It doesn't support what you SAY.

You said, "First of all this is from old testament, in those days people were judged on earth for their sins."

But according to the Bible they aren't being judged for their sins, they are being judged by other mortal men who were told to judge people for being sinners.

That's a big difference.

I realize that you don't see it. You probably think they are saying the same things, but they aren't. You are saying that men are being judged for their sins. But the bible simply instructs men to stone sinners to death. That is nowhere NEAR the same thing.

You just assume that it's the same because you accept it as 'TRUTH'.

But the fact of the matter is that mortal men could not possibly judge people for their sins in a way that would be totally righteous and perfect in judgment. Therefore the Bible does not support your claim that men were being judged for their sins. All it supports is that the men who wrote the Bible told men to judge each other.

You can't see these contradictions because you are locked into the idea of believing that the Bible is the "Word of God". You can't see beyond that idea because you refuse to even remotely consider that these stories might not be divine.

Therefore, you are probably thinking that if God told men to judge each other then these men would judge fairly and accurately, or some such nonsense.

What I'm saying is that mortal men clearly could not possibly judge each other to be sinners in a fair and just way. So the Bible does not imply that men were being judged for their sin, but rather that they were simply being judged by other men to be sinners.

I realize that this is probably beyond your ability to grasp. But the fact is that the Bible does not support your conclusions. Your "conclusions" are nothing more than a completely unquestioned faith that the authors of the Old Testament spoke for God. You've made your "conclusion" long before you even bother to think about what's these ancient writings actually have people doing to each other.

So, no, IMHO the Bible doesn't support your conclusions at all.

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I realize that you don't see it. You probably think they are saying the same things, but they aren't. You are saying that men are being judged for their sins. But the bible simply instructs men to stone sinners to death. That is nowhere NEAR the same thing
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The only reward for sin is death. Therefore they were stoned to death for their sins, eg., being judged on earth.
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Therefore, you are probably thinking that if God told men to judge each other then these men would judge fairly and accurately, or some such nonsense
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No I never claimed this. And those that judged unfairly will have their reward.
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What I'm saying is that mortal men clearly could not possibly judge each other to be sinners in a fair and just way. So the Bible does not imply that men were being judged for their sin, but rather that they were simply being judged by other men to be sinners.
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They were judged for their sins. If someone was caught stealing for instance, they would the have their hand amputated. Not ALL judgments ended in stoning to death.

Oh please. You can't be serious.

The very simple fact of the matter is that Christianity is a highly proselytizing religion.

It's the Christians who are constantly trying to argue with everyone that the Bible is the "Word of God".



If Christianity wasn't such an ignorant and belligerent religion in he first place it wouldn't find itself in such a 'defensive' position.

I have no sympathy for any religion that is so arrogant that it insults everyone who refuses to believe in it.

When it comes to Christianity who's truly casting the FIRST stone?

Answer HONESTLY, if you can.

You claim Christians are If Christianity wasn't such an ignorant and belligerent religion. They are not belligerent for the majority and or what we have been taught to be. Christians aren't the ones running around calling others stupid or some form of insult. You see a lot of atheists and other beliefs do this. Nor are we ignorant. Would be the atheists and other beliefs that would be ignorant. Ignorant is the lack of knowledge and or not knowing of something. Therefore the atheists and or other beliefs would be ignorant for not knowing the truth about the word of God and what is in it.

Yes you're right. I keep forgetting that Christianity is actually the basis for the behavior of the Islamic cultures too.

Well, you may believe in this ignorant despicable mythological God, but I certainly don't.

It's a fable that has been proven to be false. Why beat a dead horse, especially when it's clearly filled with such ignorance?

Why would you want to have "faith" that our creator has no better wisdom or morality than a barroom drunkard?

Do you think it's wise and intelligent to cut the hands off of people accused of stealing? At what age do you start this practice?

It is precisely for this kind of ignorant mentality that I reject these horrible fables for instilling into society. These fables just cause people to act like ignorance and unwise punishment are "divine" and "godly" because LOOK the Bible tells us so!

God is a jerk, and therefore it's cool to be a jerk TOO!

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It's a fable that has been proven to be false. Why beat a dead horse, especially when it's clearly filled with such ignorance?
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What exactly has been proven my friend? And what evidence do you have to show as such? Nothing in the bible has been "proven" false. If someone doesn't believe in what it says doesn't declare it to be false.
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Do you think it's wise and intelligent to cut the hands off of people accused of stealing? At what age do you start this practice?
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If this was done i bet they won't ever steal again, and yes i do see it as wise and intelligent for it teaches a lesson. Again bet that person never stole again.
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one author believes most christians will be left (as I believe most of everyone will),,,

http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/rapture_is_it_in_the_bible.html


I think he has some well thought out points, although Im not in agreement with all of them,,, I wont know until the time comes,,

Ripped right out and into my photobucket...thank you.

Of course the "rapture" thing is just another fear method to further the myth/fairytale...but yet so many Christians will try to prove the myth by bringing it (in some form) about. They will kill millions to save one...ever heard that. I have...it's creepy.

What do you think Palin ran on to get the Christian's support?...yet again the C's latch onto some nutcase in an attempt to gain power...political power. NOT ME! Nukes, they want the keys. The Christians are failing with Palin and the GOP/T-baggers now...maybe we're starting to grow up in this country eh?

im not tryin to convert anyone to an atheist i just like to show how much religion is BS.

i'm actually fine with seeing nativity seens and the star of david stuff,it doesnt bother me when someone says thanks rob and god bless or god in our anthem or whatever...i just know in my mind and through some expressions its BS.

but if someone tries to convert me into their beliefs well then i'll tell them to F off.


please jehovah sicknesses stay away with your "watch tower" magazines

Well, if you see that as being wise and intelligent then it's no wonder that you have no problem with this religion. This religion obviously supports your own views of what's righteous.

This kind of mentality personally makes my skin crawl. I could just see visiting you when your children appear with amputated limbs and you just smile and say, "I'm teaching them lessons".

Sounds more like the behavior of a demon to me.

You'll never sell your evil religion to me, I can guarantee you that.

Sure it has.

Geologists have shown that the worldwide flood claimed in the Bible could not have possibly even taken place as depicted in the Bible. It just isn't physically possible because had such an event occurred the evidence for it would be clear. And it just doesn't exist. It never happened.

Also, the whole entire biblical myth is based on that totally false idea that mankind brought imperfection and death into the world. We know now that this is clearly false. The universe itself has shown to us that death and imperfections have always existed long before mankind ever arrived on the scene.

The the very foundational premise of the biblical story has been verified to be a outright lie.

The biblical myth has indeed been proven to be every bit as false as Greek Mythology. There's no question about it. Only people who fail to understand or accept the knowledge that we have gained from the universe itself continue to cling to the delusion that these horrible immoral stories represent the words and actions of some sort of jealous egotistical God.

also i might add that i hear alot of jesus freaks claim...you can't prove GOD doesn't exist,i say exactly cause when it comes to god you can't prove something doesn't exist when it really doesn't exist...this is why they have an argument,actually its the only thing they have

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but since you can't read minds, you really can't know.

I've been through a few acute episodes of a serious illness that usually kills the sufferer, one of which gave me a near-death experience. When I was young, I used to have anxiety attacks so severe I sought treatment.

Since my illnesses and concommitant near-death experiences, I've enjoyed a peace I've never known before. I now KNOW there are worse things than dying. Although I wouldn't want to make a habit of it, I pretty calmly walked into surgery at John Hopkins about this time of the year six years ago and beat the odds.

Professionally, I'm at the top of my game, and I no longer feel a need to get into bad relationships just to avoid being alone. (Because you know what? We ALL die alone-- it's a very personal thing.) I live a pretty busy and full life and I have pretty much most of what I want and want what I have.

So, you're wrong. And please spare me your pity. Give it and your prayers to the kids whom your God gave terminal illnesses to without also giving them the power to understand.

As for my trying to convert Believers? Nope, I'm only telling anyone why *I* believe or don't believe they way I do, and I let it up to them to make up their own minds. Whatever they decide is cool with me.

-Kerry O.

Well what I don't understand is that these people reject all evidence that shows the fable is false. They have absolutely no evidence to show that it's true.

And then all they do is try to justify utterly ignorant teachings as supposedly being 'wise'.

It's a seriously uphill battle.

So they have this mythology that teaches ignorance and has no meaningful evidence to back up the idea that it's anything more than the arrogant ramblings of a very self-centered ignorant society. And they want to try to convince everyone else to be as ignorant as that society was.

It's ridiculous.

i agree through our eyes this is what we see because there is more of them. funny thing is joel osteen is actually their anti-christ cause people pay to hear his motivational speeches using the bible as his main money maker cause the self centered ignorant society refuses to remove their hands from their eyes...he is a good business man

I am in agreement. I attend church with family and friends. I go with them to be with them. Church effects me none.

I have issues with the religious telling me I am ignorant. That I don't know. Since being raised both Baptist and Catholic, I do know.

Then they tell me if I truly knew then I would be converted. No, if they truly knew they would be unconverted.

I see the reasons man created religions. I see the reasons man would have believed in gods. I see the reasons men used religion for controlling the masses to do what they wanted. I see that traditions are hard to break.

I do not see how modern man can believe in the ancient mythologies. Christianity is an ancient mythology.

We do now know why there is a sun and a moon and birth and death and lightening and thunder and rain and drought and many different life forms and sickness, etc.... so no need to believe it is all controlled by god and a devil anymore.

Besides man should be more self responsible than to believe in a god and devil controlling his thoughts and actions.

Same here.

Many of my posts are in response to Cowboy's constant evangelism. Cowboy has confessed that he is indeed evangelizing. He's stated quite a few times that he's trying to bring people to God so they can receive the give of eternal life. Evangelism is his goal.

So my responses to his constant evangelism are simply an explanation of why I feel the whole religion is a false mythology.

Other people (like you GummiBear) see these conversations going on in the forums and make your own assumptions as to who's trying to persuade whom.

Moreover, the Abraham mythologies are indeed a part of human history. There can be no doubt that these mythologies were written down, collected into various forms and books, and "sold" by cultures and groups of people as the "Word of God".

The claim is that these mythologies speak for the creator of all humans.

Well, guess what? I'm a human. That gives me the right to take a look at these doctrines and form my own opinions of whether or not I feel they came from "my" supreme creator. My conclusion is that they don't even come close to appearing even remotely 'divine'.

That's a valid view. People shouldn't be offended by that view or say things like "Why are you bashing MY religion?". What do you mean YOUR religion? I thought these myths claimed to be speaking for the one and only creator of all humanity? Doesn't that automatically make it MY CONCERN as well?

An opinion that these myths are utter nonsense and fake should be respected just as much as any other opinion.

I'm looking at these doctrines closely with a very sincere and critical eye, and my conclusion is that they do not appear to be the slightest bit divine, or even consistent for that matter.

I should be respected for holding this view. I'm a human being and I reject the idea that these ancient Hebrew myths speak for the creator of this universe.

There's nothing at all wrong with voicing such a view. It's HONEST.

Do you expect people to be "dishonest"?

In my honest most sincere evaluation I feel that these ancient Hebrew religious writings cannot possibly represent the word of any all-wise all-powerful creator.

That's just an honest intellectual view and I'll be more than happy to explain why I came to those conclusions.

Truly. And as a human being you have every right to make this assessment. You shouldn't have to apologize to anyone for having come to such a sound conclusion.