How can anyone say they do not believe in the Bible? Sure there are freedoms that protect your right not to, but there are so many prophecies that have come true. Most of them are in the form of a parable. You ask why this is and why it's so difficult to understand. Because we as human beings are incabable of understanding the world beyond us. We only use 3% of our brains. But here is a prophecy that no one can deny. September 11, 2001.

The burning of New York was a fulcrum that dramatically and permanently changed western civilization, altering world history forever.

A seminal event and heavily documented in scripture, it fits the time-line predicted for it's occurrance too closely to be ignored, for it matches with precision the size and details of tthe visions which foresaw it.

(Ex.19:10)) Exactly nine months into the third day, the handwritting of the Lord etched itself on the walls of the city.
(Dn.5:5) incarnating scripture in stunning images that left the whole world (who watched in horror) transfixed by it's unfolding message.
(Is.23:13-14) Look at the land of Kittim...they have set up towers.
(Is.30:25) On every high mountain and upon every high hill, there will be streams and watercourses, on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
(Is.28:4-6) Trust in God forever for the Lord is the everlasting rock; he has brought low those who have lived high up in the steep citadel; he brings it down, brings it down to the ground, flings it down in the dust; the feet of the lowly, the foot steps of the poor trample on it.
(Ez.26:3-4) They will destroy the walls of Tyre, they will demolish her towers; I will sweep away her dust and leave her a naked rock.
(Ez.26:12-14) Your wealth will be seized, your merchandise looted, your walls razed, your luxurious houses shattered, your stones, your timbers, your very dust, thrown into the sea. I will stop your music and songs...I will reduce you to a naked rock.
(Jer.51:53) Were Babylon to scale the heavens, or reinforce her towering citadel, destroyers would still fall on her at my command, it is God who speaks.
(Rev.18:7-8) I am queen on my throne, she says to herself, and I am no widow and shall never be in mourning. For that, within a single day, the plagues will fall on her: disease and mourning and femine. She will be burnt right up. The Lord God has condemned her, and he has great power.
(Rev.18:9) There will be mourning and weeping for her by the kings of the earth who have fornicated with her and lived with her in luxury. They see the smoke as she burns, while they keep at a safe distance from fear of her agony.
(Rev.18:15-17) The traders who have made a fortune out of her will standing at a safe distance from fear of her agony, mourning and weeping. They will be saying: 'Mourn, mourn for this great city; for all the linen and purple and scarlet that you wore, for all your finery of gold, jewels, and pearls; your riches are all destroyed within a single hour.
(Rev.18:4-5) A new voice spoke from heaven; I heard it say, 'Come out, my people, away from her so that you do not share in her crimes and have the same plagues to bear.

There is much more, but too much to type here. But you get my point. At least I hop you do.

hahaha - was but a joke spider

sorry amathyst, that was fufilled then nt now - the towers here stood much longer than an hour, there were "christian's" who died there not pagan's, and your taking writing meant to be symbolic as literal, the whole of prophetic literature was either meant to tell the people what was soon to come or a forth telling - or - those that would come later - a fore-telling- tyre was destroyed then not recently, i know your being honest about what you think but read up on the symbolic language so you know it better in all instances please

Like I said before and I'll say it again. Everyone has the right to believe however they so choose. To me, this is a prophecy that cannot be denied. I'm sure others will disagree and some will see it for what it is. I respect that. But I will continue to believe the bible is the word of God himself translated through man. And I do believe it is a road map that will guide you if you let it.

How can anyone say they do not believe in the Bible? Sure there are freedoms that protect your right not to, but there are so many prophecies that have come true. Most of them are in the form of a parable. You ask why this is and why it's so difficult to understand. Because we as human beings are incabable of understanding the world beyond us. We only use 3% of our brains. But here is a prophecy that no one can deny. September 11, 2001.

"The burning of New York was a fulcrum that dramatically and permanently changed western civilization, altering world history forever.

A seminal event and heavily documented in scripture, it fits the time-line predicted for it's occurrance too closely to be ignored, for it matches with precision the size and details of tthe visions which foresaw it."

http://goodnewspirit.com/towers-babylon.htm

(Ex.19:10)) Exactly nine months into the third day, the handwritting of the Lord etched itself on the walls of the city.
(Dn.5:5) incarnating scripture in stunning images that left the whole world (who watched in horror) transfixed by it's unfolding message.
(Is.23:13-14) Look at the land of Kittim...they have set up towers.
(Is.30:25) On every high mountain and upon every high hill, there will be streams and watercourses, on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
(Is.28:4-6) Trust in God forever for the Lord is the everlasting rock; he has brought low those who have lived high up in the steep citadel; he brings it down, brings it down to the ground, flings it down in the dust; the feet of the lowly, the foot steps of the poor trample on it.
(Ez.26:3-4) They will destroy the walls of Tyre, they will demolish her towers; I will sweep away her dust and leave her a naked rock.
(Ez.26:12-14) Your wealth will be seized, your merchandise looted, your walls razed, your luxurious houses shattered, your stones, your timbers, your very dust, thrown into the sea. I will stop your music and songs...I will reduce you to a naked rock.
(Jer.51:53) Were Babylon to scale the heavens, or reinforce her towering citadel, destroyers would still fall on her at my command, it is God who speaks.
(Rev.18:7-8) I am queen on my throne, she says to herself, and I am no widow and shall never be in mourning. For that, within a single day, the plagues will fall on her: disease and mourning and femine. She will be burnt right up. The Lord God has condemned her, and he has great power.
(Rev.18:9) There will be mourning and weeping for her by the kings of the earth who have fornicated with her and lived with her in luxury. They see the smoke as she burns, while they keep at a safe distance from fear of her agony.
(Rev.18:15-17) The traders who have made a fortune out of her will standing at a safe distance from fear of her agony, mourning and weeping. They will be saying: 'Mourn, mourn for this great city; for all the linen and purple and scarlet that you wore, for all your finery of gold, jewels, and pearls; your riches are all destroyed within a single hour.
(Rev.18:4-5) A new voice spoke from heaven; I heard it say, 'Come out, my people, away from her so that you do not share in her crimes and have the same plagues to bear.

There is much more, but too much to type here. But you get my point. At least I hope you do.

How can anyone say they do not believe in the Bible? Sure there are freedoms that protect your right not to, but there are so many prophecies that have come true. Most of them are in the form of a parable. You ask why this is and why it's so difficult to understand. Because we as human beings are incabable of understanding the world beyond us. We only use 3% of our brains. But here is a prophecy that no one can deny. September 11, 2001.

"The burning of New York was a fulcrum that dramatically and permanently changed western civilization, altering world history forever.

A seminal event and heavily documented in scripture, it fits the time-line predicted for it's occurrance too closely to be ignored, for it matches with precision the size and details of tthe visions which foresaw it."

http://goodnewspirit.com/towers-babylon.htm

(Ex.19:10)) Exactly nine months into the third day, the handwritting of the Lord etched itself on the walls of the city.
(Dn.5:5) incarnating scripture in stunning images that left the whole world (who watched in horror) transfixed by it's unfolding message.
(Is.23:13-14) Look at the land of Kittim...they have set up towers.
(Is.30:25) On every high mountain and upon every high hill, there will be streams and watercourses, on the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
(Is.28:4-6) Trust in God forever for the Lord is the everlasting rock; he has brought low those who have lived high up in the steep citadel; he brings it down, brings it down to the ground, flings it down in the dust; the feet of the lowly, the foot steps of the poor trample on it.
(Ez.26:3-4) They will destroy the walls of Tyre, they will demolish her towers; I will sweep away her dust and leave her a naked rock.
(Ez.26:12-14) Your wealth will be seized, your merchandise looted, your walls razed, your luxurious houses shattered, your stones, your timbers, your very dust, thrown into the sea. I will stop your music and songs...I will reduce you to a naked rock.
(Jer.51:53) Were Babylon to scale the heavens, or reinforce her towering citadel, destroyers would still fall on her at my command, it is God who speaks.
(Rev.18:7-8) I am queen on my throne, she says to herself, and I am no widow and shall never be in mourning. For that, within a single day, the plagues will fall on her: disease and mourning and femine. She will be burnt right up. The Lord God has condemned her, and he has great power.
(Rev.18:9) There will be mourning and weeping for her by the kings of the earth who have fornicated with her and lived with her in luxury. They see the smoke as she burns, while they keep at a safe distance from fear of her agony.
(Rev.18:15-17) The traders who have made a fortune out of her will standing at a safe distance from fear of her agony, mourning and weeping. They will be saying: 'Mourn, mourn for this great city; for all the linen and purple and scarlet that you wore, for all your finery of gold, jewels, and pearls; your riches are all destroyed within a single hour.
(Rev.18:4-5) A new voice spoke from heaven; I heard it say, 'Come out, my people, away from her so that you do not share in her crimes and have the same plagues to bear.

There is much more, but too much to type here. But you get my point. At least I hope you do.

Okay, so I am a little confused here. In these bible phrases where God is talking about bringing these towers to the ground and people are saying how God will bring these towers to the ground it seems a little contradictory to what actually happened. See I remember a couple of big planes ramming into these buildings, and I remember those buildings being filled with tons of people. A lot of whom were Christian, and I remember that the people who crashed into the buildings were not followers of the Christian God and did this Kamikaze mission for the promise of being rewarded by their God in the afterlife.

So all I can interpret from what you are saying is that God and his followers predicted that the Christian God would bring down the towers. Although he couldn't even bring them down himself (Or he didn't want to himself) SO he then enlisted people of an entirely different religion to hijack some planes and crash it into those towers. Killing thousands of people. I don't understand why he would do that though. If he and his followers prophecized it would happen wouldn't he want the credit for it?

In Hebrew, an action verb can also mean "allowed". So when it says "God hardened Pharaoh's heart", it's an equally valid (actually more valid given the full context of the Bible) to say that "God allowed Pharaoh to harden his heart".

That's not to say that I agree Amathyst2, I don't at all. Tyre was a real place and it was destroyed just as Ezikiel said it would be. I don't believe that the attacks of 9/11 had anything to do with God and I'm sure that those prophecies aren't speaking of 9/11. There were surely many good people in those towers and God always ensured that the good people didn't suffer his wrath. Rahab and Lot are perfect examples of God sparing the good, when the guilty were punished. In both cases, God saved the good person and the persons family (regardless of the families goodness/wickedness).

Yeah, I believe you are right spider. I apologize as well, that post I made was out of pure sarcasm as opposed to what I actually believe. I thought the connection she was trying to make was extrememly off base.

not off base rathil - just ignorant - we are all ignorant of thing's as i have stated before. i'm just as guilty as she is as i have made assumptions and believed wrongly also about many thing's just as you - sorry amethyst - no offense.

Morning Tribo

And point well taken

Actually what has always confused me. It is not just the book that seems to be required, it is also the Holy Spirit that is needed in order to INTERPRET, PROPERLY, the scriptures.

Perhaps this idea would hold a lot more power if, indeed, interpretation by those who insist they are guided by the HS, actually all came out the same.

But it doesn't - and it only takes a quick look at the all the various sects and denominations to see that the differences in "guidance" from the HS are significant enought to divide allegances.

Actually, I rather believe that there are 'leaders' (very few) who have determined how to translate and what spin to put on scripture and it's not even so much the Bible that is believed as it is THESE people in power, who have LED the interpretation.

Then all people have to do is say the Holy Spirit guided them, when in fact they simply followed the interpretation of another.

Two ideas that need each other to function, properly, and no possible way to back either one up.

you sure your not a gnostic? - sounds like you believe you have "inside revelation" that all other's lack? funny that's a warning sign christians use to claim other's cultist- be careful with your secret knowledge oh high priestess, man thinks of himself more highly than he ought - or do you believe as other misleaders in your cult that you are a god also kenneth copeland benny hinn, hagan, and all the other fakes.