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Fri 05/29/15 03:40 PM
ournalist Glenn Greenwald, through whom document-leaker Edward Snowden previously rattled the entire National Security Agency, is now confirming Western intelligence networks strategize to place “trolls” on the Internet to undermine, discredit and destroy critics.

In an article posted on website Greenwald help create called the Intercept, Greenwald reports secret documents from the GCHQ – the United Kingdom’s version of the NSA – reveal “how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction.”

He cites documents from the “previously secret” Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group in the U.K., which describe injecting “all sorts of false material onto the Internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets” and to use “social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.”

“To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: ‘false flag operations’ (posting material to the Internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting ‘negative information’ on various forums.”

The document lists a “Disruption Operational Playbook” and subheadings titled “Infiltration Operation, Ruse Operation, Set Piece Operation, False Flag Operation, False Rescue Operation, Disruption Operation, Sting Operation.”

Get “Disinformation: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism” at WND’s Superstore

Regarding how to “discredit a target,” the instructions include, “Set up a honey-trap, change their photos on social networking sites, write a blog purporting to be one of their victims, email/text their colleagues, neighbors, friends etc.”

Sam Rolley at the Personal Liberty blog wrote that his organization for years has been “warning readers that the well-connected and ruling elite, displeased by this newfound proletariat freedom, have been prolific in attempts to undermine and marginalize information provided by any media outlet unwilling to obey the same unspoken rules that govern the content choices of major media outlets.”

“Now, thanks to the efforts of National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden and journalist Glenn Greenwald, readers no longer have to take the word of ‘paranoid’ bloggers who relate tales of paid government trolls lurking in comment sections and other concentrated top-down efforts to muddy the information provided by alternative media,” Rolley said.

He warned that the “most disturbing confirmation provided in the newly publicized intelligence documents is that spy agencies in Western nations with free speech guarantees have been given carte blanche authority from political leadership to target private individuals and organizations deemed uncooperative with the will of the state with ruthless online reputation-destruction efforts.”

Greenwald said the discussion of many of the techniques “occurs in the context of using them in lieu of ‘traditional law enforcement’ against people suspected (but not charged or convicted) of ordinary crimes or, more broadly still, ‘hacktivism,’ meaning those who use online protest activity for political ends.”

Rolley said it takes “no stretch of the imagination – even for those who have resisted considering the possibility of malevolent intent on government’s part – to assume that the mission of organizations like the NSA and GCHQ is ultimately more about quelling citizen dissent than stopping citizen bloodshed at the hands of terrorists.”

“The mere existence of documents like those published this week,” Rolley said, “provides that the nefarious and long-suspected Internet activities of Western propagandists are not just plausible – they have very likely occurred in the comment sections and social media posts of articles like the one you are reading now.”

WND columnist Eric Rush highlighted the outrageous idea of government agents trying to destroy the reputations of critics.

“It is worth noting that in 2008, Cass Sunstein, an Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs … wrote a paper proposing that the U.S. government engage teams of covert agents and independent, ideologically kindred surrogates to employ precisely the aforementioned methods to achieve their objectives,” Rush said.

Greenwald said the “point is that, far beyond hacktivists, these surveillance agencies have vested themselves with the power to deliberately ruin people’s reputations and disrupt their online political activity even though they’ve been charged with no crimes, and even though their actions have no conceivable connection to terrorism or even national security threats.”

Greenwald said the British organization, GCHQ, in response to his questions, said only that it does not comment on intelligence matters.

“Furthermore,” the agency said, “all of GCHQ’s work is carried out in accordance with a strict legal and policy framework which ensures that our activities are authorized, necessary and proportionate, and that there is rigorous oversight, including from the Secretary of State, the Interception and Intelligence Services Commissioners, and the Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee.”

“Whatever else is true,” Greenwald wrote, “no government should be able to engage in these tactics: what justification is there for having government agencies target people – who have been charged with no crime – for reputation-destruction, infiltrate online political communities, and develop techniques for manipulating online discourse?”

WND previously has reported on leftist trolls operating online, including those with thousands of postings that would be unlikely to come from someone submitting comments during free time.

The report at the time said the trolls were performing a “disinformation” function typical of counter-intelligence efforts by intelligence agencies to confuse political enemies and refute or deflect opposing political views that are less susceptible to refutation by more traditional methods of debate and argumentation.

Typically, trolls operating on WND forums were defending Obama by posting specious and diversionary arguments with the goal of changing the subject and obscuring topics that could damage Obama, such as his birth records, life narrative, political history and policy preferences, including his current positions as president.

One was found to have posted nearly 4,800 comments over a two-year period. Another operated under different user names used various email addresses and nine different IP addresses to post 15,200 comments over 787 days on WND.com and FoxNews.com, as well as several smaller news websites, some of which had a local focus or interest.

The report confirmed many of the trolls banned from participating in WND forums appeared to have been operating on a professional level.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/02/govt-handbook-for-internet-trolls-uncovered/#VIuUvad61DohCIhP.99


i always wondered why you felt the need to go out of your way to attack me when i post anything about the government. everytime i post something about the government, here comes devildog. obviously you dont like my posts and topics, but yet you always feel the need to come and try to discredit me, why is that? instead of just moving on to the next topic, you always seem to come into my threads and throw your 2 cents in. i told you many times already, if you dont like what i post, theres noone putting a gun to your head and making you read them or post in them. but yet everytime you still come in and try to discredit me no matter what im saying.

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Fri 05/29/15 03:24 PM
Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections
Tuesday, September 17, 2013 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer
Tags: internet trolls, chat rooms, federal government

(NaturalNews) You've probably run into them before -- those seemingly random antagonizers who always end up diverting the conversation in an online chat room or article comment section away from the issue at hand, and towards a much different agenda. Hot-button issues like illegal immigration, the two-party political system, the "war on terror" and even alternative medicine are among the most common targets of such attackers, known as internet "trolls" or "shills," who in many cases are nothing more than paid lackeys hired by the federal government and other international organizations to sway and ultimately control public opinion.

Several years ago, Canada's CTV News aired a short segment about how its own government had been exposed for hiring secret agents to monitor social media and track online conversations, as well as the activities of certain dissenting individuals. This report, which in obvious whitewashing language referred to such activities as the government simply "weighing in and correcting" allegedly false information posted online, basically admitted that the Canadian government had assumed the role of secret online police. At the time, this was a great unknown to the general Canadian public.

You can view this CTV News segment here:
http://youtube.com

Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.

According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.

"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.

You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov

Alleged former 'shill' admits that trolling operations are real
Then there is the occasional confession by a former employee of the government who fesses up about what is really taking place in secret behind the scenes. A recent public posting on a "conspiracy theory" forum -- conspiracy websites are typically the most heavily targeted by government officials -- admits that individuals are constantly being recruited and hired by shadowy groups and government-affiliated agencies to manipulate online discussions.

"Shills exist," writes this anonymous ex-shill following a lengthy explanation of how he was hand-selected to pose as a normal commenter and basically lie on forums and in comment sections. "They are real. They walk among you ... You should be aware of this," he adds.

It should be noted that the alternative news website where this confession was recently re-posted was asked by the conspiracy website where it was originally posted to take it down, claiming that it is "libelous and utterly false," even though it does not name any specific names or identify who is behind these and other shill operations. When asked for an explanation, the conspiracy website in question simply stopped responding.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html#ixzz3bZKcDRe3


hmmm devildog, sounds kind of like someone here on mingle?

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Fri 05/29/15 03:18 PM

Sounds like bankers are trying to surpass crab fishermen in deaths.....The Discovery Channel should do a show...."The Deadliest Banks".....

As for the guy in the OP, read somewhere this morning that it wasnt his first suicide attempt and that he had a drug issue....nose candy I think.


could be a legit suicide, all im trying to point out is alot of bankers/scientists are dying under weird circumstances.

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Fri 05/29/15 03:16 PM
Jonathan Widom, 55, died July 18 of an apparent heart attack. He was a professor of Molecular Biosciences in the Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences at Northwestern University. Widom focused on how DNA is packaged into chromosomes -- and the location of nucleosomes specifically. Colleagues said the work has had profound implications for how genes are able to be read in the cell and how mutations outside of the regions that encode proteins can lead to errors and disease.

Fanjun Meng, 29, and Chunyang Zhang, 26, drowned in a Branson hotel swimming pool. Both were from China and working in the anatomic pathology lab at the University of Missouri-Columbia. Meng was a visiting scholar and his wife, Zhang, was a research specialist, according to information at the university's website. Meng was working on research looking at a possible link between pesticides and Parkinson's disease.Police said the investigation is ongoing as to the cause of the drowning but had said earlier there was no sign of foul play.

Andrei Tropinov, Sergei Rizhov, Gennadi Benyok, Nicolai Tronov and Valery Lyalin, in a Russian plane crash.. The five scientists were employed at the Hydropress factory, a member of Russia's state nuclear corporation and had assisted in the development of Iran's nuclear plant. Theyworked at the Bushehr nuclear power plant and helped to complete construction of it. Officially Russian investigators say that human error and technical malfunction caused the deadly crash, which killed 45 and left 8 passengers surviving.

Rodger Lynn Dickey, 56, from an apparent suicide Mar. 18 after he jumped from the Gorge Bridge. Dickey was a senior nuclear engineer with over 30 years of experience in support of the design, construction, start-up, and operation of commercial and government nuclear facilities. His expertise was in nuclear safety programmatic assessment, regulatory compliance, hazard assessment, safety analysis, and safety basis documentation. He completed project tasks in nuclear engineering design and application, nuclear waste management, project management, and risk management. His technical support experience included nuclear facility licensing, radiation protection, health and safety program assessments, operational readiness assessments, and systems engineering.

Gregory Stone, 54, from an unknown illness Feb. 17. Stone, who was quoted extensively in many publications internationally after last year’s BP oil leak, was the director of the renowned Wave-Current Information System. Stone quickly established himself as an internationally respected coastal scientist who produced cutting-edge research and attracted millions of dollars of research support to LSU. As part of his research, he and the CSI Field Support Group developed a series of offshore instrumented stations to monitor wind, waves and currents that impact the Louisiana coast. The system is used by many fishermen and scientists to monitor wind, waves and currents off the Louisiana coast. Stone was a great researcher, teacher, mentor and family man.

Bradley C. Livezey, 56, died in a car crash Feb. 8. Livezey knew nearly everything about the songs of birds and was considered the top anatomist. Livezey, curator of The Carnegie Museum of Natural History, never gave up researching unsolved mysteries of the world's 20,000 or so avian species. Carnegie curator since 1993, Livezey oversaw a collection of nearly 195,000 specimens of birds, the country's ninth largest. Livezey died in a two-car crash on Route 910, authorities said. An autopsy revealed he died from injuries to the head and trunk, the Allegheny County Medical Examiner's Office said. Northern Regional Police are investigating.

Dr Massoud Ali Mohammadi, 50, was assassinated Jan. 11 when a remote-control bomb inside a motorcycle near his car was detonated. This professor of nuclear physics at Tehran University was politically active and his name was on a list of Tehran University staff who supported Mir Hossein Mousavi according to Newsweek. The London Times reports that Dr. Ali-Mohammadi told his students to speak out against the unjust elections. He stated "We have to stand up to this lot. Don't be afraid of a bullet. It only hurts at the beginning." Iran seems to be systematically assassinating high level professors and doctors who speak out against the regime of President Ahmadinejad. However, Iran proclaims that Israel and America used the "killing as a means of thwarting the country's nuclear program" per Newsweek.

John (Jack) P. Wheeler III, 66. last seen Dec. 30found dead in a Delaware landfill, fought to get the Vietnam Memorial built and served in two Bush administrations. His death has been ruled a homicide by Newark, Del. police. Wheeler graduated from West Point in 1966, and had a law degree from Yale and a business degree from Harvard. His military career included serving in the office of the Secretary of Defense and writing a manual on the effectiveness of biological and chemical weapons, which recommended that the United States not use biological weapons.

Mark A. Smith, 45. Died Nov. 15 renowned Alzheimer's disease researcher has died after being hit by a car in Ohio. Smith was a pathology professor at Case Western Reserve University and director of basic science research at the university's memory and cognition center. He also was executive director of the American Aging Association and co-editor-in-chief of the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease. He is listed as the No. 3 "most prolific" Alzheimer's disease researcher, with 405 papers written, by the international medical Journal.

Chitra Chauhan, 33. Died Nov. 15 was found dead in an apparent suicide by cyanide at a Temple Terrace hotel, police said. Chauhan left a suicide note saying she used cyanide. Hazmat team officials said the cyanide was found only in granular form, meaning it was not considered dangerous outside of the room it was found in. The chemical is considered more dangerous in a liquid or gas form. Potassium Cyanide, the apparent cause of death, is a chemical commonly used by universities in teaching chemistry and conducting research, but it was not used in the research projects she was working on. Chauhan, a molecular biologist, was a post-doctoral researcher in the Global Health department in the College of Public Health. She earned her doctorate from the Institute of Genomics and Integrative Biology in New Delhi, India, in 2005, then studied mosquitoes and disease transmission at the University of Notre Dame.

Franco Cerrina, 62. Died July 12 was found dead in a lab at BU’s Photonics Center on Monday morning. The cause of death is not yet known, but have ruled out homicide. Cerrina joined the faculty of BU in 2008 after spending 24 years on the faculty at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He co-founded five companies, including NimbleGen Systems, Genetic Assemblies (merged with Codon Devices in 2006), Codon Devices, Biolitho, and Gen9, according to Nanowerk News. NimbleGen, a Madison, WI-based provider of DNA microarray technology, was sold to Basel, Switzerland-based Roche in 2007 for $272.5 million. Cerrina, chairman of the electrical and computer engineering department, came to BU two years ago from the University of Wisconsin at Madison as a leading scholar in optics, lithography, and nanotechnology, according to his biography on the university website. The scholar was responsible for establishing a new laboratory in the Photonics Center.

Vajinder Toor, 34. Died April 26 shot and killed outside his home in Branford, Conn. Toor worked at Kingsbrook Jewish Medical Center in New York before joining Yale.



Joseph Morrissey, 46. Died April 6 as a victim of a home invasion. The autopsy revealed that the professor died from a stab wound. Although the cause of death was first identified as a gun shot wound, the autopsy revealed that the professor died from a stab wound. Morrissey joined NSU in May 2009 as an associate professor and taught one elective class on immunopharmacology in the College of Pharmacy.

Maria Ragland Davis, 52. Died February 13 at the hand of neurobiologist Amy Bishop. Her background was in chemical engineering and biochemistry, and she specialized in plant pathology and biotechnology applications. She had a doctorate in biochemistry and had worked as a postdoctoral research fellow at the Monsanto Company in St. Louis. She was hired at the University of Alabama after a seven-year stint as a senior scientist in the plant-science department at Research Genetics Inc. (later Invitrogen), also in Huntsville.

Gopi K. Podila, 54. Died February 13 at the hand of neurobiologist Amy Bishop, Indian American biologist, noted academician, and faculty member at the University of Alabama in Huntsville. He listed his research interests as engineering tree biomass for bioenergy, functional genomics of plant-microbe interactions, plant molecular biology and biotechnology. In particular, Padila studied genes that regulate growth in fast growing trees, especially poplar and aspen. He has advocated prospective use of fast growing trees and grasses as an alternative to corn sources for producing ethanol.

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Fri 05/29/15 03:12 PM
if you can read devildog, theyre not all suicides. alot are unknown causes and murder.

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Fri 05/29/15 03:10 PM
- John Rogers, a tropical disease expert with the National Institutes of Health. "Martin John Rogers was found 'near' his wrecked car down in an embankment in western Maryland on Thursday, September 4, 2014, after disappearing on August 21, 2014 when he left home for work at the world-renowned research center near Washington, D.C. No word yet on the cause of death..."

--Glenn Thomas, an AIDS and Ebola expert and spokesman for the World Health Organization. "Ebola expert Glenn Thomas was among the 298 people who were killed when Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down and crashed in Ukraine. It is understood he was one of more than 100 researchers who were aboard the flight on their way to an international Aids conference in Australia."

--Mark Ferri, a nuclear engineer. "A renowned American engineer was found dead in his hotel room in Salford after his heart suddenly stopped working. Mark Ferri, 59, from Tennessee, had completed two degrees in engineering as well as an MBA before becoming a nuclear engineer. ... It was said Mr Ferri had been under stress from his job. His wife, Michaela, told the inquest: 'He said a number of times, this job is killing me.'"

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/048408_scientists_mysterious_deaths_assassinations.html#ixzz3bZGtXO2G


Professor Carol Ambruster, 69, University professor and Astronomy and Astrophysics
Officers had found nothing in Ambruster's life or history that appeared suspicious. Philly.com reported; Carol W. Ambruster, 69 was found by her roommate in the kitchen of her apartment in the 5500 block of Wayne Avenue, Germantown with a knife in her neck about 9 p.m., police said. She also had been stabbed in the chest.

Ambruster, a tenured professor in the department of astronomy and astrophysics at Villanova, retired in 2011. Ambruster attended Northeastern University, where she majored in physics, and received her doctorate in astronomy from the University of Pennsylvania in 1984. Her research interests included stars and the history of astronomy.

Anne Szarewski, 53, pioneered the cervical cancer vaccine.
Mystery: Doctors are still at a loss to explain Dr Anne Szarewski's death in her Hampstead home in August. Doctors are still at a loss to explain what exactly caused the brilliant researcher’s death. She was found with high levels of an anti-malarial drug in her bloodstream, but doctors said this was not thought to have caused her death. The scientist who pioneered the cervical cancer vaccine was found dead by her husband at their £2million home after he warned she was ‘heading for a crisis’ by working too hard. Dr Anne Szarewski, 53, a university lecturer whose discovery has saved thousands of lives, was begged to slow down by her husband, who was becoming increasingly concerned about the pressure she was putting on herself. In August he found her dead in their four-bedroom home in West Hampstead, north London, after he spent two hours drilling through a door she had locked from the inside. Dr Szarewski is credited with discovering the link between the human papillomavirus and cervical cancer, leading to a vaccine for HPV – the first-ever vaccine against any form of cancer – which is now routinely given to girls across the country.


Shane Todd, 31, Phd in electrical engineering with expertise with GaN (Gallium Nitride).
Mystery: Dr. Todd felt increasingly uncomfortable with the work he was doing with the Chinese company Huawei, to the point Shane told his family that he was being asked to compromise US security and he feared for his life. Shane was working on a “one of a kind” machine, with a dual use in commercial and in military application, requiring expertise in the area of GaN (Gallium Nitride). Shane refused to do what he was being asked to do and turned in his sixty day notice at IME. Shane found a good job with a company in Virginia, and bought a ticket to fly back to the US on July 1, 2012. Shane was killed late June 22nd, or 23rd, right after his last day of work.

Shane's death was so unusual that CBS 48 Hours did a show on it.

Dr. Richard Holmes , age 48. Weapons expert. Dr Holmes is believed to have worked on the production of chemical protection suits for troops. In 1991 he was the joint author of a scientific paper about an RAF chemical and biological protection system. Suicide riddle of weapons expert who worked with David Kelly: Scientist tells wife he is going for a walk, then takes his life in a field... just like his friend

Body of Dr Richard Holmes discovered in a field four miles from the Porton Down defence establishment
Police said there were no suspicious circumstances in latest case but revealed scientist was 'under a great deal of stress'
He resigned from Porton Down last month, but it is unclear why

A weapons expert who worked with Dr David Kelly at the Government's secret chemical warfare laboratory has been found dead in an apparent suicide.

In circumstances strongly reminiscent of Dr Kelly's own mysterious death nine years ago, the body of Dr Richard Holmes was discovered in a field four miles from the Porton Down defence establishment in Wiltshire. It is not yet known how he died.

Melissa Ketunuti, - died January 2013 - Firefighters find charred body of murdered pediatrician who was hog-tied, strangled and set on fire in her basement

Dr. Kentunuti worked at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and dedicated her whole life to being a doctor and helping kids with cancer. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, she earned a doctorate in medicine from Stanford University and had initially considered working as a surgeon internationally.

She worked on an AIDS research fellowship in Botswana through the National Institutes of Health. She also completed internships at Johns Hopkins Hospital and New York University.

Professor Dr. Richard Crowe, 60, died May 27 in an off-road accident in Arizona. Dr. Crowe came to UH Hilo 25 years ago and helped launch the University’s undergraduate astronomy program. is numerous publications and co-authored works added significantly to the body of astronomical literature. He regularly trained UHH student observers with the UH 24-inch telescope on Mauna Kea, and conducted many research programs on that telescope. In 2005, he won the AstroDay Excellence in Teaching Award for his efforts. In 1991, Dr. Crowe was selected as a Fujio Matsuda Research Fellow for his scholarly work on pulsating variable stars. Crowe was also active in the community. He was a longtime member of the Rotary Club of Hilo Bay.

Gelareh Bagherzadeh, died Jan. 17, when she was shot outside her home, DDetectives investigating the murder of an Iranian molecular scientist gunned down in her car as she drove home believe she was followed or that someone was waiting for her. Bagherzadeh was struck by a single bullet that entered the passenger door window as she talked on her cell phone with her ex-boyfriend. Bagherzadeh was a molecular genetic technology student at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston and also active in promoting Iranian women's rights.


James S. Miller, 58, as a result of being attacked during a home invasion. Professor James Steven Miller came to Goshen College to teach in 1980, the same year he completed his doctorate degree in medical biochemistry at Ohio State University. He received his undergraduate degree in chemistry in 1975 from Bluffton (Ohio) University. The Goshen College Board of Directors granted Professor Miller tenure in June 1985. He primarily taught upper-level courses taken by students in nursing, pre-medical and other health-related tracks.

Zachary Greene Warfield, 35, died July 4 in a boating accident on the Potomac River. Zack was a co-founder and a member of the Board of Directors for Omnis, Inc., a McLean, VA-based strategic consulting firm for the intelligence, defense and national security communities. He spearheaded major research initiatives and, in addition to helping steer the company, was directly involved in numerous projects, including analytic training and technology consulting. Prior to founding Omnis, Zack was an engineer and analyst for the U.S. Government and private industry. As a science and technology analyst, he assessed missile and space systems, managed technical contracts, and investigated Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) program as a member of the Iraq Survey Group, serving in Baghdad on two separate occasions. As an engineer, he worked on aerospace projects for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), and private industry. Most notably, Zack designed critical guidance systems that ensured a successful landing for the Mars Exploration Rovers, Spirit and Opportunity; his name is inscribed on one of the rovers, and remains on Mars today.

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Fri 05/29/15 03:04 PM
Let’s take a look at the lists, and then we can go from there. In the last month, three JP Morgan employees died, all with different positions and in different cities. They are:

• Gabriel Magee, 39, vice president, corporate and investment bank technology, London, January 28, jumped off a building
• Ryan Henry Crane, 37, executive director, New York, February 3, unknown causes
• Li Junjie, 33, finance, Hong Kong, February 18, jumped off a building

Other sources then add a number of names to the list, anywhere between six and nine bankers who dies under “mysterious circumstances.” This is the list that’s most commonly being used on sites trying to make a connection between the deaths:

• David Bird, 55, Wall Street Journal writer covering OPEC, New Jersey, January 11, went missing on walk
• Tim Dickenson, age unknown, Communications director at Swiss Re AG, London, January 21, unknown causes
• William Broeksmit, 58, former senior risk manager at Deutsche Bank, London, January 26, suicide by hanging
• Karl Slym, 51, managing director of Tata Motors, Bangkok, January 27, death by jumping out window
• Mike Dueker, 50, chief economist at Russell Investments, Washington State, January 31, death by falling
• Richard Talley, 57, founder of American Title Services, Denver, February 4, shot himself with nail gun
• James Stuart, Jr., 70, Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, Scottsdale, February 19, unknown causes

Nine “banksters” all dying mysteriously and all within the same short span of time. What’s going on here? Are loose ends being tied up? Were they about to go public about something terrible? Is another economic crash around the corner or something even worse, like a financial reset, foreign currency scandal or total economic collapse? Did these poor souls know things they weren’t supposed to?


When examining these so called “death lists” it’s important not to mistake coincidence for conspiracy. It’s also important to get past the click-bait headlines and “just asking questions” ethos of websites in need of ad revenue.

Sure, “nine bankers mysteriously dying in a month” sounds weird and creepy. But every death that occurs for reasons other than natural causes is inherently “mysterious” until the reasons for why it happened are determined. So is there something else that explain this string of deaths, other than “they were taken out by the Powers That Be?”

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Fri 05/29/15 03:01 PM
This is the 36th Dead Banker of the year (via Beforeitsnews):

1) David Bird, 55, long-time reporter for the Wall Street Journal working at the Dow Jones news room
2) Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG
3) William Broeksmit, 58, former senior manager for Deutsche Bank
4) Ryan Henry Crane, age 37, JP Morgan
5) Li Junjie, 33, Hong Kong JP Morgan
6) Gabriel Magee, 39, age JP Morgan employee
7) Mike Dueker, 50, who had worked for Russell Investments
8) Richard Talley, 57, was the founder and CEO of American Title (real estate titles)
9) James Stuart Jr. 70, Former National Bank of Commerce CEO was found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz
10) Jason Alan Salais, 34 year old IT Specialist at JPMorgan since 2008
11) Autumn Radtke, 28, CEO of First Meta, a Singapore-based virtual currency trading platform
12) Eddie Reilly, 47, investment banker, Vertical Group, New York
13) Kenneth Ballando, 28, investment banker, Levy Capital, New york
14) Joseph A. Giampapa, 55, corporate bankruptcy lawyer, JP Morgan Chase
15) Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, voormalig topbestuurder ANB/AMRO, Laren, Nederland
16) Juergen Frick, 48, CEO Bank Frick & Co AG, Liechtenstein
17) Benoît Philippens, 37, directeur BNP Parisbas Fortis Bank, Ans, België.
18) Lydia…, 52, bankier Bred-Banque-Populaire, Parijs
19) Andrew Jarzyk, 27, bankier, PNC Bank, New York
20) Carlos Six, 61, Hoofd Belastingdienst en lid CREDAF, België
21) Jan Winkelhuijzen, 75, Commissaris en Fiscalist (voormalig Deloitte), Nederland.
22) Richard Rockefeller, 66, achterkleinzoon elitebankier John D. Rockefeller, Amerika
23) Mahafarid Amir Khosravi (Amir Mansour Aria), 45, bankeigenaar, zakenman en derivatenhandelaar, Iran
24) Lewis Katz, 76, zakenman, advocaat en insider in de bancaire wereld, Amerika
25) Julian Knott, Directeur Global Operations Center JP Morgan, 45, Amerika
26) Richard Gravino, IT Specialist JP Morgan, 49, Amerika
27) Thomas James Schenkman, Managing Director Global Infrastructure JP Morgan, 42, Amerika
28) Nicholas Valtz, 39, Managing Director Goldman Sachs, New York, Amerika
29) Therese Brouwer, 50, Managing Director ING, Nederland
30) Tod Robert Edward, 51, Vice President M & T Bank, Amerika
31) Thierry Leyne, 48, investeringsbankier en eigenaar Anatevka S.A., Israël
32) Calogero Gambino, 41, Managing Director Deutsche Bank, Amerika
33) Shawn D. Miller, 42, Managing Director Citigroup, New York, Amerika
34) Melissa Millian, 54, Senior Vice President Mass Mutual, Amerika
35) Thieu Leenen, 64, Relatiemanager ABN/AMRO, Eindhoven, Nederland
36) Geert Tack, 52, Private Banker ING, Haaltert, België

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Fri 05/29/15 03:00 PM

I also read when the president of American Express also died suddenly during a flight home.

Or was that maybe a blow dart to the neck from someone in Coach? Also part of the " master conspiracy" Tomato?

I guess that there is no chance that these people just decided to end their life ( for whatever reason)...like unfortunately people do every day. or died suddenly.

The Government is behind it.... bastards!!!!

Do you stare at your Lucky Charms cereal to make sure the marshmallows show no sign of tampering?.. you never know, Tomato... never know.






well devildog, if you look at the sheer number of people of these professions who have died under mysterious circumstances, it leads me to believe something is wrong. could all these deaths be legit and just people ending their lives? could be. but i dont see why prominent scientists and bankers would just decide to kill themselves.

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Fri 05/29/15 02:55 PM
and BTW i wasnt trying to be confrontational about it and im not saying whos right and wrong. just voicing my opinion. but as citizens of this country we need to stand up and tell them enough is enough, or its only going to continue to get worse.


drinker drinker :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Fri 05/29/15 02:52 PM

Tomato86
i never said you where wrong
or that they should be doing it

but they will do what they want to

do i believe it is right , no i don't

and i never said i was disagreeing with you

just said i don't care if they do or not
(thats a persons right as well dont get bent its there choice)

they have been doing it since soon after tv's came out
you can reverce feed the speakers , i was all so told you can reverse the tv tube and make it a camara (not sure never tryed but i can tell you the speaker one works cause i have done it with speakers before)

phone's have been tapped shortly after they came out
they have key words they listen for , it gets recorded
hard line phones not cells was way before cells where well known


see but thats the whole thing, "they will do what they want to do"

not if we as americans stand up to them and tell them WE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. people have become so complacent and lazy now a days that they think that we the people have no say in what goes on. actually we do have a say but it will take people getting off their @$$es and actually voicing their opinions. this $h1t only happens because WE LET it happen. it doesnt have to be like this, its only like this because the people have become too complacent and let the government do whatever they want.

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Fri 05/29/15 02:41 PM

I agree with tomato86.


thank you catinidaho, i dont get people to agree with me very often! haha :thumbsup: waving drinker

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Fri 05/29/15 02:38 PM
Edited by tomato86 on Fri 05/29/15 02:40 PM

they can watch me if they want
if i want to know where some one is i call them and ask : )
most of my friends just share there location to me on Waze <shrug> (kinda off topic but still a great app)
and yes i agree its sad that even if you make a private facebook there are still ways in to it

anything you put on the net , stays on the net
most people forget this simple thing

and if someone wants to know where you are there is all ways the gps in your cell
just like it said in this news article

me myself , i dont really care if they spy on me
wish i knew when they where looking , cause i would moon them : )




ok so you dont know me, and have never met me. if i said to you "hey can i put a GPS in your pocket and track everywhere you go? and also can i bug your phone and listen to all your phone calls? and can i bug your computer and have access to everything you do on your computer in the privacy of your home? and do you mind if i can remotely turn your speaker on your smartphone on to listen to what your saying, even if your phone is off? do you mind if i remotely turn on your webcam and watch you in your home?"

what would you say to me? probably something along the lines oF "HELL NO". and im just one innocent person. but yet you would allow the government to do all this and not care because "you have nothing to hide". im sorry but IMO you have way way too much faith in your government. in its current state our government is an overgrown machine that does what it wants and answers to noone. its just a revolving door dictatorship for wealthy american familys (clintons, bush's). Our government in the present is more corrupt than it has ever been and yet people have this idea that "government is my friend". look at these fake @$$ politicians that all do the same exact thing, tell the people what they (the people) want to hear, get in office and do what THEY (the politicians) want or what special interest groups pay them to do.

And you trust these people to be involved in your right to privacy?



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Fri 05/29/15 02:22 PM
well me personally, i do care if they spy on me, because its illegal. you can say "i have nothing to hide so i dont care" and to each his own but even if i have nothing to hide i still dont want strangers poking around MY private information. even if you have nothing to hide, you should care that you're being spied on. thats a slippery slope to go down. it shouldnt matter you have nothing to hide, what should matter is you have the right to privacy and these people are violating your rights. i dont mean to sound like an @$$, but i really get disturbed when people say "go ahead spy on me i have nothing to hide" because that isnt the point. government is the last thing you should want poking around your privacy. its not a matter of IF they will abuse this at some point, its only a matter of WHEN.

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Fri 05/29/15 02:12 PM

REPORT: A 29-year-old investment banker died after leaping from his Financial District apartment building
Business Insider By Julia La Roche
7 hours ago

The New York Post is reporting that a 29-year-old investment banker died after leaping from his luxury apartment building in Manhattan's Financial District on Thursday morning.

The NYPD confirmed that the incident happened about 10:40 a.m. at 1 West Street. The NYPD did not release the person's name, age, or place of employment.

According to The Post, the man jumped from the 24th floor of the Ocean Luxury Residences. He was decapitated after hitting the guardrail by the northbound Battery Park Underpass and landed near a woman's black SUV.

Witnesses told The Post that tourists snapped pictures on their cellphones of the gruesome aftermath.

In the past year or so, there's been a spate of suicides among financial-services employees. As a result, financial firms have been trying to do more to improve the lifestyles of their employees, especially younger ones.


this seems to be happening alot lately. on comes my tin foil hat!
weird that alot of bankers, scientists and other smart people seem to be killing themselves alot lately. theres too many for me to list on here, but if you do your own research its pretty disturbing.

do these people know something we all dont? are they being killed to keep something quiet? IMO theres been way too many scientists and bankers that have died under mysterious circumstances in the past couple years. some drown, some are hit by cars, some hang themselves, and some jump from buildings. i dont know whats going on here but something smells fishy to me. it may be nothing and i may be overreacting but if you do your own research, its pretty disturbing how many of these people have died under mysterious circumstances in the past couple years.

before you tell me im a nutcase, which i very well may be, go do some research on this and look for yourself.

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Fri 05/29/15 01:49 PM
if you value privacy at all, GET RID OF FACEBOOK! zuckerburg works with the CIA and lets intelligence agencys and law enforcement use facebook to track everything you do. i never even made a facebook, i wanted to, to keep in touch with friends and family. but i decided against it, i dont like being spied on. hopefully they're not spying on the mingle community. alot of people i know have deleted their facebook accounts, and if you value privacy at all, i suggest you do the same.

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Fri 05/29/15 01:42 PM




Wouldn't you want to be around longer if you could and a disease was stopping you? Or save someone close to you if we were all more aware and better educated?


Nice post. This is important to me,

"if we were more aware and better educated."

I'm one who thinks that the real revolution is the evolution of consciousness. People need to experience nature. Look up ayahuasca, mushrooms, etc. get in touch with the earth, you'll become much healthier and less anxious and depressed. These things changed my life for the better in every possible way you can imagine. And btw, there's some evidence that ayahuasca can cure cancer. And I'll post a source

http://www.ayahuasca.com/science/the-scientific-investigation-of-ayahuasca-a-review-of-past-and-current-research/

http://www.ayahuasca.com/spirit/ayahuasca-neurogenesis-and-depression/

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca

There's way more scientific literature on this.


amen. there is no better medicine than a DMT trip. that $h1t will change the way you look at EVERYTHING including yourself. anyone who has a big ego and thinks they are the $h1t, go try some DMT and tell me how your ego is doing when your done. its a straight ego death, makes you look at everything from a different perspective. i've personally tried DMT before which is the same thing as ayahuasca, ayahuasca being the liquid form. but i will say from experience, DMT is a life changing experience. i've never heard of it curing cancer but i havent really researched that aspect of it. one thing it will cure though is being a self centered d1ckh3ad.


Finally, someone who gets it lol. I don't think there's any evidence for straight dmt curing cancer, but ayahuasca is contains a combination of beta-carboline alkaloids and dmt. The b-carbolines are what heals the body, and act as mono amine oxidase inhibitors, rendering dmt orally active, as normaly dmt would be broken down too quickly to make it to the brain.
Yeah, I've drank the medicine ~40 times now, it cures my anxiety and depression the first experience, the rest had been growth and learning


yea i know the whole science behind drinking it, though i have never actually drank it. i have smoked it though and god damn. like i said that $h1t will change the way you look at EVERYTHING. i will say this, if we took all of our politicians and locked them in a room and made them smoke DMT or drink ayahuasca, our country would be alot better off. when i smoked it it was like i could feel sound waves, and my vision got so sharp that i could see the tiniest bead of paint on a wall 20 feet away. and when i looked at the tv i wasnt seeing the representation of what the tv was showing, was weird it was like i was seeing into the tv or some $h1t it was wild. i'd love to do it again but that **** is so hard to find, only comes around once in a while and usually gets snatched up before i have a chance to get ahold of it. but it is wild, and awesome. if everyone in the world all ate a quarter oz of mushrooms at the same time, when we were all done tripping, there would be world peace. for sure.

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Fri 05/29/15 01:27 PM




Marijuana might not be for everyone.....but it's sure right for me! smokin waving


I'm with ya on that! winking :thumbsup: smokin

HELLZ YEA! my friend used to have a giant bong made of PVC pipe, he named it "mighty joe bong"


remember half baked? wesly pipes and billy bong thorton...


"Thurgood Jenkins: You know I got some weed at work today, if y'all wanna try it out.
Scarface: Nah, we don't feel like smokin right now.
Thurgood Jenkins: Me neither. So y'all wanna smoke?
Scarface: I'll get Billy Bong Thornton!
Brian: No man. No Billy Bong Thornton without Kenny. That wouldn't be right. Get Wesley Pipes. Yeah!"

haha half baked was an awesome movie.











a dime for a dime? wish i was alive for those days...


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Fri 05/29/15 01:03 PM
Edited by tomato86 on Fri 05/29/15 01:10 PM

More than 10,000 websites are blocking Congress from accessing them in protest
Business Insider By Steven Tweedie
3 hours ago



(Fight for the Future) The Blackout Congress protest page.

More than 10,000 websites are currently blocking Congress from accessing them as a protest of the Patriot Act, according to The Hill.

The participating websites have embedded a small snippet of code into their websites that detects if a computer is attempting to access the website from an IP address associated with Congress. If that's the case, that person would be redirected to a protest page plastered with the words "Congress: this is a blackout."

The mass protest is organized by internet activist group Fight for the Future, which describes itself as "a nonprofit working to expand the internet's power for good."

This particular protest is focused on preventing the possible extension of three key provisions of the controversial Patriot Act, the Act of Congress that has allowed for mass government surveillance.

"We are blocking your access until you end mass surveillance laws," the blackout page states. "You have conducted mass surveillance of everyone illegally and are now on record for trying to enact those programs into law. You have presented Americans with the false dichotomy of reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act or passing the USA Freedom Act. The real answer is to end all authorities used to conduct mass surveillance. Until you do, thousands of web sites have blocked your access, and more are joining every day."

In addition to blocking Congress members' access to more than 10,000 websites, Fight for the Future is also organizing a mass protest with the hashtag #ifeelnaked.org. Stating that "NSA spying makes us feel naked," the protest invites people all over the world to post photos of themself partially naked.



So far, it's looking like Fight for the Future and other supporters of ending the Patriot Act may get what they want: the Senate recently blocked the NSA reform bill and three key Patriot Act extensions. Unless lawmakers manage to find support to extend the Act before Sunday at midnight, mass surveillance and those three key provisions of the Patriot Act will be no more.

somehow i think these lying bastards are still going to spy on us whether its legal or not. it wasnt legal in the first place and they still did it, im not sure i am going to believe that they are just going to stop. Courts ruled the spying to be illegsl, and yet politicians are still trying to push it through anyway, dont these idiots understand the concept of legal and illegal? the whole patriot act should be dissolved IMO.

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Fri 05/29/15 12:36 PM
all i have to say for opponents of free speech is: