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And then what are we doing with all of the prison guards we currently have? Are we putting only newly convicted felons there? Or are we going back and taking them out of the prison system now? Are we re-trying the ones we take from the prisons now? Are people up on felonies going to have better lawyers than the "public pretenders"? Is it something where when indited they automatically go to "special court" for this, or can any and all judges use this? Daniel your questions have so many loose ends.... I am not saying the idea is perfect as it is. It definitely needs to be "tweaked and peaked" so to speak. Arguments could be made as to sending all current lifers straight to an island, but arguments could also be made towards keeping them where they are and simply sending all new lifers to the island. Me personally, I would say start with the new lifers, making sure the judges who sentenced for life were ones who would not sentence thus, unless there was absolutely no question as to a persons guilt first. We simply have way too many innocent people who were int he wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak, in prison for life right now. e could restructure the current prisons, over time to incorporate the non-lifers, and give them a place to work while still remaining confined for the duration of their sentence; as one example. We would still need the guards and such, their roles would just shift a bit towards secure prisons, instead of maximum security, so to speak. Yea in that perfect place called Never-Never Land with Peter Pan! ![]() ![]() |
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And then what are we doing with all of the prison guards we currently have? Are we putting only newly convicted felons there? Or are we going back and taking them out of the prison system now? Are we re-trying the ones we take from the prisons now? Are people up on felonies going to have better lawyers than the "public pretenders"? Is it something where when indited they automatically go to "special court" for this, or can any and all judges use this? Daniel your questions have so many loose ends.... I am not saying the idea is perfect as it is. It definitely needs to be "tweaked and peaked" so to speak. Arguments could be made as to sending all current lifers straight to an island, but arguments could also be made towards keeping them where they are and simply sending all new lifers to the island. Me personally, I would say start with the new lifers, making sure the judges who sentenced for life were ones who would not sentence thus, unless there was absolutely no question as to a persons guilt first. We simply have way too many innocent people who were int he wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak, in prison for life right now. e could restructure the current prisons, over time to incorporate the non-lifers, and give them a place to work while still remaining confined for the duration of their sentence; as one example. We would still need the guards and such, their roles would just shift a bit towards secure prisons, instead of maximum security, so to speak. The guilt is decided by the jury, not the judge, the judge only hands down the sentence... As I said, the JUDGE has to be able to decide NOT to send someone to prison for life, instead of automatically sending them. |
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And then what are we doing with all of the prison guards we currently have? Are we putting only newly convicted felons there? Or are we going back and taking them out of the prison system now? Are we re-trying the ones we take from the prisons now? Are people up on felonies going to have better lawyers than the "public pretenders"? Is it something where when indited they automatically go to "special court" for this, or can any and all judges use this? Daniel your questions have so many loose ends.... I am not saying the idea is perfect as it is. It definitely needs to be "tweaked and peaked" so to speak. Arguments could be made as to sending all current lifers straight to an island, but arguments could also be made towards keeping them where they are and simply sending all new lifers to the island. Me personally, I would say start with the new lifers, making sure the judges who sentenced for life were ones who would not sentence thus, unless there was absolutely no question as to a persons guilt first. We simply have way too many innocent people who were int he wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak, in prison for life right now. e could restructure the current prisons, over time to incorporate the non-lifers, and give them a place to work while still remaining confined for the duration of their sentence; as one example. We would still need the guards and such, their roles would just shift a bit towards secure prisons, instead of maximum security, so to speak. Yea in that perfect place called Never-Never Land with Peter Pan! ![]() ![]() if that is what we want as a nation, then thats what we should push for. |
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And then what are we doing with all of the prison guards we currently have? Are we putting only newly convicted felons there? Or are we going back and taking them out of the prison system now? Are we re-trying the ones we take from the prisons now? Are people up on felonies going to have better lawyers than the "public pretenders"? Is it something where when indited they automatically go to "special court" for this, or can any and all judges use this? Daniel your questions have so many loose ends.... I am not saying the idea is perfect as it is. It definitely needs to be "tweaked and peaked" so to speak. Arguments could be made as to sending all current lifers straight to an island, but arguments could also be made towards keeping them where they are and simply sending all new lifers to the island. Me personally, I would say start with the new lifers, making sure the judges who sentenced for life were ones who would not sentence thus, unless there was absolutely no question as to a persons guilt first. We simply have way too many innocent people who were int he wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak, in prison for life right now. e could restructure the current prisons, over time to incorporate the non-lifers, and give them a place to work while still remaining confined for the duration of their sentence; as one example. We would still need the guards and such, their roles would just shift a bit towards secure prisons, instead of maximum security, so to speak. The guilt is decided by the jury, not the judge, the judge only hands down the sentence... As I said, the JUDGE has to be able to decide NOT to send someone to prison for life, instead of automatically sending them. The sentence is already decided based on the verdict of the jury... 1st degree murder either gets life or death... there's not much else the judge can do... Do you think that judges just arbitrarily pass out sentences? They have standards they have to adhear to. |
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And then what are we doing with all of the prison guards we currently have? Are we putting only newly convicted felons there? Or are we going back and taking them out of the prison system now? Are we re-trying the ones we take from the prisons now? Are people up on felonies going to have better lawyers than the "public pretenders"? Is it something where when indited they automatically go to "special court" for this, or can any and all judges use this? Daniel your questions have so many loose ends.... I am not saying the idea is perfect as it is. It definitely needs to be "tweaked and peaked" so to speak. Arguments could be made as to sending all current lifers straight to an island, but arguments could also be made towards keeping them where they are and simply sending all new lifers to the island. Me personally, I would say start with the new lifers, making sure the judges who sentenced for life were ones who would not sentence thus, unless there was absolutely no question as to a persons guilt first. We simply have way too many innocent people who were int he wrong place at the wrong time, so to speak, in prison for life right now. e could restructure the current prisons, over time to incorporate the non-lifers, and give them a place to work while still remaining confined for the duration of their sentence; as one example. We would still need the guards and such, their roles would just shift a bit towards secure prisons, instead of maximum security, so to speak. The guilt is decided by the jury, not the judge, the judge only hands down the sentence... As I said, the JUDGE has to be able to decide NOT to send someone to prison for life, instead of automatically sending them. The sentence is already decided based on the verdict of the jury... 1st degree murder either gets life or death... there's not much else the judge can do... Do you think that judges just arbitrarily pass out sentences? They have standards they have to adhear to. I undertand this. But again, the judge has the legal capability of reducing a conviction if they feel it is necessary. For example, say you or I were found guilty of 1st degree murder by a jury. The judge can reduce that charge to say second degree manslaughter. No it does not happen very often, but it is possible if the judge feels there is enough reason to doubt that it was premeditated. And this scenario is the defining decision between life imprisonment and parole possibilities. The judge is also capable of dismissing the jury altogether and handing down a verdict of their own, although again it rarely happens. |
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I undertand this. But again, the judge has the legal capability of reducing a conviction if they feel it is necessary. For example, say you or I were found guilty of 1st degree murder by a jury. The judge can reduce that charge to say second degree manslaughter. No it does not happen very often, but it is possible if the judge feels there is enough reason to doubt that it was premeditated. And this scenario is the defining decision between life imprisonment and parole possibilities. The judge is also capable of dismissing the jury altogether and handing down a verdict of their own, although again it rarely happens. that is called an appeal, and it happens AFTER the initial trial, a judge can not change what a jury finds... So to appeal is to have a new trial, a plea bargin happens before the trial ends. and if you know you are going to be sent to a island, how many are not going to plea guilty and NOT waste the tax payers money on a trial, ALL INDITMENTS WILL GO TO TRIAL AT THAT POINT. Besides the fact that a MAJOR vote has to take place to make this happen, and really I don't see people voting to make prisoners cast aways. Daniel if you are going to argue law, please read up on it first. |
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I undertand this. But again, the judge has the legal capability of reducing a conviction if they feel it is necessary. For example, say you or I were found guilty of 1st degree murder by a jury. The judge can reduce that charge to say second degree manslaughter. No it does not happen very often, but it is possible if the judge feels there is enough reason to doubt that it was premeditated. And this scenario is the defining decision between life imprisonment and parole possibilities. The judge is also capable of dismissing the jury altogether and handing down a verdict of their own, although again it rarely happens. that is called an appeal, and it happens AFTER the initial trial, a judge can not change what a jury finds... So to appeal is to have a new trial, a plea bargin happens before the trial ends. and if you know you are going to be sent to a island, how many are not going to plea guilty and NOT waste the tax payers money on a trial, ALL INDITMENTS WILL GO TO TRIAL AT THAT POINT. Besides the fact that a MAJOR vote has to take place to make this happen, and really I don't see people voting to make prisoners cast aways. Daniel if you are going to argue law, please read up on it first. Lily, please go back to school or at least do some home study. Judges do have the legal capability of diminishing a charge, and dismissing a jury if they feel the need is there. Again, it is rarely done. But then again, in most places it is still illegal to have sex in any way other than missionary style, with your legal spouse and in your marriage bed. yet do you see people being charged with any crimes for not obeying this law? Of course not. A judge does have these capabilities, just as a cop has the capability of arresting you if you go out and state (admit) you had anal sex with your significant other (in most places). Does this mean they act on those capabilities? No it doesn't. But it does not change the fact that they are stillc apable of doing so. |
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Edited by
Lily0923
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Mon 06/16/08 11:30 PM
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I undertand this. But again, the judge has the legal capability of reducing a conviction if they feel it is necessary. For example, say you or I were found guilty of 1st degree murder by a jury. The judge can reduce that charge to say second degree manslaughter. No it does not happen very often, but it is possible if the judge feels there is enough reason to doubt that it was premeditated. And this scenario is the defining decision between life imprisonment and parole possibilities. The judge is also capable of dismissing the jury altogether and handing down a verdict of their own, although again it rarely happens. that is called an appeal, and it happens AFTER the initial trial, a judge can not change what a jury finds... So to appeal is to have a new trial, a plea bargin happens before the trial ends. and if you know you are going to be sent to a island, how many are not going to plea guilty and NOT waste the tax payers money on a trial, ALL INDITMENTS WILL GO TO TRIAL AT THAT POINT. Besides the fact that a MAJOR vote has to take place to make this happen, and really I don't see people voting to make prisoners cast aways. Daniel if you are going to argue law, please read up on it first. Lily, please go back to school or at least do some home study. Judges do have the legal capability of diminishing a charge, and dismissing a jury if they feel the need is there. Again, it is rarely done. But then again, in most places it is still illegal to have sex in any way other than missionary style, with your legal spouse and in your marriage bed. yet do you see people being charged with any crimes for not obeying this law? Of course not. A judge does have these capabilities, just as a cop has the capability of arresting you if you go out and state (admit) you had anal sex with your significant other (in most places). Does this mean they act on those capabilities? No it doesn't. But it does not change the fact that they are stillc apable of doing so. this is what happens when people are losing a debate, they turn to the "oddities" of the subject to prove the point... The scenario you decribe happens in less than 1% of the cases in the entire united states.... The reason it doesn't happen is that what kind of trust could we put in the justice system if the judges over ruled the jury's decision...Think about what a totalitarian state we would be in... We could go back to England and never be free from monarchy.... Daniel use your head here. And the crack about school... Trust me I have more than you think... ![]() |
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actually the judge has a lot of power
if he sees fit he can set aside the verdict of the jury and he can sentence time served there are suggested penalties but they are not mandatory i still like the smaller multiple farm idea myself easier to maintain and control |
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Edited by
transientmind
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dumbest thing i have ever heard That's how Australia was settled. During the Irish Potato Famine, a British starvation op. The blight hit Britain and Britain hit Ireland. The Pictoral Times, October 10, 1846: "Around them is plenty; rickyards, in full contempt, stand under their snug thatch, calculating the chances of advancing prices; or, the thrashed grain safely stored awaits only the opportunity of conveyance to be taken far away to feed strangers...But a strong arm interposes to hold the maddened infuriates away. Property laws supersede those of Nature. Grain is of more value than blood. And if they attempt to take of the fatness of the land that belongs to their lords, death by musketry, is a cheap government measure to provide for the wants of a starving and incensed people." Those who resisted were killed or sent to Australia, among other places. |
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