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we are all of the same race, human  Oh, good. My mechanical "human" suit is still fooling you humans.  but we also have other aesthetic categories used to describe us such as black ,white, etc,,, much of our history has shown these aesthetic categories affect the reactions others have towards and with us Yeah. Sometimes a person will see a black-colored Latina and assume that she is in the same category as non-Hispanic black-colored people who were born and raised in the USA. Is a person practicing racism by making such a false assumption about the back-colored Latina? no more than they are being sexist to assume a blonde haired beauty with breasts and long hair is a girl our eyes see and our brain categorizes, that's natural,,,, but when we JUDGE a person,, not describe their asthetics,, that is when we get into racism,,, The physical characteristics that a person is born with (or develop with puberty) do not determine what that person is like ethnically. When one assumes that a person is of X ethnicity because that person has a particular skin color, then one is judging that person according to skin color. That indeed is an act of racism. |
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we are all of the same race, human Oh, good. My mechanical "human" suit is still fooling you humans. but we also have other aesthetic categories used to describe us such as black ,white, etc,,, much of our history has shown these aesthetic categories affect the reactions others have towards and with us Yeah. Sometimes a person will see a black-colored Latina and assume that she is in the same category as non-Hispanic black-colored people who were born and raised in the USA. Is a person practicing racism by making such a false assumption about the back-colored Latina? no more than they are being sexist to assume a blonde haired beauty with breasts and long hair is a girl our eyes see and our brain categorizes, that's natural,,,, but when we JUDGE a person,, not describe their asthetics,, that is when we get into racism,,, The physical characteristics that a person is born with (or develop with puberty) do not determine what that person is like ethnically. When one assumes that a person is of X ethnicity because that person has a particular skin color, then one is judging that person according to skin color. That indeed is an act of racism. ok, so than I Am sexist and racist in my descriptions, if that's your definition because I also assume a person is of x gender because that person has certain physical attributes ,,,,,, but that has little to do with the type of racism Im really discussing in this thread,,, |
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I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but excuse me for asking a dumb question. Why all the talk about racism when both of these people are the same race? It doesn't make much sense. Speaking for myself JB.. I started this thread because today from watching the trial. I could not believe what I was hearing when the young woman last year said she never wanted to get involved and the Family of Trayvon who was killed asked her to (in brief summary) to do a phone interview with their lawyer about what happened. she agreed. she thought only the lawyer and the mother and father was their and it was for them. no one else.. she then learns from a friends phone call to her they heard her voice on TV.. A press conference by the Lawyer, Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton ect which caused protest all over the country. she never agreed to this nor did she have any understandingtany That just goes to show you that you should never trust a lawyer. What "she thought" was incredibly naive. Why would she even think that this interview was "just for them, no one else?" Didn't she know that an interview via a telephone would almost certainly be recorded? If so, did they actually tell her that this interview would be confidential? Probably not. In fact, they probably told her it would be recorded. Let this be a lesson to EVERYONE. Never consent to that sort of thing, especially over the phone!!!! Don't be stupid. I agree.. no she knew she was being recorded and she did it reluctantly. she is a kid.. still in HS they got her to do what they wanted her to do.. she said she did not even tell them everything.. she basically told them some and what she thought they probally wanted to hear. Zimmerman had not been indited and this lawyer , Jesse and Sharpton took it and ran.. I personally believe if Zimmerman would not been arrested after this Press conference a riot somewhere might of started.. we know protest started all over the nation.. Inciting a RIOT is serious business. and I hope all involved using this CHILD will be held accountable. This is what the Powerful do. this is how they make names for themselves when they should be in PRISON no riots were incited, the parents asked for some justice,, it wasn't anything criminal about that,,, I never said it caused a riot..I said they used a child who did not understand.. That's why we have so many child protective laws/services. she told them she was 16 when she was 18 now she is 19 and in the 12th grade. so the lawyers had checked her out or they never would of did this. that's how they got away with it.. like JB said they can lie to her, lawyers are very good at getting u to say what they want you to say. and her state of mind they used. Sharpton left his mothers funeral to make the press conference. PROTEST happened all over this country.. What I said if the police/govt. would not of arrested/indited Zimmerman very likely a riot somewhere could of broke out. MY BEEF IS WITH THE LAWYER, SHARPTON AND JACKSON. I believe Zimmerman will be found innocent. Then them interfering very well maybe why he gets off.. Either way I hope they get investigated and all the people who PROTESTED before come out and PROTEST to get them indited!!!!! how was she 'used'? she gave a testimony that was pertinent since she was the last to speak to the victim..... She was nieve. She did not understand. They did. she did not have a lawyer. the lawyer used the system.. understood what I am sure he felt he could get away with. She thought she was helping the family and did not want any publicity. she did not understand.. I call that taking advantage of a child for Adult gain. Jackson and al jumped all over this.. How were they involved. I do not like trickery.. I would hope no one does.. but some see that as a way of doing business |
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I didn't read all of the posts in this thread, but excuse me for asking a dumb question. Why all the talk about racism when both of these people are the same race? It doesn't make much sense. Speaking for myself JB.. I started this thread because today from watching the trial. I could not believe what I was hearing when the young woman last year said she never wanted to get involved and the Family of Trayvon who was killed asked her to (in brief summary) to do a phone interview with their lawyer about what happened. she agreed. she thought only the lawyer and the mother and father was their and it was for them. no one else.. she then learns from a friends phone call to her they heard her voice on TV.. A press conference by the Lawyer, Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton ect which caused protest all over the country. she never agreed to this nor did she have any understandingtany That just goes to show you that you should never trust a lawyer. What "she thought" was incredibly naive. Why would she even think that this interview was "just for them, no one else?" Didn't she know that an interview via a telephone would almost certainly be recorded? If so, did they actually tell her that this interview would be confidential? Probably not. In fact, they probably told her it would be recorded. Let this be a lesson to EVERYONE. Never consent to that sort of thing, especially over the phone!!!! Don't be stupid. I agree.. no she knew she was being recorded and she did it reluctantly. she is a kid.. still in HS they got her to do what they wanted her to do.. she said she did not even tell them everything.. she basically told them some and what she thought they probally wanted to hear. Zimmerman had not been indited and this lawyer , Jesse and Sharpton took it and ran.. I personally believe if Zimmerman would not been arrested after this Press conference a riot somewhere might of started.. we know protest started all over the nation.. Inciting a RIOT is serious business. and I hope all involved using this CHILD will be held accountable. This is what the Powerful do. this is how they make names for themselves when they should be in PRISON no riots were incited, the parents asked for some justice,, it wasn't anything criminal about that,,, I never said it caused a riot..I said they used a child who did not understand.. That's why we have so many child protective laws/services. she told them she was 16 when she was 18 now she is 19 and in the 12th grade. so the lawyers had checked her out or they never would of did this. that's how they got away with it.. like JB said they can lie to her, lawyers are very good at getting u to say what they want you to say. and her state of mind they used. Sharpton left his mothers funeral to make the press conference. PROTEST happened all over this country.. What I said if the police/govt. would not of arrested/indited Zimmerman very likely a riot somewhere could of broke out. MY BEEF IS WITH THE LAWYER, SHARPTON AND JACKSON. I believe Zimmerman will be found innocent. Then them interfering very well maybe why he gets off.. Either way I hope they get investigated and all the people who PROTESTED before come out and PROTEST to get them indited!!!!! how was she 'used'? she gave a testimony that was pertinent since she was the last to speak to the victim..... She was nieve. She did not understand. They did. she did not have a lawyer. the lawyer used the system.. understood what I am sure he felt he could get away with. She thought she was helping the family and did not want any publicity. she did not understand.. I call that taking advantage of a child for Adult gain. Jackson and al jumped all over this.. How were they involved. I do not like trickery.. I would hope no one does.. but some see that as a way of doing business ok I haven't heard anything about her , her name or any other identifying information throughout this whole thing until she was on the stand testifying perhaps its hard for me to understand how she was in any way 'used' or why that has anything to do with why people were upset over a young man being followed and shot on the way home from a store,,, |
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just got up and turned on cnn.. slept to long.. missed a lot .. is she a different witness today? seems different
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Damn, the defense destroyed the prosecutions star witness. I have been watching and the lead prosecutor is looking really angry and is now snapping objections when they come out. The defense already has proves she is a compulsive liar and that Martin approached Zimmerman. Next witness.
She seems different because she was destroyed on the stand yesterday and she knows they got her, that is why she is talking in a whisper and not even looking at them when they talk to her. All signs of deception BTW. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 06/27/13 09:50 AM
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just got up and turned on cnn.. slept to long.. missed a lot .. is she a different witness today? seems different maybe better rested, but not for long,, I commend her stamina I am not a child of immigrants and have pretty fair grasp of 'proper english',,,,and I would be getting frustrated about now with all the questions asked and answered five or six different times,,, and all the attempts to put words in her mouth ,,,,,, especially the attempt to sneak in an 'martin approached Zimmerman, correct?'...lol which she is consistently answering no,,, Zimmerman was BEHIND / CLOSE to treyvon already, not requiring him to 'approach',,,,,zimmerman |
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Damn, the defense destroyed the prosecutions star witness. I have been watching and the lead prosecutor is looking really angry and is now snapping objections when they come out. The defense already has proves she is a compulsive liar and that Martin approached Zimmerman. Next witness. She seems different because she was destroyed on the stand yesterday and she knows they got her, that is why she is talking in a whisper and not even looking at them when they talk to her. All signs of deception BTW. TY// Just wondering.. as soon as I turned it on it just seemed different.. Thanks |
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one good thing I c coming out of this trial and surely this will be address by the state.
She is in 12th grade and has said she can not read or write cursive writing and had to have a friend write a letter for her. I don't know about u but I had to be able to in grade school.. this shows that schools will pass students to get them through school whether they are learning or not. what do u think? |
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one good thing I c coming out of this trial and surely this will be address by the state. She is in 12th grade and has said she can not read or write cursive writing and had to have a friend write a letter for her. I don't know about u but I had to be able to in grade school.. this shows that schools will pass students to get them through school whether they are learning or not. what do u think? Her grammar is improper. Therefore it's not surprising. |
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one good thing I c coming out of this trial and surely this will be address by the state. She is in 12th grade and has said she can not read or write cursive writing and had to have a friend write a letter for her. I don't know about u but I had to be able to in grade school.. this shows that schools will pass students to get them through school whether they are learning or not. what do u think? Her grammar is improper. Therefore it's not surprising. This is true |
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one good thing I c coming out of this trial and surely this will be address by the state. She is in 12th grade and has said she can not read or write cursive writing and had to have a friend write a letter for her. I don't know about u but I had to be able to in grade school.. this shows that schools will pass students to get them through school whether they are learning or not. what do u think? I dont know if schools are putting priority on cursive writing as long as students can write,, or type but, if she is unable to read even in print,, thats definitely an issue |
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It is the job of a defense attorney to challenge the credibility of a witness for the prosecution.
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Busted: Teen witness in George Zimmerman trial can’t read own letter A teenage girl who was called to testify in the prosecution of George Zimmerman for second-degree murder was caught in a curious predicament Thursday after it became evident she couldn’t read from the very letter she claimed to have written to the mother of her friend Trayvon Martin. In court, Rachel Jeantel was trying to read from what she said was a letter she sent to Martin’s mother describing the last few moments of his life, which she claimed she heard on the phone. But she stumbled badly, ABC reported. SEE RELATED: ‘We going to hell for smoke on Sunday’: Twitter account scrubbed in Zimmerman case Mr. Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Don West, finally asked, “Are you able to read that at all?” Ms. Jeantel, 19, said in a whisper with her head down: “Some but not all. I don’t read cursive.” The courtroom quieted in shock, ABC said. Ms. Jeantel couldn’t read anything on the letter she claimed to write — except for her name, ABC reported. The line of questioning was aimed at vetting Ms. Jeantel’s testimony for truthfulness. She is a key prosecution witness in the trial of 29-year-old Mr. Zimmerman, charged in the February 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin. She is believed to be the last person to speak with Martin before he died, ABC reported. Mr. West spent two hours questioning her on the stand on Wednesday, accusing her on several occasions of lying under oath. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/busted-teen-witness-george-zimmerman-trial-cant-re/ |
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Wow that totally blew her testimony that she wrote it out of the water. Not only that, the people that put her up to committing perjury should be arrested!!!!!!
THAT IS TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS. What a bunch of corrupt crap. Zimmerman should be acquitted immediately. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wow that totally blew her testimony that she wrote it out of the water. Not only that, the people that put her up to committing perjury should be arrested!!!!!! THAT IS TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS. What a bunch of corrupt crap. Zimmerman should be acquitted immediately. what testimony did she give saying she wrote the letter? or what proof is there that she didnt? I have not been able to read my own writing on times,, its a mountain out of a molehill to try ANYTHING to discredit a witness and I understand thats the laywers job,, yet if they had proven perjury she would be arrested right now there was no 'testimony' from her mouth that I or the lawyers are aware of,,,,,that has been exposed as perjury,,especially since they half the time cant truly UNDERSTAND her answers,,,,its just as easily their error in LISTENING,,,,as anything else,,, but, I understand, its the lawyers job to keep reaching,,,,lol |
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Wow that totally blew her testimony that she wrote it out of the water. Not only that, the people that put her up to committing perjury should be arrested!!!!!! THAT IS TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS. What a bunch of corrupt crap. Zimmerman should be acquitted immediately. what testimony did she give saying she wrote the letter? or what proof is there that she didnt? I have not been able to read my own writing on times,, its a mountain out of a molehill to try ANYTHING to discredit a witness and I understand thats the laywers job,, yet if they had proven perjury she would be arrested right now there was no 'testimony' from her mouth that I or the lawyers are aware of,,,,,that has been exposed as perjury,,especially since they half the time cant truly UNDERSTAND her answers,,,,its just as easily their error in LISTENING,,,,as anything else,,, but, I understand, its the lawyers job to keep reaching,,,,lol She had told authorities that she wrote the letter. Then she could not read the letter she supposedly wrote and stated that she could not read "cursive" If she can't read cursive, then she did not write the letter. Some schools don't teach cursive anymore. So the new generations will not be able to read cursive. |
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but, I understand, its the lawyers job to keep reaching,,,,lol Keep reaching??? This lawyer not only 'reached' he grabbed it by the throat and strangled it to death. Her credibility is completely shot. She is lying through her teeth and someone PUT HER UP TO IT. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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FOR THOSE OF YOU who don't bother to click on the links given:
"In court, Rachel Jeantel was trying to read from what she said was a letter she sent to Martin’s mother describing the last few moments of his life, which she claimed she heard on the phone. But she stumbled badly, ABC reported." Mr. Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Don West, finally asked, “Are you able to read that at all?” Ms. Jeantel, 19, said in a whisper with her head down: “Some but not all. I don’t read cursive.” The courtroom quieted in shock, ABC said. Ms. Jeantel couldn’t read anything on the letter she claimed to write — except for her name, ABC reported. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/busted-teen-witness-george-zimmerman-trial-cant-re/#ixzz2XT4yUpgn Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter Read more:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/busted-teen-witness-george-zimmerman-trial-cant-re/ |
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