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Spidercmb wrote: To use an allegory or parable means that since that moment the interpretation of the truth becomes just an assumption hence - misunderstanding or many wrong and different ideas , the base of argue and endless debates. There is no 1 serious reason to be use allegories and parables in such so important for all humans resources like bible and other holy books if they have been given to guide our life. Hence we can say that all this is not by God given books but Israelites writers' ideas and concepts abt the God and life. Allegory's serve many purposes. 1) It makes difficult concepts easier to understand. 2) It makes a concept more portable from one culture / language to another. For God to reach as many people as possible with his Word, the allegory is a God-send, if you'll pardon the pun. Does it matter if the serpent is a snake or an angel? That's missing the point of the story. The relationship between Man and God changed when Adam and Eve brought about the fall. Wait .. wait .... So you try to tell that God needs allegories and parables to talk to people instead to manifest his existence in the most clear and undoubted for each one way ??! and the talking serpent is first important points in the bible which changed the relation Man - God and in the same time till now ppl continue to discuss, doubt or even laugh at it because this is "allegorical" way. |
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CowboyGh wrote:
chocolina said... So ... You do believe that snakes can talk? No...what have they been telling you to do? according to the bible after this talk Eve and Adam were kicked out of Eden ..lol It's an allegory. The Israelites associated some things with other ideas. Serpents represented wisdom. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden and it can be assumed that angels were there too. The scripture tells you that "the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made."...so this "serpent" wasn't an animal, because it was more crafty than any animal God made. ("wild animal" could also be translated as "living thing in the land", which would include Adam and Eve!) In revelations, Satan is called "the serpent of old", which Christians believe is referring to the "serpent" in Genesis 3:1. To use an allegory or parable means that since that moment the interpretation of the truth becomes just an assumption hence - misunderstanding or many wrong and different ideas , the base of argue and endless debates. There is no 1 serious reason to be use allegories and parables in such so important for all humans resources like bible and other holy books if they have been given to guide our life. Hence we can say that all this is not by God given books but Israelites writers' ideas and concepts abt the God and life. Parables are used so that we will understand. The word "parable" comes from the Greek "παραβολή" (parabolē), to any fictive illustration in the form of a brief narrative. Have you heard in computers, physic sciences or medicine someone to use parables except in religion and politic ? ...and the same with allegories |
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chocolina said... So ... You do believe that snakes can talk? No...what have they been telling you to do? according to the bible after this talk Eve and Adam were kicked out of Eden ..lol It's an allegory. The Israelites associated some things with other ideas. Serpents represented wisdom. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden and it can be assumed that angels were there too. The scripture tells you that "the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made."...so this "serpent" wasn't an animal, because it was more crafty than any animal God made. ("wild animal" could also be translated as "living thing in the land", which would include Adam and Eve!) In revelations, Satan is called "the serpent of old", which Christians believe is referring to the "serpent" in Genesis 3:1. To use an allegory or parable means that since that moment the interpretation of the truth becomes just an assumption hence - misunderstanding or many wrong and different ideas , the base of argue and endless debates. There is no 1 serious reason to be use allegories and parables in such so important for all humans resources like bible and other holy books if they have been given to guide our life. Hence we can say that all this is not by God given books but Israelites writers' ideas and concepts abt the God and life. |
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chocolina said... So ... You do believe that snakes can talk? No...what have they been telling you to do? according to the bible after this talk Eve and Adam were kicked out of Eden ..lol |
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pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? the bible And who wrote the bible ? |
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pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? what more is needed? Why is multiple sources important? Eh , then may you tell me Do you believe 100% in the bible? Yes I believe 100% of the bible. So ... You do believe that snakes can talk? |
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Is The Rapture the way that God will rid the Earth of Christians and therefore Christianity ...when The Rapture takes place God supposedly will kill/murder all the christians on the planet and take them off the planet thereby ending the religion ...there can be no dispute that in the bible everytime God kills/murder a mass amount of people it was because he was displease with them.... this is why the Rapture can be viewed as being a prophecy of doom for believers instead of a blessing First who said that God will kill/murder someone , doesn't matter if this is Christians or non Christians when the Rapture takes place ? anytime a massive amount of people disappear ..it is because God is displeased with them But who said/knows that God has done it ? this I know for the bible tells me so And then who wrote this bible ? |
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Let's have a discussion about all things spiritual and religious oriented HERE'S THE CATCH. No one is allowed to "quote" the bible or mention the bible after this post. In the mean time - here are some thoughts on spirit beings. to my understanding angels are spirits, ghosts of dead humans are spirits and there are spirits called poltergeists and there are demon spirits. According to the old teachings and beliefs Angels are many kinds and the most popular of them are our angels-teachers and angels-saviors. About their origin : in all teaching and beliefs angels are alive people who come in our life in some reason and after their mission /to teach us, to support us, to give us hope and power , to back our faith in love and god , to safe our life , to change our life etc. etc..../ has done it they gone. About demons,jinns etc.- all they said that they are spirits , ghosts of dead people /usually evil/ searching for revenge , or confused , or trapped between the worlds . If you believe in God did he create the spirit first and then the body or the body and then the spirit. AND can a dead human's spirit become a Demon spirit? The spirits/souls are immortal |
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The question I ask here is: Will my prayer of being erased from existance be answered? as long as your posts keep popping up in the forum .....the answer is no ... hahaha .. the most logical , correct and funny answer .. |
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Does God even care?
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pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? what more is needed? Why is multiple sources important? Eh , then may you tell me Do you believe 100% in the bible? |
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Does God even care?
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pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? It is all in genesis, the first book of the bible. It contains the knowledge of the creation of the world and our fall from grace. So.... all information comes from the bible and you/people know all this only from the bible ? |
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Does God even care?
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pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? Pain and suffering doesn't come from God. God allows it to effect us in a way to teach us not to do as such again. God allows a person to be burned when touching a hot skillet so that one will learn not to touch that hot skillet. That's just an example, but nevertheless it can be related to how God is teaching us. He specifically doesn't initiate the pain, it is you. But God allows the pain to effect you so that you will learn. And how do you/people know that God "allows" or "teaching" us by pain and misery or requires whatever like behavior from us ? |
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Is The Rapture the way that God will rid the Earth of Christians and therefore Christianity ...when The Rapture takes place God supposedly will kill/murder all the christians on the planet and take them off the planet thereby ending the religion ...there can be no dispute that in the bible everytime God kills/murder a mass amount of people it was because he was displease with them.... this is why the Rapture can be viewed as being a prophecy of doom for believers instead of a blessing First who said that God will kill/murder someone , doesn't matter if this is Christians or non Christians when the Rapture takes place ? anytime a massive amount of people disappear ..it is because God is displeased with them But who said/knows that God has done it ? |
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pain and death is the way that God use to show his love and that he cares Who said that all pain and suffering comes from God ? |
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Ok , more logical is the question :" Why we humans try to put God in the limited parameters and shaped it similar to our ideas and imaginations abt God . Why God has to care about us or help or punish ? God is not limited to anything. Anything and everything is possible with God. God cares about us because we are his creation. God helps again because we are his creation. And with your last question, why does a parent punish their child on earth? Why are kids grounded, physically punishes, and or have things taken away for a time being even like xbox's, playstations, ect? Who said that God has to help,care , murder or punish us ? |
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The question I ask here is: Will my prayer of being erased from existance be answered? Or am I free to do what I please? Will Almighty God in his infinite wisdom erase anyone? If they ask I mean? If anyone can answer this one that would be wonderfull! If you do nothing /neither good or bad/ or you live in hatred and fears , then God has heard your prayers and granted them - you has erased yourself from existence . Physical existence doesn't mean you are alive . |
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Is The Rapture the way that God will rid the Earth of Christians and therefore Christianity ...when The Rapture takes place God supposedly will kill/murder all the christians on the planet and take them off the planet thereby ending the religion ...there can be no dispute that in the bible everytime God kills/murder a mass amount of people it was because he was displease with them.... this is why the Rapture can be viewed as being a prophecy of doom for believers instead of a blessing First who said that God will kill/murder someone , doesn't matter if this is Christians or non Christians when the Rapture takes place ? |
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So, if a God or Gods truly exist...what is humanities worth to it/them? What are we worth to a God or Gods in a universe that doesn't flicker when we die, doesn't cry when we are in pain, a universe that if this entire world was destroyed wouldn't shake or tremble one bit. The logical side of me thinks that if a God or Gods truly created everything, I hardly think it or they really care if we die off given that we are such a minimal aspect of the entire universe and that everything outside of this world is perfectly crafted and stands out magestically when compared to earth. Ok , more logical is the question :" Why we humans try to put God in the limited parameters and shaped it similar to our ideas and imaginations abt God . Why God has to care about us or help or punish ? |
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finding my pics!
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chocolina
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Thu 12/09/10 06:03 PM
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start menu>>> search>>> name of your picture
or check also in your Recycle bin |
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