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I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys? Fluke is s feminist lawyer so I'm sure she has no agenda. And if 90% of women have used birth control it doesn't seem to me that there is any problem with women getting birth control. Why is this even an issue then? be cautious of wording and context I think the statement was that they have used it IN THEIR LIFETIME women of childbearing age range from 16-46, so to make a statement about what has happened in common over the lifetime of everyone who has been in that age range since birth control is not necessarily an indication of how many women use bc at a GIVEN time , or in a GIVEN period of specific years,, Duly noted.....I would also add that the percentage was not 90%....it was more like 98%. |
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You believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? Did you even pay attention to Sandra Fluke's story, or are you assuming Rush is giving you all the info you need? I do believe women have the right to choose if they use it. I also believe they have a right to pay for it. (and not ask it of me). For my woman I would be willing to pay for a part (if she did not want a child). Yet Mr. Rush was rude in the way he said it. It is still important to note. If she was my daughter I would expect her to be at study in that time of her life. and not bouncing on beds. No insult intended. Just suppose...... You were on your company health care insurance committee. Your health care provider, lets say Blue Cross, came to the committee and said "We can save the plan and evryone money if we provide free birth control pills to all the women covered under the company plan". What would you do/say? NO Way? They have to pay? If free pills results in reduces costs for all those covered by the plan? Let's get all the moral BS out of this discusion. It makes financial sense!!! It's a women's health issue. No its not. Contraception will only cure 'pregnacy'. (or in some cases help in certin actual health issues). It will not cure any of the myrad of sexual diseases, pelvic cancer, mental duress and side effects of sexual activities for pleasure. This 'issue' is about me having to pay for someone elses choices. This is not a corporate board room deciding. It is the Government forcing those companies and requiring me to pay for it. |
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I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys? Fluke is s feminist lawyer so I'm sure she has no agenda. And if 90% of women have used birth control it doesn't seem to me that there is any problem with women getting birth control. Why is this even an issue then? It should be provided to women free. Dental check ups should be free. Breast exams should be free. How will it be free? Someone has to pay for it. What about unwanted STD's caused by more promiscuous women because they are on the pill and don't have to worry about getting pregnant. That's not gonna cost anything either? |
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Edited by
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I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys? Fluke is s feminist lawyer so I'm sure she has no agenda. And if 90% of women have used birth control it doesn't seem to me that there is any problem with women getting birth control. Why is this even an issue then? It should be provided to women free. Dental check ups should be free. Breast exams should be free. How will it be free? Someone has to pay for it. What about unwanted STD's caused by more promiscuous women because they are on the pill and don't have to worry about getting pregnant. That's not gonna cost anything either? Don't those women have to be sleeping with infected men not using contraceptives themselves?? Isn't it just as much the man's decision on whether to use a prophylactic as it is the woman's?? And aren't the men spreading it too? And, BTW prophylactics are provided to men for free everyday.....they just choose not to get them or use them. |
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Edited by
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You believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? Did you even pay attention to Sandra Fluke's story, or are you assuming Rush is giving you all the info you need? I do believe women have the right to choose if they use it. I also believe they have a right to pay for it. (and not ask it of me). For my woman I would be willing to pay for a part (if she did not want a child). Yet Mr. Rush was rude in the way he said it. It is still important to note. If she was my daughter I would expect her to be at study in that time of her life. and not bouncing on beds. No insult intended. Narrow minded focus often comes from those who hold a previous bias toward an issue and for those who do not consider the issure critically with a broad lenz. The narrow mind assumes that birth control used by a woman benefits only the woman and because it's call birth control, it's assumed the woman is promiscuous. How many women AND their monogamous partner have made that choice together - because they feel their financial situation is not stable enough to bring a child into? Why is that not considered responsible action? BC is also used for hormonal value and there are many young girls that benefit greatly from this therapy, I did myself. But many parents cannot afford to pay, even a co-pay for medicine. Responsible sex is not just something a woman needs to consider. Men can say - it's not my problem you got prenant, I'm outta here, because it's the kind of thinking that a lot of men have. The woman gets slammed both, because she didn't use birth control and because she wants to use birth control. MAKE UP YOUR F..NG MINE MEN. BC is NEVER an issue for only a woman or only a man, there is much more to consider. Those who strongly oppose abortion must also consider that fewer would occur if (the more responsible party) which men seem to be claiming should be a woman, preempts the situation with birth control. But there still that narrow mindset that only women have illicit sex while men are some invisible second party to the act. EDIT: Let's not forget that pregnancy can also be an accident due to the failure of BC of any kind. We cannot be the judge of such situations (as being an accident or not)and because all medical issues are a private matter - there should never be an unknown nosey party telling anyone that abortion should be illegal. Abortion is either a legal medical procedure, subject to all the privacy laws over medical procedure, or it is something that is subject prdominantly to a male court review. Those should NEVER be the only two choices in a country that considers half the population (women) equal to the other half. |
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You believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? Did you even pay attention to Sandra Fluke's story, or are you assuming Rush is giving you all the info you need? I do believe women have the right to choose if they use it. I also believe they have a right to pay for it. (and not ask it of me). For my woman I would be willing to pay for a part (if she did not want a child). Yet Mr. Rush was rude in the way he said it. It is still important to note. If she was my daughter I would expect her to be at study in that time of her life. and not bouncing on beds. No insult intended. Narrow minded focus often comes from those who hold a previous bias toward an issue and for those who do not consider the issure critically with a broad lenz. The narrow mind assumes that birth control used by a woman benefits only the woman and because it's call birth control, it's assumed the woman is promiscuous. How many women AND their monogamous partner have made that choice together - because they feel their financial situation is not stable enough to bring a child into? Why is that not considered responsible action? BC is also used for hormonal value and there are many young girls that benefit greatly from this therapy, I did myself. But many parents cannot afford to pay, even a co-pay for medicine. Responsible sex is not just something a woman needs to consider. Men can say - it's not my problem you got prenant, I'm outta here, because it's the kind of thinking that a lot of men have. The woman gets slammed both, because she didn't use birth control and because she wants to use birth control. MAKE UP YOUR F..NG MINE MEN. BC is NEVER an issue for only a woman or only a man, there is much more to consider. Those who strongly oppose abortion must also consider that fewer would occur if (the more responsible party) which men seem to be claiming should be a woman, preempts the situation with birth control. But there still that narrow mindset that only women have illicit sex while men are some invisible second party to the act. EDIT: Let's not forget that pregnancy can also be an accident due to the failure of BC of any kind. We cannot be the judge of such situations (as being an accident or not)and because all medical issues are a private matter - there should never be an unknown nosey party telling anyone that abortion should be illegal. Abortion is either a legal medical procedure, subject to all the privacy laws over medical procedure, or it is something that is subject prdominantly to a male court review. Those should NEVER be the only two choices in a country that considers half the population (women) equal to the other half. I think there is a third option here, opposition or not that abortion is not merely a 'medical procedure', but an action against a human life,,,, in a country where some MIGHT consider that there is a third 'party' involved which is 'equal' to any other human life we try to protect,,,, as to whether men use protection or not, is a concern for the men, I agree but neither the man or the woman can claim they had no other options when a pregnancy occurs..... there is always the option NOT TO SLEEP WITH EACH OTHER,,,,, and if that is just too hard to do, a man should be spending what it costs him for that cup of coffee at starbucks to diminish the chance that a life may be created and obliterated behind a moment of lust or desire and a woman should likewise pay that 50 bucks a month to make sure of that same thing the issue , I think, for most is not that the option is there or that people use it,,,,, the issue is that of who has responsibility to PAY for someone to use that option in such a highly VOLUNTARY type of situation,,,, |
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He said Obama called Fluke to express disappointment about the attacks and "thank her" for exercising her right to speak out. Where was the outrage and phone call to Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut? Oh wait Laura is a conservative talk show host so it's ok to demean her. |
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You believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? Did you even pay attention to Sandra Fluke's story, or are you assuming Rush is giving you all the info you need? I do believe women have the right to choose if they use it. I also believe they have a right to pay for it. (and not ask it of me). For my woman I would be willing to pay for a part (if she did not want a child). Yet Mr. Rush was rude in the way he said it. It is still important to note. If she was my daughter I would expect her to be at study in that time of her life. and not bouncing on beds. No insult intended. Where did she ask you to pay for it? Can you show me that? |
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Edited by
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Sat 03/03/12 10:53 AM
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You believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? Did you even pay attention to Sandra Fluke's story, or are you assuming Rush is giving you all the info you need? Doesn't matter. Someone or company shouldn't be forced to provide birth control for a woman if it's against their values, religion or beliefs. You made the comment about how she should keep her legs closed. Do you realize she was talking about using birth control for a medical reason? What does that have to do with keeping her legs closed? You also didn't answer the question. Do you believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? What medical reasons do women use birth control for? http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/birth-control-pill-4228.htm What Are the Benefits of Birth Control Pills? Women who do not need birth control often choose to take the pill for the other benefits it offers. Combination and progestin-only pills reduce menstrual cramps make periods lighter offer some protection against pelvic inflammatory disease, which often leads to infertility when left untreated The combination pill offers many other benefits, including some protection against acne bone thinning breast growths that are not cancer ectopic pregnancy endometrial and ovarian cancers serious infection in the ovaries, tubes, and uterus iron deficiency anemia cysts in the breasts and ovaries premenstrual symptoms, including headaches and depression bad cramps heavy and/or irregular periods |
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He said Obama called Fluke to express disappointment about the attacks and "thank her" for exercising her right to speak out. Where was the outrage and phone call to Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut? Oh wait Laura is a conservative talk show host so it's ok to demean her. because someone does something sometimes for some people doesnt mean they should be expected to do it all the time for EVERY person perhaps he heard more about this and felt empathy for the girls medical condition? I personally hadnt heard a thing about either of those mentioned in this thread until I read it we sometimes assume that because we are aware of some 'news' item , that everyone else is,,, when it is often not the case |
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He said Obama called Fluke to express disappointment about the attacks and "thank her" for exercising her right to speak out. Where was the outrage and phone call to Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut? Oh wait Laura is a conservative talk show host so it's ok to demean her. On the May 5th, 2011 edition of the Laura Ingraham Show, Ingraham compared looking at Janet Napolitano to looking at gruesome pictures of Osama bin Laden's corpse. Ingraham also made the statement that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi '...did everything but sell her body to get the healthcare bill passed.' She's also took some pretty vicious swipes at Pelosi's looks and Obama's family. Knowing this, why would Obama phone someone who is so openly hostile and uncivil? I don't listen to Ed Schultz, but I think it was very inappropriate for him to call Ingraham such names. He did apologize for his remarks and if I remember correctly, he was suspended for a time. As far as I know, Ingraham has never apologized for any of her inappropriate comments. Nor, I suspect, will Limbaugh apologize for his. And he certainly won't get suspended. Pot/kettle? -Kerry O. |
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Okay, I want some input on this idea.
We are discussing the Government mandating that insurance companies offer birth control pills. How about decoupling Job and Insurance and allow us to buy it across state lines? Why is it that I have dozens of choices of car / home / boat / renters insurance, but no choices in medical insurance? Shouldn't we be able to buy insurance to cover the things we want? Allowing women to get birth control pills will raise my premium too. Allowing men to get Viagra also effects my premium. I shouldn't have to pay for any product or service that I don't use. Also, insurance prices (and healthcare prices) are effected by judgement amounts in lawsuits. Shouldn't we put a reasonable cap on damages? So what I'm saying is this: * Decouple Job and Insurance * Allow Insurance to be purchased across state lines * Ala Cart Insurance, customized to what the consumer wants. * Cap in court damages |
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He said Obama called Fluke to express disappointment about the attacks and "thank her" for exercising her right to speak out. Where was the outrage and phone call to Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut? Oh wait Laura is a conservative talk show host so it's ok to demean her. On the May 5th, 2011 edition of the Laura Ingraham Show, Ingraham compared looking at Janet Napolitano to looking at gruesome pictures of Osama bin Laden's corpse. Ingraham also made the statement that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi '...did everything but sell her body to get the healthcare bill passed.' She's also took some pretty vicious swipes at Pelosi's looks and Obama's family. Knowing this, why would Obama phone someone who is so openly hostile and uncivil? I don't listen to Ed Schultz, but I think it was very inappropriate for him to call Ingraham such names. He did apologize for his remarks and if I remember correctly, he was suspended for a time. As far as I know, Ingraham has never apologized for any of her inappropriate comments. Nor, I suspect, will Limbaugh apologize for his. And he certainly won't get suspended. Pot/kettle? -Kerry O. And Fluke is a feminist activist but she is on the side of Obama. What about the things Bill Maher said about Sarah Palin? It's all just a dog and pony show. Oh look obama really cares about this woman. He just did it for the looks of him "caring" when all its for is to push his agenda. And Rush did apologize not that it makes any difference you all will just say he didn't mean it. |
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Okay, I want some input on this idea. We are discussing the Government mandating that insurance companies offer birth control pills. How about decoupling Job and Insurance and allow us to buy it across state lines? Why is it that I have dozens of choices of car / home / boat / renters insurance, but no choices in medical insurance? Shouldn't we be able to buy insurance to cover the things we want? Allowing women to get birth control pills will raise my premium too. Allowing men to get Viagra also effects my premium. I shouldn't have to pay for any product or service that I don't use. Also, insurance prices (and healthcare prices) are effected by judgement amounts in lawsuits. Shouldn't we put a reasonable cap on damages? So what I'm saying is this: * Decouple Job and Insurance * Allow Insurance to be purchased across state lines * Ala Cart Insurance, customized to what the consumer wants. * Cap in court damages Because that makes to much sense and doesn't get the dems closer to a one payer government run health system. |
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He said Obama called Fluke to express disappointment about the attacks and "thank her" for exercising her right to speak out. Where was the outrage and phone call to Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut? Oh wait Laura is a conservative talk show host so it's ok to demean her. On the May 5th, 2011 edition of the Laura Ingraham Show, Ingraham compared looking at Janet Napolitano to looking at gruesome pictures of Osama bin Laden's corpse. Ingraham also made the statement that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi '...did everything but sell her body to get the healthcare bill passed.' She's also took some pretty vicious swipes at Pelosi's looks and Obama's family. Knowing this, why would Obama phone someone who is so openly hostile and uncivil? I don't listen to Ed Schultz, but I think it was very inappropriate for him to call Ingraham such names. He did apologize for his remarks and if I remember correctly, he was suspended for a time. As far as I know, Ingraham has never apologized for any of her inappropriate comments. Nor, I suspect, will Limbaugh apologize for his. And he certainly won't get suspended. Pot/kettle? -Kerry O. And Fluke is a feminist activist but she is on the side of Obama. What about the things Bill Maher said about Sarah Palin? It's all just a dog and pony show. Oh look obama really cares about this woman. He just did it for the looks of him "caring" when all its for is to push his agenda. And Rush did apologize not that it makes any difference you all will just say he didn't mean it. Had a Politician gal friend once. She profiled professionally. She told me it is always about politics. All politicians jump at any opportunity to profile hoping it will advance their agenda. Barry, IMO, is about as sincere in his caring about the woman as Rush was in his apology. They both got what they wanted. Ratings. |
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He said Obama called Fluke to express disappointment about the attacks and "thank her" for exercising her right to speak out. Where was the outrage and phone call to Laura Ingraham when Ed Schultz called her a slut? Oh wait Laura is a conservative talk show host so it's ok to demean her. On the May 5th, 2011 edition of the Laura Ingraham Show, Ingraham compared looking at Janet Napolitano to looking at gruesome pictures of Osama bin Laden's corpse. Ingraham also made the statement that then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi '...did everything but sell her body to get the healthcare bill passed.' She's also took some pretty vicious swipes at Pelosi's looks and Obama's family. Knowing this, why would Obama phone someone who is so openly hostile and uncivil? I don't listen to Ed Schultz, but I think it was very inappropriate for him to call Ingraham such names. He did apologize for his remarks and if I remember correctly, he was suspended for a time. As far as I know, Ingraham has never apologized for any of her inappropriate comments. Nor, I suspect, will Limbaugh apologize for his. And he certainly won't get suspended. Pot/kettle? -Kerry O. And Fluke is a feminist activist but she is on the side of Obama. What about the things Bill Maher said about Sarah Palin? It's all just a dog and pony show. Oh look obama really cares about this woman. He just did it for the looks of him "caring" when all its for is to push his agenda. And Rush did apologize not that it makes any difference you all will just say he didn't mean it. Are you going to tell us that Rush actually meant the apology? And that he was trying to be humorous when he insulted her? |
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You believe women who use birth control for any reason are sluts? Did you even pay attention to Sandra Fluke's story, or are you assuming Rush is giving you all the info you need? I do believe women have the right to choose if they use it. I also believe they have a right to pay for it. (and not ask it of me). For my woman I would be willing to pay for a part (if she did not want a child). Yet Mr. Rush was rude in the way he said it. It is still important to note. If she was my daughter I would expect her to be at study in that time of her life. and not bouncing on beds. No insult intended. Where did she ask you to pay for it? Can you show me that? Aye... Health Care Mandate. Government does nothing without taxing. Ergo. I am paying for her choices if this comes to pass. but what was done by a portion of the Government in USING this young lady is dispicable. Every Politician involved knows that the underlying problem is the attack the law allows on the Bill of Rights. and they spin from both sides so the truth is hidden in the clouds of smoke. |
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Okay, I want some input on this idea. We are discussing the Government mandating that insurance companies offer birth control pills. How about decoupling Job and Insurance and allow us to buy it across state lines? Why is it that I have dozens of choices of car / home / boat / renters insurance, but no choices in medical insurance? Shouldn't we be able to buy insurance to cover the things we want? Allowing women to get birth control pills will raise my premium too. Allowing men to get Viagra also effects my premium. I shouldn't have to pay for any product or service that I don't use. Also, insurance prices (and healthcare prices) are effected by judgement amounts in lawsuits. Shouldn't we put a reasonable cap on damages? So what I'm saying is this: * Decouple Job and Insurance * Allow Insurance to be purchased across state lines * Ala Cart Insurance, customized to what the consumer wants. * Cap in court damages only if wages are increased to make up for the power the insurance companies will hold to create even more ridiculous prices for individual policies.... |
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I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys? Fluke is s feminist lawyer so I'm sure she has no agenda. And if 90% of women have used birth control it doesn't seem to me that there is any problem with women getting birth control. Why is this even an issue then? It should be provided to women free. Dental check ups should be free. Breast exams should be free. How will it be free? Someone has to pay for it. What about unwanted STD's caused by more promiscuous women because they are on the pill and don't have to worry about getting pregnant. That's not gonna cost anything either? Don't those women have to be sleeping with infected men not using contraceptives themselves?? Isn't it just as much the man's decision on whether to use a prophylactic as it is the woman's?? And aren't the men spreading it too? And, BTW prophylactics are provided to men for free everyday.....they just choose not to get them or use them. Using condoms is absolutely a choice a man is involved in. I don't understand the line of thinking of those who think it's all a woman's decision. |
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I have seen the reports on the news of who they had testify before congress....5 guys? Fluke is s feminist lawyer so I'm sure she has no agenda. And if 90% of women have used birth control it doesn't seem to me that there is any problem with women getting birth control. Why is this even an issue then? It should be provided to women free. Dental check ups should be free. Breast exams should be free. How will it be free? Someone has to pay for it. What about unwanted STD's caused by more promiscuous women because they are on the pill and don't have to worry about getting pregnant. That's not gonna cost anything either? Don't those women have to be sleeping with infected men not using contraceptives themselves?? Isn't it just as much the man's decision on whether to use a prophylactic as it is the woman's?? And aren't the men spreading it too? And, BTW prophylactics are provided to men for free everyday.....they just choose not to get them or use them. Using condoms is absolutely a choice a man is involved in. I don't understand the line of thinking of those who think it's all a woman's decision. I think each individual is responsible for THEIR actions, regardless of gender so a male is responsible for covering up (IF HE DOESNT WANT KIDS) and a female is responsible for either having BC or insisting the man is covered up (IF SHE DOESNT WANT KIDS) |
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