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its really not about whether natural is bad,, its about appropriate ways to be 'natural' pooping is 'natural' but people dont want to witness others doing it, and it takes little effort to agree on an 'appropriate' place to be natural in that case scratching an itch in a sensitive area is 'natural' too, but also something that seems a bit tacky to do in front of others ,,its just a matter of consideration for others in HOW we do 'natural' things,,,,nothing about whether they are bad things or not,, Your first example is a matter of health and welfare - bodily waste is not meant to be shared. Your second is a question of propriety and self-restraint. Feeding a hungry child is an imperative. Where's the correlation? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 05/24/15 09:03 PM
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its really not about whether natural is bad,, its about appropriate ways to be 'natural' pooping is 'natural' but people dont want to witness others doing it, and it takes little effort to agree on an 'appropriate' place to be natural in that case scratching an itch in a sensitive area is 'natural' too, but also something that seems a bit tacky to do in front of others ,,its just a matter of consideration for others in HOW we do 'natural' things,,,,nothing about whether they are bad things or not,, Your first example is a matter of health and welfare - bodily waste is not meant to be shared. Your second is a question of propriety and self-restraint. Feeding a hungry child is an imperative. Where's the correlation? its not necessarily a matter of health or welfare men can go pee behind a tree, and peeing is natural, but that doesnt mean it is therefore behoven upon me to agree to WATCH them whip it out and do whats natural right in front of me,,, feeding a child is imperative, and it doesnt cause harm to the child to do it in a manner that is considerate of your surroundings, the point is something being 'natural' doesnt mean people should or want to have to look at it when there are ways to do it that take others into consideration,,, |
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we can pretend its the same situation, but its not IMO, you're mistaken. The other alternatives you've described HAVE alternatives. A mom that chooses to breastfeed has made a different choice, that's all. Again, if it rubs folks' fur the wrong way, they have a choice, too - pay attention to something else. |
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The thought, the very idea, that someone ought to 'hide' while caring for their offspring to protect the tender sensibilities of others is just ludicrous in my eyes.
If they aren't adult enough to deal with it, that's THEIR problem - not mom's, not the child's, not society's. |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Sun 05/24/15 09:10 PM
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What's wrong with a freaking blanket to cover up? That would be the considerate thing IMO. If it is in public, it makes it the publics business.
I don't have a desire to bond with strangers that way. I also posted that the baby might enjoy the blanket. |
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we can pretend its the same situation, but its not IMO, you're mistaken. The other alternatives you've described HAVE alternatives. A mom that chooses to breastfeed has made a different choice, that's all. Again, if it rubs folks' fur the wrong way, they have a choice, too - pay attention to something else. imo it is not I that is mistaken , there is ALWAYS choice and its not about choosing to breastfeed, its about choosing HOW TO GO ABOUT breastfeeding I have several in my family who have breastfed and there was no issue to simply cover their breast while doing so,,,, |
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What's wrong with a freaking blanket to cover up? That would be the considerate thing IMO. If it is in public, it makes it the publics business. I don't have a desire to bond with strangers that way. I also posted that the baby might enjoy the blanket. 
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What's wrong with a freaking blanket to cover up? That would be the considerate thing IMO. If it is in public, it makes it the publics business. I don't have a desire to bond with strangers that way. I also posted that the baby might enjoy the blanket. I know. I will go to my corner lol Wonder how these women (breast feeding uncovered) would feel of strangers sat and watched |
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If that's Mom's choice, that's fine. She can choose to cover or not. No quibble.
It's Mom's choice, though. At the end of the day, she's the one that is responsible for the child's care, in this situation. If she's comfy with it, the baby's comfy with it, the only people that aren't simply don't count. Look Somewhere Else Holy cow. |
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Discrimination: The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. You can look it up yourself if you like ....I did, and I posted other definitions,,, Yes, and I respond to each in kind. If people want to argue that this anatomy  has no difference from this anatomy  ,,,,, there really is not much that can be done or said to help that person,,, I'm not saying they are not different. In Fact I agreed with you they are different. However, the response to the male and female images shown from people that would respond to these images are equal. In fact it would still be equal if the woman didn't have the top on. Women (and gay men) respond to shirtless men the same way Men (and lesbians) respond to the to a topless women. This is what I was explaining with my response to the first definition you provided. "the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently " While the body parts may look different. The only anatomical difference is a layer of fat (or in this case more likely saline) over the muscle that provides the shape. If there was no layer of fat a woman's breast would look much like a man's pectoral muscles. Therefore, it seems you are really discriminating against a layer of fat. It has become obvious you will not change your option based on logic and reason. You are using your emotional response to justify your option. So bit it. However, it's not against the law. Therefore, Women can breastfeed in public as they wish until the law changes. Therefore, neither of our options matter in the grand scheme of things. For this particular topic on this particular forum both of our options matter, but I believe this discussion has ran it's course. I offer you the chance to get the last word in as I will not respond to it. I believe that to be only fair. Thank you for the lively debate. I look forward to the next time we can have a energetic and civil discussion. |
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lol yellow, love it
I have to remember that, if its so natural and no big deal,, perhaps I will just sit and stare when I see it,,,lol |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 05/24/15 09:34 PM
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Discrimination: The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. You can look it up yourself if you like ....I did, and I posted other definitions,,, Yes, and I respond to each in kind. If people want to argue that this anatomy has no difference from this anatomy ,,,,, there really is not much that can be done or said to help that person,,, I'm not saying they are not different. In Fact I agreed with you they are different. However, the response to the male and female images shown from people that would respond to these images are equal. In fact it would still be equal if the woman didn't have the top on. Women (and gay men) respond to shirtless men the same way Men (and lesbians) respond to the to a topless women. This is what I was explaining with my response to the first definition you provided. "the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently " While the body parts may look different. The only anatomical difference is a layer of fat (or in this case more likely saline) over the muscle that provides the shape. If there was no layer of fat a woman's breast would look much like a man's pectoral muscles. Therefore, it seems you are really discriminating against a layer of fat. It has become obvious you will not change your option based on logic and reason. You are using your emotional response to justify your option. So bit it. However, it's not against the law. Therefore, Women can breastfeed in public as they wish until the law changes. Therefore, neither of our options matter in the grand scheme of things. For this particular topic on this particular forum both of our options matter, but I believe this discussion has ran it's course. I offer you the chance to get the last word in as I will not respond to it. I believe that to be only fair. Thank you for the lively debate. I look forward to the next time we can have a energetic and civil discussion. and IF a rat had wings it would be a BAT but bats and rats are not the same thing either,,, and men should probably not be where food is being served without a shirt on either,,,, just for the record |
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If that's Mom's choice, that's fine. She can choose to cover or not. No quibble. It's Mom's choice, though. At the end of the day, she's the one that is responsible for the child's care, in this situation. If she's comfy with it, the baby's comfy with it, the only people that aren't simply don't count. Look Somewhere Else Holy cow. Why should other people's feelings not matter? Why not just be considerate to those that might be uncomfortable with it? It's not just the choice involving the mom. In a public place, the public has a say too. In a business, the business has a say. Mom's can completely take off her shirt in her own home if she wants to, but if it's in public...it makes it the publics business too. Holy cow |
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lol yellow, love it I have to remember that, if its so natural and no big deal,, perhaps I will just sit and stare when I see it,,,lol Happened to my sister once and she used a blanket. Quite creepy IMO. But it makes you wonder if the mom would complain if strangers watched |
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My feeling has always been that my nursing my infants was suppose to be about their needs and comfort in the cleanest place possible with the least distractions possible. Then they fully nurse and have a quality feeding.
I am sorry but too often I have seen Mother's take filthy hands handle their nipple and put those same dirty hands in the child's mouth trying to force them to latch on when they are not interested. They try to make a big show of nursing weather the child showed any need or interest in feeding or not and rarely do they allow the child to fully feed. Often why the milk dries up or the breasts become infected. Or worse they baby developes and infection. Covering a nursing infant also means that they can have less anxiety and allergens such as tobacco smoke, pollen, or exhaust. A Mother that feeds as and excuse for attention, to get a seat, to get out of doing something, or to pacify a wailing child that may or may not be hungry as their go too solution will have a baby that is poorly nourished and doesn't wean when they are mature enough to sip from a cup. Photographing a young child while nursing is more likely to disrupt the nursing session or wake up a naturally sleepy baby after a vigorous feeding. To me a real Mother would discourage it than make a photo shoot out of it. |
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Most resturants require shirts (men too) No shoes, no shirt, no service. I get it is a special bonding moment. I think it's great. But I don't feel the need to bond in the special moment with strangers. Plus when I see ot in resturants (or most places) the mother is busy talking to others or whatever. A blanket over the baby also helps keep some of the distraction out for the baby, makes it warm and less light to help sleep. Heck I wish I had a blanket a lot of times to put over my head Posted again. I agree PacificStar I also think it is being considerate to those around you as well. A blankie is a win win |
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Why should other people's feelings not matter? Why not just be considerate to those that might be uncomfortable with it? It's not just the choice involving the mom. In a public place, the public has a say too. In a business, the business has a say. Mom's can completely take off her shirt in her own home if she wants to, but if it's in public...it makes it the publics business too. Holy cow The answer to that for me was that I was more concerned with my child's well-being than the nearsighted opinion of the public's. I'm responsible for my kid's care. I'm not responsible for other's opinions. When my wife chose to cover, I was ok with that. When she didn't/couldn't, I was ok with that, too. I was proud of her courage. I'm ok with modesty. I'm not ok with my child being hungry or my better half being seen as some sort of 'creature' because others are squeamish. |
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Edited by
yellowrose10
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Sun 05/24/15 09:41 PM
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Why should other people's feelings not matter? Why not just be considerate to those that might be uncomfortable with it? It's not just the choice involving the mom. In a public place, the public has a say too. In a business, the business has a say. Mom's can completely take off her shirt in her own home if she wants to, but if it's in public...it makes it the publics business too. Holy cow The answer to that for me was that I was more concerned with my child's well-being than the nearsighted opinion of the public's. I'm responsible for my kid's care. I'm not responsible for other's opinions. When my wife chose to cover, I was ok with that. When she didn't/couldn't, I was ok with that, too. I was proud of her courage. I'm ok with modesty. I'm not ok with my child being hungry or my better half being seen as some sort of 'creature' because others are squeamish. Not sure how that is courage. I'm not saying someone should go to the bathroom to breast feed or anything. The child isn't going to die from lack of milk in the time it takes for a blanket. Concern for the child is food parenting but let's face it, the child didn't stop breathing or anything It's about being considerate of others in public. Would you want strangers staring at her and watching the baby breast feed? I would be creeped out |
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I , for one, don't look at women as 'creatures'
I happen to think the female body is gorgeous and if one is nude, or partially nude, Im going to enjoy its sheer beauty I'm probably going to even be distracted by its presence near or around me not a situation that is really conducive to trying to enjoy a meal with others,,,,, its not a big deal to cover up, and mothers usually go out prepared for what they might need for their kid,, including a cover up in case baby needs to eat if they are breastfeeding,,, |
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