I met with Bush last Thursday.

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Yeah, right. And I'm the friggin' King of England!

*sigh* Be nice if some of those "fantasy geeks" would pull their heads outta their D&D games (or whatever they play these days) and rejoin the rest of us in the real world.

Thank you, GetHappy, for bringing this up. This is something I've said in several threads here. Breaking it down once again:

THE IRAQI CITIZENS/"GOVERNMENT" DOESN'T WANT US TO LEAVE.

Why?

Simple. Is there any welfare recipient who actually WANTS to be "dropped from the rolls"? Iraq is now a welfare state, and the US Government is happily signing the welfare checks. The Iraqis have ZERO interest in running their own country or defending themselves. And really, why should they? They've got us to do it for them. America collectively said that "We'll be there as long as it takes". Lifetime coddling! Music to a welfare recipient's ears! And no matter who wins in 2008, we'll continue to do so.

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Cloudy Clinton?

Oh, man, Thursie , I totally forgot those two!

The tragic part is that, even as a small child, I remember watching Red Skelton and enjoying that show.

Hey, here's another one I forgot:

PHIL SILVERS!

I loke the way you talk too....

....don't make me no nevermind .

Ok, here's my thoughts on the "100 Greatest TV Icons".

1. JOHNNY CARSON
2. LUCILLE BALL
3. OPRAH WINFREY--top 20 maybe, but too high here
4. BILL COSBY
5. WALTER CRONKITE
6. CAROL BURNETTE
7. MARY TYLER MOORE
8. JERRY SEINFELD
9. HOMER SIMPSON--what's a cartoon CHARACTER doing here?
10.**** CLARK
11.ROSEANNE BARR--top 100, but WAY too high here
12.**** VAN DYKE
13.JACKIE GLEASON
14.ED SULLIVAN
15.NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME PLAYERS
16.DAVID LETTERMAN
17.BOB NEWHART
18.WILLIAM SHATNER
19.ANDY GRIFFITH--WAY too low. Should be in the top 5
20.CARROL O'CONNOR
21.KERMIT THE FROG--see Homer
22.MILTON BERLE
23.BARBARA WALTERS
24.MICHAEL LANDON
25.HEATHER LOCKLEAR--not top 100, in my opinion.
26.FARRAH FAWCETT
27.REGIS PHILBIN
28.HOWARD COSELL
29.JOHN RITTER
30.ALAN ALDA
31.SARAH JESSICA PARKER--about 50 spots too high
32.HENRY WINKLER
33.ELLEN DeGENERES--not top 100 material
34.BOB BARKER
35.MICHAEL J. FOX
36.DIAHANN CARROLL--breakthrough actress. Should be top 20
37.GEORGE CLOONEY--short time on one show. Not enough to be here.
38.BEA ARTHUR
39.JENNIFER ANISTON
40.SALLY FIELD
41.JON STEWART
42.JAMES GANDOLFINI--memorable character on HBO. Not a memorable actor. WAY too high
43.FLIP WILSON
44.SUSAN LUCCI
45.SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR--once again, way too high.
46.LASSIE
47.SIMON COWELL-doesn't belong anywhere near any top 100 list.
48.JIMMY SMITS
49.CALISTA FLOCKHART--see #47
50.LARRY HAGMAN--top 30 at the worst, top 15 is more like it.
51.BOB HOPE--should be top 10
52.RON HOWARD
53.ED McMAHON
54.FLORENCE HENDERSON
55.FRED ROGERS
56.BETTY WHITE
57.CHARLIE BROWN--once again, see Homer Simpson
58.DON KNOTTS--about 35-40 spots too low. Should be top 20.
59.TED DANSON
60.MERV GRIFFIN
61.PAUL REUBENS--Known more for a character than as an actor. Doesn't belong on here.
62.REDD FOXX
63.ED ASNER
64.PHIL DONAHUE
65.PAMELA ANDERSON--worst actor on here. See Simon.
66.KELSEY GRAMMER
67.TOM SELLECK
68.DON CORNELIUS
69.BARBARA EDEN
70.BOB DENVER
71.ROSIE O'DONNELL
72.CHER--here for fame with Sonny. He should be listed here with her.
73.TONY DANZA
74.JOAN RIVERS
75.PETER FALK
76.CANDICE BERGEN
77.JAMES GARNER
78.ART CARNEY
79.ANGELA LANSBURY
80.ADAM WEST--See Paul Ruebens.
81.**** CAVETT
82.TED KNIGHT--most underrated comic actor on the list.
83.ISABEL SANFORD--Sherman Helmsley should be listed with her.
84.ERIC CARTMAN--Once again, see Homer Simpson.
85.ROD SERLING
86.JERRY MATHERS
87.PHIL HARTMAN
88.GAVIN McLEOD
89.ROBERT GUILLAUME
90.JOHN STAMOS
91.DENNIS FRANZ
92.JUDGE JUDY
93.NEIL PATRICK HARRIS
94.MELISSA GILBERT
95.RICHARD DAWSON
96.SHANNON DOHERTY
97.IN LIVING COLOR CAST
98.MERIDITH BAXTER
99.DELTA BURKE
100.MARCIA CROSS--How?

Well, there's my opinions. Pretty much an all right list. On a scale of 1-10, I'll give it a 7.

Knox's list of 10 who shouldv'e made the list:

1.BILL BIXBY
2.BUDDY EPSEN
3.ELIZABETH MONTGOMERY
4.JIM BACKUS
5.ANN SOUTHERN
6.DON ADAMS
7.ED O'NEIL
8.JEAN STAPLETON
9.VIVIAN VANCE
10.MR.T

In their latest issue, Entertainment Weekly posted their version of the greatest TV icons of all time. I'm printing the list here--for debate of course.

1. JOHNNY CARSON
2. LUCILLE BALL
3. OPRAH WINFREY
4. BILL COSBY
5. WALTER CRONKITE
6. CAROL BURNETTE
7. MARY TYLER MOORE
8. JERRY SEINFELD
9. HOMER SIMPSON
10.**** CLARK
11.ROSEANNE BARR
12.**** VAN DYKE
13.JACKIE GLEASON
14.ED SULLIVAN
15.NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME PLAYERS
16.DAVID LETTERMAN
17.BOB NEWHART
18.WILLIAM SHATNER
19.ANDY GRIFFITH
20.CARROL O'CONNOR
21.KERMIT THE FROG
22.MILTON BERLE
23.BARBARA WALTERS
24.MICHAEL LANDON
25.HEATHER LOCKLEAR
26.FARRAH FAWCETT
27.REGIS PHILBIN
28.HOWARD COSELL
29.JOHN RITTER
30.ALAN ALDA
31.SARAH JESSICA PARKER
32.HENRY WINKLER
33.ELLEN DeGENERES
34.BOB BARKER
35.MICHAEL J. FOX
36.DIAHANN CARROLL
37.GEORGE CLOONEY
38.BEA ARTHUR
39.JENNIFER ANISTON
40.SALLY FIELD
41.JON STEWART
42.JAMES GANDOLFINI
43.FLIP WILSON
44.SUSAN LUCCI
45.SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR
46.LASSIE
47.SIMON COWELL
48.JIMMY SMITS
49.CALISTA FLOCKHART
50.LARRY HAGMAN
51.BOB HOPE
52.RON HOWARD
53.ED McMAHON
54.FLORENCE HENDERSON
55.FRED ROGERS
56.BETTY WHITE
57.CHARLIE BROWN
58.DON KNOTTS
59.TED DANSON
60.MERV GRIFFIN
61.PAUL REUBENS
62.REDD FOXX
63.ED ASNER
64.PHIL DONAHUE
65.PAMELA ANDERSON
66.KELSEY GRAMMER
67.TOM SELLECK
68.DON CORNELIUS
69.BARBARA EDEN
70.BOB DENVER
71.ROSIE O'DONNELL
72.CHER
73.TONY DANZA
74.JOAN RIVERS
75.PETER FALK
76.CANDICE BERGEN
77.JAMES GARNER
78.ART CARNEY
79.ANGELA LANSBURY
80.ADAM WEST
81.**** CAVETT
82.TED KNIGHT
83.ISABEL SANFORD
84.ERIC CARTMAN
85.ROD SERLING
86.JERRY MATHERS
87.PHIL HARTMAN
88.GAVIN McLEOD
89.ROBERT GUILLAUME
90.JOHN STAMOS
91.DENNIS FRANZ
92.JUDGE JUDY
93.NEIL PATRICK HARRIS
94.MELISSA GILBERT
95.RICHARD DAWSON
96.SHANNON DOHERTY
97.IN LIVING COLOR CAST
98.MERIDITH BAXTER
99.DELTA BURKE
100.MARCIA CROSS

And there you have it. Well, I'm waiting. I want to hear what you think of this list--and what's right/wrong with it. I'll post later with my feelings, but there's one thing I'd like to say right now:

WHERE'S BILL BIXBY?????

In my opinion, there's NO WAY you can do a top 100 TV icons list and NOT include this man. His body of TV work speaks foritself. One of the best remembered and most loved TV stars of all time.

Ok, if Bonds is facing perjury charges, why isn't Rafael Palmero?

Palmero not only said UNDER OATH that he never took steroids, he was later CAUGHT doing it.

People mainly despise Bonds because he's a jerk and rude to fans, not because of steroids. If people knew what Palmero was really like off the field, he'd be the most despised man in sports. Ask Ryne Sandburg about ole Raffy.

I don't know, maybe he really DID sit on someone else's needle

McGuire shouldn't be charged. Sure, we all know he did steroids. But while he came across like a total douchebag in the hearings, he managed to more or less avoid the question.

Cutie , you hit the nail squarely on the head. Thank you.

Looking great, Sportsnut . Good to see you again. Just think, three Cowboys games in the space of 11 days. Washington on Sunday, Jets on Turkey Day, and the Packers the following Thursday--too bad that one's on NFL Network. I won't get to see it .

But it's looking good.....real good for our Cowboys right about now.

GO DALLAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I give up.

So much for an answer to my question .

And PLEASE show me where I referred to LEGAL aliens as "unhuman and animals". Hell, for that matter, show me where I referred to ILLEGAL aliens as that.

So, Dragon, going by your rather twisted logic, anything you don't agree with goes into two piles: One for "propaganda", and the other for "racist". I guess if you can't explain it, it MUST be racist or propaganda. I can't believe you've gone on for what, 17 or 18 pages, holding on to your "try to save face by claiming a wild conspiracy theory" desperate argument.

Others have posted links effectively backing up their facts.

YOU, on the other hand, offer nothing in contradiction except for the tired old "If I don't agree with it, it's a lie".

But, trying to be as nice as I possibly can, I'll give you a C+ for "effort" in trying to answer my question. Your result, however, gets an "F", and that's only because grades don't get any worse than that.

Better luck next time.

It might help a bit if ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS were limited to two terms. You've got guys (Hi Ted Kennedy) who's taken elected office and made a career out of it. After two terms, it seems they learn more and more ways of being crooked . If the President of the United States is limited to two terms, why shouldn't other elected officials?

Hi Ms Teddy Bear

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Anyone want some of my probblem's???
I'll give them away free! No discussion requirered...
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Well, if one of your problems is too much money, I'll be more than happy to help you there!

Or Bush and Hillary Clinton. Both would (and did) say anything to get elected. Both would (and did) show a total disregard for those who voted for them(Bush as President, Clinton as NY Senator).

Dragoness, please explain:

How a person can be branded a "racist" when they're in favor of allowing LEGAL immigrants into America, and NOT allowing ILLEGAL immigrants into America.

Please:

No insults.
No using the term "propaganda".
No dancing around my question. Please be direct.

Good luck to you.

Or when you're replying to an e-mail or posting in the forums, and someone you don't know wants to IM you. You decline, and go on with your business. The next thing you know, you just got a VERY nasty e-mail from that person.

A lot of us know each other from the forums. Some of us e-mail occasionally. That doesn't mean we want to chat on IM with people we've never heard of who are 5,000 miles away.

KFC is offering the new Hillary Clinton Value Meal.

Comes with two large thighs, two small breasts, and two left wings !

KFC is offering the new Hillary Clinton Value Meal.

Comes with two large thighs, two small breasts, and two left wings !

A lawyer and a priest died on the same day, and found themselves at the Pearly Gates at exactly the same time. An angel appeared, and told them that both had been accepted into Heaven, and that he would be taking them to their eternal living quarters.

They went first to where the priest would be living. One room, bed, small B&W TV, tiny radio, very basic.

The angel then took the lawyer to his living quarters. HUGE mansion with 70 inch color HDTV, state of the art stereo system, service staff, golf course, Olympic-sized pool, the works.

"I don't understand", said the lawyer. "Why do I get all this, and the priest only got that run-down room?".

"Oh, we get priests up here all the time,"said the angel. "You're the first lawyer we've ever had".

What's weird is when someone e-mails you and throws their laundry list of problems at you. You play "nice person" by answering their e-mail with some helpful advice and a few words of encouragement. Next thing you know, they send you another e-mail, this time claiming that they are in love with you and want to marry you.

I used to have a policy of "will answer all e-mails", because if someone takes the time and effort to send you one, you should have common decency to at least send some sort of reply.

Not any more. Now, I screen my e-mails (and the sender's profile) VERY carefully. I send out a lot less replies these days.