. Many people thrive under a guiding hand. It absolves them of responsibility. That is something a lot of people seem to fear. Knowing if they do wrong they are responsible is different when you do something wrong and know you are forgiven.

In America supposedly "In God We Trust."

How much trust do we have in God Exactly???

Either 100% or 0%.

I definitely am on the 0% side!

markc48's photo
Sun 08/15/10 10:20 PM
Dont worry about it. We all get buried in the same dirt.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 10:24 PM
Unless your cremated and thrown in the ocean.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/16/10 03:34 AM
lands have laws,, christians are part of the citizens who have a say in those laws

why do christians vote on the issues put before them? because its as much their right to do so as anyone else...


hopefully,

neighbors, family, friends, communities,,etc,, try to help each other and sometimes help is not always in a tangible form

advise and experience and knowledge are helpful things that people share just as people might share food for the body, christians try to share food for the soul

it sounds cliche, but its not really complicated if we are honest about it


to ask why anyone makes sure everyone is doing right simplifies things a bit too much I think

noone can make sure everyone does right, but people can have a vested interest and make efforts to try to live in a community or world that THEY think is healthy and safe(both physically and spiritually)

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 08/16/10 03:48 AM

If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?

They believe they are gods themselves?

What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.


If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?
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Because you get only one chance in this life time. You can't go through this life, then return to do it again and fix what you've learned. I personally don't do this for anything beneficial to me, that's not why i struggle so much to bring light to God on here. Has absolutely nothing to do with my salvation. I do it out of love for all of you, trying to open peoples eyes and give them an opportunity to bask in the joy of the lord.
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They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?
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Yes God will do the judging just fine. That's not why we try to reveal the truth to people, it's not our job to do any Judging. But quite the contrary, we are forbidden from judging others. But once God judges, that's the final judgement, there are no second chances. This one lifetime is all we have.
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They believe they are gods themselves?
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1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
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What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.
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What kind of love would we be showing if we didn't tell others? And i don't mean just atheist people, i mean if i see a Christian doing something they aught not be doing, i will confront them about it. But regardless of what ANYONE has done in anyway, we are not to judge. That's not why we tell people things like homosexuality be immoral and against God, no judging. Just informing this poor misguided soul of what God has said about such an action.

As for homosexuals "living together" and having relations and all that, that's fine with me, go for it. But marriage is more then just a piece of paper, a legal document. It is a holy matrimony, a joining of two families forever and ever. Those TWO people have now become ONE person. That is why i see it wrong for homosexuals to be able to "marry" on this earth. Because it is an abomination to God, and that's what a marriage truely is, a joining of those two people on earth and in heaven to be together for eternity.

RainbowTrout's photo
Mon 08/16/10 03:50 AM
Edited by RainbowTrout on Mon 08/16/10 04:02 AM

If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?

Because of the god complex. God can be quite complex. That is why we have government.

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?

Exactly. That is why we elect officials for shorter terms of office.

They believe they are gods themselves?

Of course, that is why we have the House of Representatives and the Senate so that they can try to figure out the god complex.

What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

Just in case we find that we want to dissolve the government and want to go back to where the Kings rule. We would need a heir.

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Government is big business.

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.



You have a good point there.flowerforyou

JamieRawxx's photo
Mon 08/16/10 08:13 AM
Every "religious" person i have ever met does not accept the way any other people view things. They are closed minded hypocritical human beings and sometimes it's hard to actually believe they think they will get into heaven.

It's a new century open up a little. and how do you even know what is real unless you saw Jesus before your eyes? the bible is a load of crap. it only portrays what "man" wants out of life.

and how can you know how real it really is when it has been re-written numerous amounts of times and it's not even "whole"

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/16/10 11:03 AM
I dont know how we determine who is religious or not

I dont really walk around with a tattoo or shirt advertising what my faith is

so it makes me wonder about how people know they have met a 'religious' person or not


most christians I know are open to other peoples views but what does it mean to 'accept the way others view things'?

does that require belief that others are right and you are wrong
does it require total agreement

this is what I dont get in these forums, a question is asked, and everyone has opinion, usually noone thinks their opinion is wrong, but if a 'religious' person supports or believes in their opinion, they are labeled as closed minded and not accepting others

regardless of religious affiliation, people are going to disagree and in conversation those disagreements may come up,,,,,,

for me, if it is respectful and mature discussion, who cares if the parties agree or accept the others opinion as valid or even true?

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Mon 08/16/10 11:08 AM
Edited by earthytaurus76 on Mon 08/16/10 11:09 AM

If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?

They believe they are gods themselves?

What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.


Religion is amongst many things, for showing appreciation, adoration, and having grace.


What is wrong with a civil union for gays?

PS I know TONS of gays, and lesbians that are church going christians.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/16/10 11:16 AM


If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?

They believe they are gods themselves?

What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.


Religion is amongst many things, for showing appreciation, adoration, and having grace.


What is wrong with a civil union for gays?

PS I know TONS of gays, and lesbians that are church going christians.



I am all about civil unions for gays, adults should have the legal right to share, endow, their assets and lives with whomever they chose

I personally think one cant be christian and embrace a homosexual lifestyle, although (from experience) I know one can be christian and have homosexual attraction,,,,although its not something I think a christian should embrace either

everyone that goes to church is a sinner, I just think a christian should be making an attempt to turn from sin rather than defend it or define themself by it
I oppose promoting gay sexual activity though, which causes me to oppose gay marriage(marriage is understood to be 'consummated')

AndyBgood's photo
Mon 08/16/10 12:19 PM
people fear and revile that which they cannot understand.

no photo
Mon 08/16/10 09:25 PM

people fear and revile that which they cannot understand.


Understand homosexual relations?

Hmmmmm, I wouldn't put my hand in a pile of crap, don't think I wanna risk gettin poo all over my thingy.


But to say one doesn't understand it because they don't support it is presumptious.

creativesoul's photo
Mon 08/16/10 10:49 PM
I think the point is valid. In situations where there is no harm to others, no infringement on others' rights, follow your own religion and...

Let God be the judge!

:wink:

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/17/10 12:26 AM
do we define harm in an immediate sense

as in there is no immediate harm in selling someone a bag of weed,
there is no immediate harm in a 15 year old sleeping with a 22 year old, there is no immediate harm in driving drunk UNTIL someone gets hit


I think the culture does plenty of judging of things which have no immediate harm, based upon their collective harm

if it were all truly to have no intervention , we wouldnt have most the laws that govern the land today and probably would be much more chaotic than we are now

Foliel's photo
Tue 08/17/10 12:37 AM


If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?

They believe they are gods themselves?

What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.


If everyone has to answer to their god in the end, why do we need the moral police (otherwise referred to as the religious) on this planet to make sure everyone is doing what they think they should be doing?
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Because you get only one chance in this life time. You can't go through this life, then return to do it again and fix what you've learned. I personally don't do this for anything beneficial to me, that's not why i struggle so much to bring light to God on here. Has absolutely nothing to do with my salvation. I do it out of love for all of you, trying to open peoples eyes and give them an opportunity to bask in the joy of the lord.
=========================================================================

They don't trust god to do the judging in the end properly?
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Yes God will do the judging just fine. That's not why we try to reveal the truth to people, it's not our job to do any Judging. But quite the contrary, we are forbidden from judging others. But once God judges, that's the final judgement, there are no second chances. This one lifetime is all we have.
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They believe they are gods themselves?
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1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
=========================================================================

What is it?

For example: Gay marriage.

If gay folks have to answer to their god in the end, why make such a big deal out of other folks marrying whoever they want?

If people have to answer to their god for what they do, why do the religious make life hell on earth for all of us in the name of their god when every one has to face their own god anyway?

Seems ridiculous and terribly annoying to me.
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What kind of love would we be showing if we didn't tell others? And i don't mean just atheist people, i mean if i see a Christian doing something they aught not be doing, i will confront them about it. But regardless of what ANYONE has done in anyway, we are not to judge. That's not why we tell people things like homosexuality be immoral and against God, no judging. Just informing this poor misguided soul of what God has said about such an action.

As for homosexuals "living together" and having relations and all that, that's fine with me, go for it. But marriage is more then just a piece of paper, a legal document. It is a holy matrimony, a joining of two families forever and ever. Those TWO people have now become ONE person. That is why i see it wrong for homosexuals to be able to "marry" on this earth. Because it is an abomination to God, and that's what a marriage truely is, a joining of those two people on earth and in heaven to be together for eternity.


what I find funny is that if you really learn the history of marriage, there was nothing religious about it at first. It was all arranged, the bride and groom had 0 say in it. Then christianity came along and decided marriage was theirs and it had to be done their way.

I never want to get married as I do not care for what marriage supposedly stands for. I always thought marriage was a union of souls but now I see that I am wrong, marriage is a union of genitalia with no real benefit in life. So I will thank religion for that, they showed me why i shouldn't get married even if I were heterosexual.

Foliel's photo
Tue 08/17/10 12:40 AM

do we define harm in an immediate sense

as in there is no immediate harm in selling someone a bag of weed,
there is no immediate harm in a 15 year old sleeping with a 22 year old, there is no immediate harm in driving drunk UNTIL someone gets hit


I think the culture does plenty of judging of things which have no immediate harm, based upon their collective harm

if it were all truly to have no intervention , we wouldnt have most the laws that govern the land today and probably would be much more chaotic than we are now


There is no harm in a gay person marrying another gay person. it doesn't affect everyone's life, just theirs. You (general term, not you specifically msharmony :) ) don't have to marry someone of the same gender if you don't wish to. If gays want to be miserable with the straights of the worls in marriage, let em. It's their life to ruin if they choose lol

creativesoul's photo
Tue 08/17/10 02:22 AM
Agreed.

Show me the possible harm in gay marriage.

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