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Topic: penal colonies instead of prisons
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Mon 06/16/08 08:11 AM
For those that don't already know my opinion on the matter, here it is.
I believe that anyone who is sentenced to life in prison without parole (not going to go in to who should or should not be sentenced thus), should be shipped to an island in the middle of the ocean, or a chain of islands. They should be left on those islands with absolutely no contact with humanity for the rest of their lives.

Let them grow their own food; let them create their own shelters. Let them kill each other off if thats what they want to do. There would be no physical contact from that island, ever. The navy or coast guard would move in so close, and drop the prisoners overboard (close enough they would not drown due to inability to swim), and the navy or coast guard would include patrole of the waters around that chain of islands in their normal watch, shooting down any craft in the water, that does not identify itself in some manner, thus ensuring hte least likelihood of escape from that island.

This owuld have several benefits. It would free up our prisons, reduce the strain on the public paying for the prisons, and seeing as the navy/coastguard already patrol those waters in their normal duties, it would not increase cost on their side by anything large enough to be noticed.
Yes, although anything is POSSIBLE, it is highly unlikely that a prisoner would survive trying to escape the island, and thus we would no longer have to worry about repeat offenders getting into society again.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:17 AM
dumbest thing i have ever heard

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Mon 06/16/08 08:17 AM
what happens to prisoner wrongly accused that end up being found innocent years later........this does still happen

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Mon 06/16/08 08:18 AM

dumbest thing i have ever heard



can't be that dumb..........how many movie's have they made about this nowlaugh laugh laugh

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Mon 06/16/08 08:22 AM

For those that don't already know my opinion on the matter, here it is.
I believe that anyone who is sentenced to life in prison without parole (not going to go in to who should or should not be sentenced thus), should be shipped to an island in the middle of the ocean, or a chain of islands. They should be left on those islands with absolutely no contact with humanity for the rest of their lives.

Let them grow their own food; let them create their own shelters. Let them kill each other off if thats what they want to do. There would be no physical contact from that island, ever. The navy or coast guard would move in so close, and drop the prisoners overboard (close enough they would not drown due to inability to swim), and the navy or coast guard would include patrole of the waters around that chain of islands in their normal watch, shooting down any craft in the water, that does not identify itself in some manner, thus ensuring hte least likelihood of escape from that island.

This owuld have several benefits. It would free up our prisons, reduce the strain on the public paying for the prisons, and seeing as the navy/coastguard already patrol those waters in their normal duties, it would not increase cost on their side by anything large enough to be noticed.
Yes, although anything is POSSIBLE, it is highly unlikely that a prisoner would survive trying to escape the island, and thus we would no longer have to worry about repeat offenders getting into society again.



there is one of those within 50 mile of me

it is the grafton prison farm (probably called something else due to the political correctness bs now but it is still there drove past it within the last month or so

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Mon 06/16/08 08:26 AM

dumbest thing i have ever heard


That's how Australia was settled.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:28 AM
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dumbest thing i have ever heard


That's how Australia was settled.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:28 AM
I agree with the sherriff in Phoenix that has a prison camp. He makes them sleep in tents, wear pink and eat bologne sandwhiches. And his reason for it is... "if sleeping in hot tents in the desert is good enough for our troops, it's good enough for our prisoners"

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Mon 06/16/08 08:48 AM


For those that don't already know my opinion on the matter, here it is.
I believe that anyone who is sentenced to life in prison without parole (not going to go in to who should or should not be sentenced thus), should be shipped to an island in the middle of the ocean, or a chain of islands. They should be left on those islands with absolutely no contact with humanity for the rest of their lives.

Let them grow their own food; let them create their own shelters. Let them kill each other off if thats what they want to do. There would be no physical contact from that island, ever. The navy or coast guard would move in so close, and drop the prisoners overboard (close enough they would not drown due to inability to swim), and the navy or coast guard would include patrole of the waters around that chain of islands in their normal watch, shooting down any craft in the water, that does not identify itself in some manner, thus ensuring hte least likelihood of escape from that island.

This owuld have several benefits. It would free up our prisons, reduce the strain on the public paying for the prisons, and seeing as the navy/coastguard already patrol those waters in their normal duties, it would not increase cost on their side by anything large enough to be noticed.
Yes, although anything is POSSIBLE, it is highly unlikely that a prisoner would survive trying to escape the island, and thus we would no longer have to worry about repeat offenders getting into society again.



there is one of those within 50 mile of me

it is the grafton prison farm (probably called something else due to the political correctness bs now but it is still there drove past it within the last month or so


Not the same thing if you can drive by it adj. I am talking complete and total seperation form society. Absolutely no possibility of contact.

They tried it with alcatraz island, but the island was too close to the mainland and prisoners were able to swim for shore, even if only a few made it.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:49 AM

I agree with the sherriff in Phoenix that has a prison camp. He makes them sleep in tents, wear pink and eat bologne sandwhiches. And his reason for it is... "if sleeping in hot tents in the desert is good enough for our troops, it's good enough for our prisoners"



I like his approach as well, especially for the non-life prisoners.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:50 AM

dumbest thing i have ever heard


hey instead of coming in and sounding so negative, how about explaining WHY you feel it is a dumb idea? I mean I took the time to show some of the good aspects of it, you could at least try and point out some of hte bad.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:52 AM

what happens to prisoner wrongly accused that end up being found innocent years later........this does still happen


I know, and I wish there was soemthing that could honestly be done to prevent that. But nothing is perfect. The best thing I can say is make sure those we elect in as judges are ready to NOT commit someone to life unless there is absolutely no doubt of their guilt, and the need for seperation from society for life.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:58 AM
actually your idea isnt bad, but I think the oregon penal system has a good plan too.
they take prisoners who have earned it and let them work in a textile mill.......the wages that would normally be paid to them is put into an account. they then use this money to pay for their own prison time, and they usually have 2-3000 saved up by the time they're released. which allows them to re-enter society.
they are selling the clothes over seas and helping our economy as well.
its called prison blues....check it out

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Mon 06/16/08 08:59 AM
i'll pick them up in my helicopter when the coast guard isn't looking....

if you can't swim...they'll throw you in, anyway.

let them kill each other if they want.....cruel and unusual punishment

would not add any cost.....??? of course it would ...transport costs alone would be thousands per person....

air drop supplies, guns, boats, anti aircraft missiles..etc


didn't work in the dry tortugas during civil war...would not work now....no control






dumbest thing i have ever heard


hey instead of coming in and sounding so negative, how about explaining WHY you feel it is a dumb idea? I mean I took the time to show some of the good aspects of it, you could at least try and point out some of hte bad.

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Mon 06/16/08 08:59 AM
I can understand your frustration with the penal system. I believe differently, however. The system is set up to fail, and miserably.

The people who ultimately end up with a life sentence have more than likely been in and out of the system, and their behaviors escalated over time. This is not always the case, I understand.

I think if we would apply more resources to rehabilitation, rather than incarceration, we would see a drastic drop in the rate of recidivism. I'm not a bleeding heart; I'm looking at this from a fiscal, as well as humanitarian, viewpoint.

In Kansas, for example, it costs the state (us) around $30,000 for one year of incarceration. The national recidivism rate is roughly 70%. If we would apply a fraction of that $30,000 to teach people life skills, social skills, marketable skills, etc. post-incarceration, we wouldn't see such a merry-go-round in the prison system. I also understand that some ex-prisoners would not choose to take advantage of such a system, but for those who did, we would see an impact, I believe. It's not just about the felon; it's about his/her family, kids, etc.

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Mon 06/16/08 09:03 AM

I agree with the sherriff in Phoenix that has a prison camp. He makes them sleep in tents, wear pink and eat bologne sandwhiches. And his reason for it is... "if sleeping in hot tents in the desert is good enough for our troops, it's good enough for our prisoners"



Go Sheriff Joe. The pink includes the color of their underwear. He does allow them to listen to the radio. But there is only one station they can listen to...his. He is known as the "Toughest Sheriff in America". Treats all prisoners the same.

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Mon 06/16/08 09:04 AM

actually your idea isnt bad, but I think the oregon penal system has a good plan too.
they take prisoners who have earned it and let them work in a textile mill.......the wages that would normally be paid to them is put into an account. they then use this money to pay for their own prison time, and they usually have 2-3000 saved up by the time they're released. which allows them to re-enter society.
they are selling the clothes over seas and helping our economy as well.
its called prison blues....check it out



I like this. It follows the assumption that ex-prisoners CAN be successful and productive if given the tools to do so.

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Mon 06/16/08 09:04 AM

actually your idea isnt bad, but I think the oregon penal system has a good plan too.
they take prisoners who have earned it and let them work in a textile mill.......the wages that would normally be paid to them is put into an account. they then use this money to pay for their own prison time, and they usually have 2-3000 saved up by the time they're released. which allows them to re-enter society.
they are selling the clothes over seas and helping our economy as well.
its called prison blues....check it out


Oh I have seen that system several different places and I like it as well, but again not for the life-termers :wink: I also wish they would make it legal for a judge to offer military instead of jail for certain offenses again (like habitual shoplifting etc)

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Mon 06/16/08 09:12 AM


actually your idea isnt bad, but I think the oregon penal system has a good plan too.
they take prisoners who have earned it and let them work in a textile mill.......the wages that would normally be paid to them is put into an account. they then use this money to pay for their own prison time, and they usually have 2-3000 saved up by the time they're released. which allows them to re-enter society.
they are selling the clothes over seas and helping our economy as well.
its called prison blues....check it out


Oh I have seen that system several different places and I like it as well, but again not for the life-termers :wink: I also wish they would make it legal for a judge to offer military instead of jail for certain offenses again (like habitual shoplifting etc)
why not have a plan for the lifers as well?? they all could be paying for their time,
wouldnt all factories need supervisors. or people that were skilled to train in the newbies??
instead of labels reading .....made in china, they would read made in the USA.......
imagine what that would do for the economy, your teaching life skills,and you've reduced the costs of housing prisoners by 80%

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Mon 06/16/08 09:30 AM

i'll pick them up in my helicopter when the coast guard isn't looking....


no you wouldnt. Your helicopter would show on military radar, and you would be shot down for being in restricted airsapce.

if you can't swim...they'll throw you in, anyway. [/qoute] Thats why I say have the ship go in close enough that you WONT drown. and trust me, a rubber raft could be used, with it being protected by gunman (same scenario basically as an attempted prison break)

let them kill each other if they want.....cruel and unusual punishment
nothing cruel about it. They are being exhiled from society. What they do after they leave is up to them.

would not add any cost.....??? of course it would ...transport costs alone would be thousands per person....


coordinate the transport with when a ship is going out there to begin with. And even if we had to set up something specifically for this, a few thousand dollars to transport them ONCE, would be significantly less than paying for them to stay in prison for the rest of theirs lives.

air drop supplies, guns, boats, anti aircraft missiles..etc
again, same as using your helicopter, you would be shot out of the air long before reaching the island. And where would you, a common citizen come up with guns and boats (let alone military weapons) to let them overcome a naval ship, or a coast guard ship?


didn't work in the dry tortugas during civil war...would not work now....no control

I don't know anything about the tortugas, will look them up shortly. however, I have to say, knowing that there is a military armed ship of some kind ready to shoot me down, would be enough of control for my mind.


I appreciate your coming back in and clarifying your reasonings, however as you can see, they don't hold much water at this point.






dumbest thing i have ever heard


hey instead of coming in and sounding so negative, how about explaining WHY you feel it is a dumb idea? I mean I took the time to show some of the good aspects of it, you could at least try and point out some of hte bad.


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