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Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies?
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 08/28/08 03:11 PM
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I cant imagine anyone that believes in killing unborn babies, I do know many people that are faced with tough times in there lives, and I don't believe the government should be in the business of dictating personal choices . . . .
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In different words, is Obama pro-choice? Yes, he is.
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I cant imagine anyone that believes in killing unborn babies, I do know many people that are faced with tough times in there lives, and I don't believe the government should be in the business of dictating personal choices . . . . Is a fetus a human? If not, why not? When does a fetus become a human? If the fetus is a human, then abortion is murder. If the fetus isn't human, why does it have human DNA? If the fetus isn't alive, what definition of "alive" is being used? It's growing. It needs food and oxygen to live. It produces waste products. I think a woman's personal choices end where another human life begins, even if that human life is growing within her body. |
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thats fine for you to say Spider . . . but where does the Government stop then?
If we let the Government have the control to dictate what a woman can do within her own body what does that allow them to do down the road? So we let them dictate what we do with our bodies what we can put in, what we can take out, what we choose for ourselves, so whats next let them tell us we cant have surgery to save our lives? Who gets to decide the rules? Sounds like a road that leads to complete control. I think your completely right in your understanding, but not in the control we should give to Government. |
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thats fine for you to say Spider . . . but where does the Government stop then? If we let the Government have the control to dictate what a woman can do within her own body what does that allow them to do down the road? So we let them dictate what we do with our bodies what we can put in, what we can take out, what we choose for ourselves, so whats next let them tell us we cant have surgery to save our lives? Who gets to decide the rules? Sounds like a road that leads to complete control. I think your completely right in your understanding, but not in the control we should give to Government. No. Uh uh. The question is: Is a fetus a human? If a fetus is a human, then it's not a question of "what a woman does with her body" it's a question of "Will the government allow women to murder their unborn children"? A woman isn't allowed LEGALLY to commit suicide. To be consistent, you must lobby for women to be able to commit suicide or mutilate their own bodies. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 08/28/08 03:32 PM
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Actually the question was "Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies?"
There is a distinction with allowing someone the right of choice, and belief in killing babies . . . I MYSELF, would keep a child if the only consideration was desire, not health ect. If my wife had a high probability of DYING I would want the choice . . . . Your logic is flawed to say allowing someone a choice = belief in killing . . . very different and quit disingenuous. This is just YOUR rhetoric to try to make it a black and white issue, which it is NOT. |
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Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies? The term is PRO CHOICE. Pro-Choice: Sixty-four percent of Americans agree that the decision to have an abortion should be between "a woman, her doctor, her family, her conscience and her God" (Luntz Research Companies, August 2003). As the Gallup Organization explains on their website, reflecting on decades of data: "In part because Americans support the idea of individual choice, they do not want to ban abortion." A CBS News/New York Times question asked in 1982 and again in 1998 shows even larger majorities (68 and 76 percent, respectively) opposed to an amendment to the Constitution that would make all abortions illegal. Moreover, only 19 percent of Americans think that abortions should be illegal in all circumstances, a number that has held steady since the passage of Roe v. Wade (Gallup/Newsweek Historical Poll available at gallup.com). This is an overwhelming popular rejection of the Republican Party platform's perpetual call for a constitutional ban on abortion. So myfemalefriend, you are spreading right wing propaganda.  |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 08/28/08 03:34 PM
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thats fine for you to say Spider . . . but where does the Government stop then? If we let the Government have the control to dictate what a woman can do within her own body what does that allow them to do down the road? So we let them dictate what we do with our bodies what we can put in, what we can take out, what we choose for ourselves, so whats next let them tell us we cant have surgery to save our lives? Who gets to decide the rules? Sounds like a road that leads to complete control. I think your completely right in your understanding, but not in the control we should give to Government. No. Uh uh. The question is: Is a fetus a human? If a fetus is a human, then it's not a question of "what a woman does with her body" it's a question of "Will the government allow women to murder their unborn children"? A woman isn't allowed LEGALLY to commit suicide. To be consistent, you must lobby for women to be able to commit suicide or mutilate their own bodies. No, again your trying to make this black and white, its not. |
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Actually the question was "Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies?" There is a distinction with allowing someone the right of choice, and belief in killing babies . . . I MYSELF, would keep a child if the only consideration was desire, not health ect. If my wife had a high probability of DYING I would want the choice . . . . Your logic is flawed to say allowing someone a choice = belief in killing . . . very different and quit disingenuous. This is just YOUR rhetoric to try to make it a black and white issue, which it is NOT. I was talking about the questions I presented, not the original post. It may be hard to believe, but I can read and do comprehend at least some of what I read. I personally believe that a fetus is a human and therefore should be protected from being murdered. But if the mother's life is in danger, then the necessary steps should be taken to protect her life, even abortion if it is the only way. |
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Actually the question was "Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies?" There is a distinction with allowing someone the right of choice, and belief in killing babies . . . I MYSELF, would keep a child if the only consideration was desire, not health ect. If my wife had a high probability of DYING I would want the choice . . . . Your logic is flawed to say allowing someone a choice = belief in killing . . . very different and quit disingenuous. This is just YOUR rhetoric to try to make it a black and white issue, which it is NOT. I was talking about the questions I presented, not the original post. It may be hard to believe, but I can read and do comprehend at least some of what I read. I personally believe that a fetus is a human and therefore should be protected from being murdered. But if the mother's life is in danger, then the necessary steps should be taken to protect her life, even abortion if it is the only way. Okay, so you open the door for exceptions? Like to save the mother's life? How can they be sure she will die? How about rape? Add that to the exception list? How about incest? Add that too? Who decides the exception list? You? The evangelical church? |
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Hell, lets do like china. You have no rights. After the 3rd child, you can't have any more or you are excuted. Total control of the population.
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Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies? WELL, he is VERY, EXTREMELY, PRO ABORTION...SUPPORTS THE UNGODLY PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION  ....and at the Saddleback debate....the idiot could not even state when life began....stuttering and stammering all over the place.... He even went to the extreme to NOT support a bill that would give the child who SURVIVED an abortion the rightS of a human being....the man is EL SICKO He is so pro abortion, it makes me wonder about the possibility of his wife having had abortions.... LINDYY  Defender of the unborn child
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The government dictates murders be put in jail, and sometimes even given the death sentence because they've murdered so many people. The government dictates a lot of what we do or don't do. I wonder how America got into the mess of allowing unborn babies to be killed? It's really not an America to be proud of, in that aspect, and it seems that we should all step in and Save those poor innocent babies!
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I really appreciate your reply. Very wise and intelligent words. Thank you.
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 08/28/08 04:01 PM
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Actually the question was "Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies?" There is a distinction with allowing someone the right of choice, and belief in killing babies . . . I MYSELF, would keep a child if the only consideration was desire, not health ect. If my wife had a high probability of DYING I would want the choice . . . . Your logic is flawed to say allowing someone a choice = belief in killing . . . very different and quit disingenuous. This is just YOUR rhetoric to try to make it a black and white issue, which it is NOT. I was talking about the questions I presented, not the original post. It may be hard to believe, but I can read and do comprehend at least some of what I read. I personally believe that a fetus is a human and therefore should be protected from being murdered. But if the mother's life is in danger, then the necessary steps should be taken to protect her life, even abortion if it is the only way. Okay, so you open the door for exceptions? Like to save the mother's life? How can they be sure she will die? How about rape? Add that to the exception list? How about incest? Add that too? Who decides the exception list? You? The evangelical church? This guy is realistic. You just cant give the government that kind of power, it just will not make the right decisions ALOT of the time . . . it needs to be a personal decision. |
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I appreciate your passionate reply. Thank you!
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Does Obama believe in killing unborn babies? The term is PRO CHOICE. Pro-Choice: Sixty-four percent of Americans agree that the decision to have an abortion should be between "a woman, her doctor, her family, her conscience and her God" (Luntz Research Companies, August 2003). As the Gallup Organization explains on their website, reflecting on decades of data: "In part because Americans support the idea of individual choice, they do not want to ban abortion." A CBS News/New York Times question asked in 1982 and again in 1998 shows even larger majorities (68 and 76 percent, respectively) opposed to an amendment to the Constitution that would make all abortions illegal. Moreover, only 19 percent of Americans think that abortions should be illegal in all circumstances, a number that has held steady since the passage of Roe v. Wade (Gallup/Newsweek Historical Poll available at gallup.com). This is an overwhelming popular rejection of the Republican Party platform's perpetual call for a constitutional ban on abortion. So myfemalefriend, you are spreading right wing propaganda. PRAY TELL, WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE STATISTICS????? CBS/NY TIMES/A 2003 OFF THE WALL FROM HELL POLL????? LEFT WING LIBERAL TRASH.... wrong  wrong wrong wrong wrong ABORTION IS MURDER, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, DO NOT TRY TO 'PRETTY IT UP' BY CALLING IT PRO CHOICE ....THERE IS NOTHING PRETTY ABOUT MURDER ...NOTHING PRETTY ABOUT KILLING AN UNBORN CHILD ....NOTHING PRETTY ABOUT PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION, NOTHING PRETTY ABOUT DNC ABORTION ....ONLY SICK SICK SICK SICK MINDS...TRYING TO 'PRETTY IT UP' LINDYY DEFENDER OF THE UNBORN CHILD
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well when all you pro lifers adopt all the unwanted,deserted,beaten,unloved children who are brought into this world,then you can dictate a woman's choice to keep the babe or not.I am pro choice and people need to mind their business unless they are ready to step up .
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 08/28/08 04:10 PM
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Less freedom is less free. So when do we stop considering ourselves free?
Maybe pro life advocates have already done so? well when all you pro lifers adopt all the unwanted,deserted,beaten,unloved children who are brought into this world,then you can dictate a woman's choice to keep the babe or not.I am pro choice and people need to mind their business unless they are ready to step up . Well said. |
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