You are making my point. The point is that God wants to be loved and respected, not feared. "yare'" (fear) properly means "honor, respect, to stand in awe of".



Star Trek was a TV show and a series of movies. They aren't historical documents.

I did read the whole post. But a word's meaning, bottom line, has to stand on its own.

Respect and fear as individual words can stand alone, and they can go together to form a different concept.

But standing alone, fear just means fear, and if it is supposed to mean respect, then it is ambiguous.

Example:

I see a bear in the woods. I respect the bear. It is powerful and it could kill me. I may or may not fear the bear. If he starts coming after me, then I can honestly say that I fear the bear... at the same time respecting him, but the fear sort of leaves the respect behind. Its just fear.

If the bear were my pet whom I raised from a cub and I knew and trusted him, I would still respect him for his power and his size and his ability to kill me etc. But I may not fear him at all.

"Fear God" means something different to me than "Respect God."

I respect my first husband but I do not fear him.
I feared my second husband but I did not respect him much.

Big difference.

JB

I know that, but it was a show with a very clear message.

The Bible is a series of stories made into a book but they aren't considered to be accurate history.

JB

JB...ok but that is how YOU see it...not me. who decides one person's interpretation of a word or meaning is right or wrong?

By popular vote. And the Dictionary I suppose.

I’m totally there right with you Slow.

I know my posts often don’t give that impression. I so totally denounce the “biblical picture” of God that it sounds like I’m denounce every single word in the book. That’s certainly not true. In fact, I often state that I’m in complete moral agreement with the Teaching’s of Jesus. Although I’m quick to point out that even His teachings appear to be in conflict (or at least to override) teachings of the Old Testament.

My major point is that the “book” (which is really a collection of different stories), is overall in conflict with itself. So while it may have great value in places, there are other places where it appears (at least to me) to be total demagoguery that seems to have been added for the sole purpose of intimidating people to believe in the organized religious that use this book as their foundation.



I also agree with you here! There are places in the Bible that are in total agreement with the idea that God is nature, and those parts of the bible support a pantheistic view of God.

As I pointed out, in my previous lengthy post It says right in the bible not to build a church from hewn stone or have steps leading up to the altar, or we will have polluted the spirit of God.

Well, clearly then the biblical picture of God got way off track because most churches that worship the biblical God are in complete disobedience of the directives of the Biblical God. They are stone cathedrals with steps leading up to an altar where they have placed the very book that tells them not to do that!!!

Something went drastically wrong along the way. God’s pureness was lost. Instead of being omniscient in nature, God became a judgmental demon sitting on a thrown with his son sitting next to him. A son who was butchered to appease God’s thirst for blood. Somehow this God became a God who is appeased by blood sacrifices. It’s not the same God that it started out to be.

All I’m saying is that overall, the picture got way off track. Something went terribly wrong with the religion and the book.

ty...I was trying to get you in that direction

first of all...I didn't vote and as far as I know there wasn't a vote on meanings and definitions

second...the dictionary is composed by "man" and there are ancient words like can't be accurately translated. who is to say ole Noah Webster didn't leave out meanings of words that he didn't like???? Kind of the same as the Bible don't you think? You hold onto a book comprised of men of definitions but Chrisitans aren't allowed to feel the same as the Bible and what it says???? doesn't Webster define that as a hypocrite? I could be wrong though because I'm only human and so is Webster

Well, if you believe you're from Missouri, then I'll believe it too.



No offence taken. And I totally agree. Often times the debates do become truly absurd. From my point of view that’s just humorous and often provides me with a laugh. Other times, I can see that the other person is so serious it’s almost scary. And can be quite depressing when they’re preaching fire and brimstone or the doomsday prophecies of all mankind.

I often wonder why they are so intense about believing that God would be such a bully. Seems to me that it would be a depressing to believe that the creator of this universe would actually be the way they describe him.

you rot in the ground...what do you think happens?!! pixies take you to lala land?!!

lol that's when abra writes a poem about you lol

Excuse me,...

Just a personal note to YellowRose,...(and anyone else it may concern)

Did you hear Wabbit sing the hummmingbird poem yet?

http://www.csonline.net/designer/ideas/humbird.htm

lol abra....i don't have speakers...and a little scared about the song lol

now is this song the same as my poem??? lol

Hmmm. Could be there wouldn't be anyone to pay the light bill after I am gone.

It's the one where you roast the hummingbird.

You can read the lyrics on the web page even without the music. There's also come graphics there, you might enjoy the photo of the inflamed vegan.

Anywhere you go Rainbow, I'm sure they'll be light.

lol it doesn't matter what it says...I'm honored and take it as a compliment to have a poem and song dedicated to me. and I love the fact that it's done in the spirit of joking.

lol graphics???? wow i do feel special now lol

you 2 are going through a lot of special trouble in my honor lol

I THINK WE JUST LAY IN OUR COFFIN AND ROT!!!

If you choose to disagree with Dictionary's then I have no case. But..

My point is that if people want to communicate effectively it would be nice if they used the same interpretations for words.

The people who write and re-write dictionaries actually have to go by how people mostly use the words.

(Some dictionaries might define fear as "respect" and "awe" It don't know.)

But the basic and common meaning for the word is still FEAR. To be afraid for your life or bodily harm or punishment or whatever.

Now the translation from old Hebrew text may have gotten turned around to come out with the word "fear" for lack of a better word. And I guess that is why the Bible is interpretated so differently by different people and that is why I don't take it literally or fuss or the literal translations.

I do see your point though.

JB

glad you see my point JB. it's all about how we interprete and believe. the world will NEVER come together in agreement so you have to accept it as that is how they feel and this is how I feel. so therefore...no one has a right to be arrogant enough to say someone is wrong...correct?

We were actually honoring the deceased bird.

No, I’m just kidding!!!

Of course it’s just fun and silliness. I’m a carnivore myself, (don’t know about Wabbit). However, I was a vegetarian at one time, and I’m working toward heading back to that diet. It’s actually quite difficult to be a vegetarian in this day and age. Especially when trying to eat at restaurants.

I guess the dead hummingbird song is fitting for this thread.

Where do humming birds go when they die?

They become the object of silly poems about carnivorous ballerinas.