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Topic: Bill Cosby - Guilty
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Sun 07/12/15 06:56 PM




doubt he will die in pain, he has given too
much to charity
Yep.....been awfully charitable with pills and his peen, it seems.


those are still allegations

Im speaking about actual contributions that are quantifiable and on record,,,

he and camille have been incredible philanthropists in their time,,,


...to buy their own conscience...






if only philanthropy was restricted to those without conscience or need for conscience,,,lol


I guess the money is distinguishable in the good it does,,,laugh


it depends on how and why you use it. so yes.

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Sun 07/12/15 06:58 PM
so if you were starving on the street,, would you care if the stranger was giving you money because they argued with their wife, or with nothing at all on their conscious?

doubtful,,,

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Sun 07/12/15 07:08 PM








doubt he will die in pain, he has given too
much to charity
Yep.....been awfully charitable with pills and his peen, it seems.


those are still allegations

Im speaking about actual contributions that are quantifiable and on record,,,

he and camille have been incredible philanthropists in their time,,,



We he certainly was with the pills.. that's for sure




thats true, he did run with drug users and partiers,,,,the 'playboy mansion' types,,,


excuse me... He admitted under oath to purchasing the pills with the intent to drug women. His words. Don't try top spin it into sounding like he was at a party and some drugs were being passed around for all to enjoy. He left the house in the morning with them or took them with him on trips with one intent in mind.

That is pre mediated. He also stated under oath that he did not use drugs, meaning the 7 prescriptions ( at least) of the extremely strong (now outlawed) barbiturate drug were intended solely for his victims.

The vast majority of these women were drugged unconscious and raped not at the playboy mansion , but at his hotel or home. Lured there under false pretenses.



excuse me, he admitted to purchasing the pills to 'give' women,,,,his words, no spin


he did have them intending to give them to women, who accepted them
qualuudes have a long history, they were common in the sixties and seventies party scene,,,,, we could call all who used them 'victims' but thats not exactly the whole truth,,,,

the majority of these women accepted drink and or drug from him in some private situation and passed out,, whether they were 'raped' is something they only recently considered or alleged THREE DECADES later

I dont know what pretense there is when a man invites you to his room (hotel, or otherwise) alone at night and offers you drinks and drugs,,









Oh.I see, so the good Dr. Huxtable just happened to have knock out drugs with him just in case any woman felt the urge to be rendered unconscious for a few hours... public service.

And the time when he offered one victim something for her headache I guess he got the Benadryl and Quaaludes bottles mixed up.. hey.. it happens.

And the times when some victims woke up 1/2 dressed and confused, I guess the drug just fell into the drink.. he's such a clumsy guy Lol

now it makes sense.. I had him all wrong.. what a caring thoughtful man !






As a result of its potency at getting people off-their-face high, Quaaludes became rampantly abused in the late '70s and '80s. Second only to marijuana as a recreational drug of choice, it was allegedly available for around �1-4 per pill on the street. Prescription abuse became rampant, and so did counterfeit 'ludes being shipped into the US from South America. In 1980, just 30 million legal Quaaludes were produced by the manufacturer; the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) reckoned that in the same year, 40 million fake 'ludes hit the streets.

As a party drug, it was wildly popular: 'luding out', or combining Quaaludes and booze to experience a whole new kind of lying-on-the-floor-giggling, was popular among college students; rock 'n roll also took a shine to it, with the front singer of The Tubes calling his onstage persona 'Quay Lewd'.

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2014/01/what-are-quaaludes-the-drug-wolf-of-wall-street-makes-look-so-fun/



qualuudes were a party drug,, believe whatever else you want about what happened during these private encounters with the women and Cosby,,,



Really.. on the floor giggling???

I grew up in that era too.. in NYC and Ludes were rampant. But what I remember seeing was not cheerful on the floor giggling people... it was flat out .. on the floor. Out cold people. That's why the drug was nicknamed.. DOWNS.

A kick your heels up and party hearty DOWN.. Seems like a contradiction.. Mmmm

Does anyone else who grew up in era and have experience seeing the effects of ludes remember the cheerful, giggling on the floor party atmosphere that MS is describing?...to where people who took ludes ( downs) were in fact alert, in control of themselves. or what was happening around them.

please chime in if you did... because that particular strain of Quaalude seemed to miss the entire Northeast region.


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Sun 07/12/15 07:14 PM

so if you were starving on the street,, would you care if the stranger was giving you money because they argued with their wife, or with nothing at all on their conscious?

doubtful,,,


laugh out of all the possibilities...this ^^ benign example is the one you use..? oh well...ohwell
i'm sure you know what i mean. money can be clean or dirty, not just because of where it's going, but also because of where it came from and how and why it's used. and some consciences can be silenced because of it...it may be hard to prove in a court of law, but it does happen.

anyway...this was just a commercial break. back to regular programming...


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Sun 07/12/15 07:20 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 07/12/15 07:21 PM
I agree, it is still a great show,,,,

with costars phylicia rashad and malcolm jamal going on to amazing careers in giving back,,,

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Sun 07/12/15 07:24 PM


so if you were starving on the street,, would you care if the stranger was giving you money because they argued with their wife, or with nothing at all on their conscious?

doubtful,,,


laugh out of all the possibilities...this ^^ benign example is the one you use..? oh well...ohwell
i'm sure you know what i mean. money can be clean or dirty, not just because of where it's going, but also because of where it came from and how and why it's used. and some consciences can be silenced because of it...it may be hard to prove in a court of law, but it does happen.

anyway...this was just a commercial break. back to regular programming...




This is Cosby's "it just took 1 Quaalude" pose

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Sun 07/12/15 07:38 PM



so if you were starving on the street,, would you care if the stranger was giving you money because they argued with their wife, or with nothing at all on their conscious?

doubtful,,,


laugh out of all the possibilities...this ^^ benign example is the one you use..? oh well...ohwell
i'm sure you know what i mean. money can be clean or dirty, not just because of where it's going, but also because of where it came from and how and why it's used. and some consciences can be silenced because of it...it may be hard to prove in a court of law, but it does happen.

anyway...this was just a commercial break. back to regular programming...




This is Cosby's "it just took 1 Quaalude" pose


laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 07/13/15 10:35 AM



so if you were starving on the street,, would you care if the stranger was giving you money because they argued with their wife, or with nothing at all on their conscious?

doubtful,,,


laugh out of all the possibilities...this ^^ benign example is the one you use..? oh well...ohwell
i'm sure you know what i mean. money can be clean or dirty, not just because of where it's going, but also because of where it came from and how and why it's used. and some consciences can be silenced because of it...it may be hard to prove in a court of law, but it does happen.

anyway...this was just a commercial break. back to regular programming...




This is Cosby's "it just took 1 Quaalude" pose


Hahaha drinker


Holy Mackerel, this thread is awesome!!! laugh

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Mon 07/13/15 02:50 PM
Walk of fame STAR on Hollywood Blvd.. stays.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bill-cosby-scandal/answer-no-bill-cosbys-hollywood-walk-fame-star-staying-put-n390836/

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http://www.people.com/article/judd-apatow-bill-cosby-today-show/

People Magazine

MONDAY JULY 13, 2015 12:10 PM EDT
Judd Apatow Slams Bill Cosby After Revelations in Unsealed Court

Judd Apatow Slams Bill Cosby After Revelations in Unsealed Court Documents: 'When You Go Out on a Date, You Don't Need Seven Prescriptions for Quaaludes'
Judd Apatow and Bill Cosby


BY JACQUELINE ANDRIAKOS

Judd Apatow has been vocal about condemning Bill Cosby over the countless sexual assault claims against the comedian. And a week after unsealed court documents from 2005 revealed Cosby obtained drugs to provide to women before having sex with them, Apatow has spoken out again, calling the scandal "one of the most tragic things that's happened in our business."

The 47-year-old writer-director sat down with Today anchor Willie Geist on Monday to promote his upcoming comedy Trainwreck, but he struck a more serious note during the conversation when asked about the television icon's spiraling legal drama. Cosby's lawyer, Marty Singer, has denied the allegations of sexual assault, saying in a statement in November after multiple accusers spoke out against the actor: "This is utter nonsense. People coming out of nowhere with this sort of inane yarn is what happens in a media-driven feeding frenzy."

"You have been – whether you wanted this role or not in our society – you've been the leading voice going after Bill Cosby in the wake of all these allegations by women against him. Is that something you did consciously?" Geist asked.

"Not really, but I just kept noticing that no one else was saying that this was a bad thing, and there was just such a giant vacuum. I would have loved to not talk about it, but it's incredibly sad," Apatow explained. "And I do think we have to stand up for the women and say, 'We believe you.' "

And as for Cosby, the Girls producer said, "We don't have to worry about him."

"A lot of people got terribly hurt. When you go out on a date, you don't need seven prescriptions for quaaludes. I'm in show business. Famous people can meet women without the enormous prescriptions," Apatow continued.

RELATED VIDEO: Bill Cosby's Admission Changes Everything for Accuser's Legal Case

"I think we all should be very hesitant about getting involved in anything. But when it's 40 people, it certainly is time for everybody to wake up and say, 'We should be concerned about the women.' "

Apatow also recently asked that Cosby's loyal defenders instead turn their support to the sex-assault victims now that there is concrete evidence uncovered in court excerpts from the 2005 case, in which he was accused by former Temple University employee Andrea Constand of drugging her and sexually assaulting her. (In 2005 and 2006, PEOPLE investigated Constand's allegations and interviewed numerous accusers. Through his longtime publicist, Cosby responded that he had no comment at the time.)

On Thursday, Apatow issued a series of Tweets directed at Whoopi Goldberg, asking her to accept the legal facts of the scandal rather than try to remain a "loyal friend" to Cosby.

Apatow's friend and colleague Lena Dunham also spoke out in support of his comments, Tweeting on Sunday, "I love knowing an angry hairy feminist like @JuddApatow !"

"It takes Hollywood far too long to believe survivors, and even longer to stop defending the men who make the money. A simple and sad truth," she continued in a separate Tweet.

A Chicago-based rape-survivor group has launched a White House petition encouraging the Obama administration to revoke Cosby's Presidential Medal of Freedom, a coveted honor bestowed on individuals for their contributions to society.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Thursday, "I don't know at this point whether or not it's possible," when asked if the administration could in fact rescind Cosby's 2002 medal. (It would be unprecedented to revoke a Medal of Freedom award.)

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Mon 07/13/15 03:09 PM
It was a little surprising at first that he did that when I heard about it. At first I was I was liked well it is another Michael Jackson thing I want money.I was also glad it wasn't Robbin Williams that was accused that either. I liked him as actor. That what I thought either he did it that is how I feel or you did not.Put simple if you do not want something liked that to a come back and haunt you then don't do it. I am a bit surprise that you all have not mention Stephen Collin. I mean he is a white dude and well they have not as big deal. My grandmother used to a be fan of 7th heaven. I mean I did not liked because it is unreal that is when it came family. I know she want to married a dude liked that in that show. I keep wondering to a myself if he had bat in his closet or skeleton in his closet because he seem so perfect with his show. For some reason I was happy that is he was as perfect as he portrait himself in the show. The show seem bland in my opinion. I do not mean to go off topic with you. You have wonder what is in the future for Cosby will he ever work in Hollywood again. Or will he be what is out of the job for his actions? I just hope he get what to a coming to him by actions?

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Mon 07/13/15 03:53 PM

It was a little surprising at first that he did that when I heard about it. At first I was I was liked well it is another Michael Jackson thing I want money.I was also glad it wasn't Robbin Williams that was accused that either. I liked him as actor. That what I thought either he did it that is how I feel or you did not.Put simple if you do not want something liked that to a come back and haunt you then don't do it. I am a bit surprise that you all have not mention Stephen Collin. I mean he is a white dude and well they have not as big deal. My grandmother used to a be fan of 7th heaven. I mean I did not liked because it is unreal that is when it came family. I know she want to married a dude liked that in that show. I keep wondering to a myself if he had bat in his closet or skeleton in his closet because he seem so perfect with his show. For some reason I was happy that is he was as perfect as he portrait himself in the show. The show seem bland in my opinion. I do not mean to go off topic with you. You have wonder what is in the future for Cosby will he ever work in Hollywood again. Or will he be what is out of the job for his actions? I just hope he get what to a coming to him by actions?


No Sileia, I think he's done.

Matter of fact I don't think he could get a Gig at the airport Holiday Inn

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Mon 07/13/15 05:20 PM


I haven't seen any of this on the news over here, I don't think its even been mentioned.

So can someone tell me, has he been found guilty in a court of law

I just wondered



no, its hard to depose a 78 year old man about what he did or didn't do in his thirties or forties (in detail) and non consent is equally hard to prove after that amount of time has passed.

he will probably die from the stress before any of it is brought to a court of law




they are still extraditing 100 year old men that may or may not have been within 100 miles of a concentration camp back to Germany for war crimes trials.

age means ZIP..

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Mon 07/13/15 07:22 PM



I haven't seen any of this on the news over here, I don't think its even been mentioned.

So can someone tell me, has he been found guilty in a court of law

I just wondered



no, its hard to depose a 78 year old man about what he did or didn't do in his thirties or forties (in detail) and non consent is equally hard to prove after that amount of time has passed.

he will probably die from the stress before any of it is brought to a court of law




they are still extraditing 100 year old men that may or may not have been within 100 miles of a concentration camp back to Germany for war crimes trials.

age means ZIP..


your right.

Some people feel that once you hit retirement age you should get a free pass to all that you have done wrong. That somehow, your old age resolves you of horrendous deeds... it don't work that way.

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Mon 07/13/15 07:54 PM

It was a little surprising at first that he did that when I heard about it. At first I was I was liked well it is another Michael Jackson thing I want money.I was also glad it wasn't Robbin Williams that was accused that either. I liked him as actor. That what I thought either he did it that is how I feel or you did not.Put simple if you do not want something liked that to a come back and haunt you then don't do it. I am a bit surprise that you all have not mention Stephen Collin. I mean he is a white dude and well they have not as big deal. My grandmother used to a be fan of 7th heaven. I mean I did not liked because it is unreal that is when it came family. I know she want to married a dude liked that in that show. I keep wondering to a myself if he had bat in his closet or skeleton in his closet because he seem so perfect with his show. For some reason I was happy that is he was as perfect as he portrait himself in the show. The show seem bland in my opinion. I do not mean to go off topic with you. You have wonder what is in the future for Cosby will he ever work in Hollywood again. Or will he be what is out of the job for his actions? I just hope he get what to a coming to him by actions?


Hi Sileia,
Glad to see you posting again flowers
You have some good points about the TV shows.
I think the Collin crime/scandal is just old news now. And that is why no one mentioned it here. And the re-runs ran on mostly Christian Family Networks.. so most people may not be familiar with " 7th Heaven" or Collin.

The Cosby Show, ran on many channels & Bill Cosby did so much Comedy & Movies... that he was like a superstar. And he did lots of work & gave lots of speeches about being a good parent & education etc..
So... when he first denied the allegations (1986-2005), most people WANTED to believe him. But now.. by his own words he is guilty & viewed as a hypocrite. And their are so many victims.

People get very attached to their favorite shows. Even " Little House On The Prairie ", with Michael Landon. He cheated on his wife, of over 20 years, divorced her & married a younger woman with bleach blonde hair. I remember, because my grandmother stopped watching the show. People boycotted, wrote letters, & even protested the show.
Even pastors told their congrations not to watch him or any of his shows, including Bonanza. But back then... adultery , fornication, divorce were scandalous.

I think actors/ actresses make their name & money off the public & should not be surprised when the public is disappointed in them, especially for a crime.


Keep posting.. flowers

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Mon 07/13/15 08:16 PM




I haven't seen any of this on the news over here, I don't think its even been mentioned.

So can someone tell me, has he been found guilty in a court of law

I just wondered



no, its hard to depose a 78 year old man about what he did or didn't do in his thirties or forties (in detail) and non consent is equally hard to prove after that amount of time has passed.

he will probably die from the stress before any of it is brought to a court of law




they are still extraditing 100 year old men that may or may not have been within 100 miles of a concentration camp back to Germany for war crimes trials.

age means ZIP..


your right.

Some people feel that once you hit retirement age you should get a free pass to all that you have done wrong. That somehow, your old age resolves you of horrendous deeds... it don't work that way.


A predator is a predator. No matter if the animal is human or not.
They look for the young (like Cosby), the neive ( like Cosby), the weak & or impressionable ( like Cosby)... the sick, the old, the alone, the unwanted, the unloved, the uneducated, desperate, poor, separated from the pack/ herd.. etc..

They have no mercy for their victims, they choose there victims. .I don't have any mercy for any criminal... for age or conditions... any more than a predator has for their victim.

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Mon 07/13/15 09:43 PM



I haven't seen any of this on the news over here, I don't think its even been mentioned.

So can someone tell me, has he been found guilty in a court of law

I just wondered



no, its hard to depose a 78 year old man about what he did or didn't do in his thirties or forties (in detail) and non consent is equally hard to prove after that amount of time has passed.

he will probably die from the stress before any of it is brought to a court of law




they are still extraditing 100 year old men that may or may not have been within 100 miles of a concentration camp back to Germany for war crimes trials.

age means ZIP..



yeah, that's the holocaust

it gets its own special brand of immediate outrage,,,,,more so than sexual encounters that may or may not have happened or been consented to,,

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Mon 07/13/15 11:09 PM





I haven't seen any of this on the news over here, I don't think its even been mentioned.

So can someone tell me, has he been found guilty in a court of law

I just wondered



no, its hard to depose a 78 year old man about what he did or didn't do in his thirties or forties (in detail) and non consent is equally hard to prove after that amount of time has passed.

he will probably die from the stress before any of it is brought to a court of law




they are still extraditing 100 year old men that may or may not have been within 100 miles of a concentration camp back to Germany for war crimes trials.

age means ZIP..


your right.

Some people feel that once you hit retirement age you should get a free pass to all that you have done wrong. That somehow, your old age resolves you of horrendous deeds... it don't work that way.


A predator is a predator. No matter if the animal is human or not.
They look for the young (like Cosby), the neive ( like Cosby), the weak & or impressionable ( like Cosby)... the sick, the old, the alone, the unwanted, the unloved, the uneducated, desperate, poor, separated from the pack/ herd.. etc..

They have no mercy for their victims, they choose there victims. .I don't have any mercy for any criminal... for age or conditions... any more than a predator has for their victim.


very well said

And at some point Cosby will have to man up, my gut says after the deposition is full opened as he cannot continue to be silent and hide behind his wife. God knows her words are not helping his cause.

It will become impossible for him not to and his silence speaks volumes

He needs to take accountability for his actions... plain and simple

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Tue 07/14/15 07:05 AM
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/judd-apatow-lena-dunham-bill-cosby-lincoln-center-1201539682/

Judd Apatow & Lena Dunham, talk Bill Cosby
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Bill Cosby- victims uniting :banana:

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bill-cosby-sex-assault-deposition-20150713-story.html/

2 alleged Bill Cosby sex assault victims join effort to unseal his entire deposition

Cosby accusers want entire deposition released

Whoopi Goldberg defends Bill Cosby amid new disclosures

Lawyer for Cosby accusers: 'Big step forward'

Bill Cosby obtained drugs to give to women for sex, documents show
By RICHARD WINTON

Bill Cosby Crime Sexual Assault

Two women who claim they were sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby said Monday they are joining an effort to unseal an entire 2005 deposition he gave, in which he admitted giving Quaaludes to women with whom he wanted to have sex.

Beth Ferrier and Rebecca Lynn Neal, who both claim they were drugged and sexually assaulted by the comedian decades ago, said they are joining the effort by a woman who sued Cosby in 2005 in Pennsylvania.

Bill Cosby sex assault allegations
Bill Cosby sex assault allegations
Attorney Gloria Allred, who represents 17 alleged Cosby victims, said her firm filed a memorandum in support of efforts to release Cosby's entire transcript to see what he stated about them.

"We will pursue Mr. Cosby until the full truth comes out," said Ferrier, who alleges she was assaulted in Denver in 1986 and is one of 13 Jane Does in the 2005 case.

"It is important for the world to know the truth that Bill Cosby hunted me like a predator... in recently released excepts he admits he was with me in Denver and he probably had sex with me," she said Monday at a Los Angeles news conference with Allred.


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Bill Cosby said he got Quaaludes to give women for sex, documents say

Ferrier, who was Jane Doe No. 5, has said she believes Cosby had sex with her after putting a drug in her coffee. Ferrier said she told the National Enquirer in 2005, but the tabloid did not run her story, instead choosing to publish an interview with the performer.

Allred said the women are seeking to have the entire deposition unsealed so they can defend themselves. She said neither of the women took any drugs voluntarily.

Neal said she was assaulted by Cosby in 1983 when she a masseur at a Las Vegas health club.

"I am surprised he does not remember me," she said during the news conference. "He wanted me to come to a show."

Neal says she was so drugged, her roommate found her the next day in her car.

"I didn't wake up until the next evening," she said.

She broke down in tears Monday as she recounted the times she would see Cosby on TV.

"I thought, who would believe me that Bill Cosby was a serial rapist who used drugs to assault unsuspecting women," she said.

The 2005 lawsuit was filed by a Temple University staffer, who claimed Cosby drugged and groped her during a 2004 visit to his Philadelphia home.

During that case, 13 other women, including Ferrier and Neal, came forward with similar stories. But the Temple University woman's attorney settled the case out of court in 2006.

Her attorneys have now asked that the entire deposition be made public because, they argue, Cosby has violated a confidential agreement.

A judge last week unsealed part of Cosby's deposition contained in court motions at the request of the Associated Press.

Attorneys for Cosby, 77, are currently asking the California Supreme Court to dismiss a lawsuit filed by a woman who alleges she was molested as a 15-year-old at the Playboy Mansion in 1974.

Judy Huth, who has publicly identified herself, is one of 47 women to accuse the comedian of sexual abuse. But most are beyond the statute of limitations.

Los Angeles police interviewed Huth, but prosecutors determined it was beyond statute from 1972, as has been the case so far with accusations nationwide.

Cosby also faces a defamation suit by model Janice Dickinson for his team's response after she accused him of attacking her.

John Manly, an attorney who has handled hundreds of civil sexual abuse cases, said Cosby's deposition may prove even more helpful in Dickinson's defamation suit against Cosby.

"There is no legitimate reason he would be giving women Quaaludes before sex except to suppress their ability to consent,” he said. “I would expect law enforcement to take a serious look at Mr. Cosby.”

Los Angeles police are also investigating a 2008 allegation.


Copyright © 2015, Los Angeles Times

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Tue 07/14/15 11:59 AM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 07/14/15 12:02 PM
there is no 'legitimate' reason people would be ACCEPTING to take qualudes either, but that doesnt mean it didnt happen that way in the party scene decades ago,,,,


from an addiction recovery site

Classifications

Methaqualone is a sedative-hypnotic drug that is similar in effect to barbiturates, a general central nervous system depressant. The DEA lists Methaqualone as a Schedule I drug, outlawing the manufacture, possession, sale, distribution and use by anyone, punishable by federal law.


Uses

Barbiturates like Methaqualone are hypnotic drugs that act like tranquillizers and are most commonly used as anesthesia before surgery. Quaaludes became popularized as a recreational drug in the late 1960s and early 1970s and was used during sexual activity because of heightened sensitivity and lowered inhibition coupled with relaxation and euphoria. Quaaludes were often used by people who frequented glam-rock clubs and discos in the early 1970s (a slang term for Quaaludes was "disco biscuits"). In the mid-1970s, bars in Manhattan called "juice bars" sprang up that only served non-alcoholic drinks that catered to people who liked to dance while under the influence of Methaqualone.

http://www.treatment4addiction.com/drugs/depressants/quaaludes/

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