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"We may not agree on abortion, but surely we can agree on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country." Barack Obama, August 28, 2008 very simple. Just causeit feels good, doesnt mean yuo should do it. wouldnt it be nice if men abided by this instead of expecting women to...  whyfor you singleing me out symbel? You specifically quoted my posts, and replied to my posts, but you conveniently have not commented on the posts or to the women who I qupted, backing my arguments up. AndI never said women alone should say n to sex if they dont want children. both men AND women should say no. Plain and simple if you (male or female) do nto want the responsibility of delivering a baby intot his world (no matter the process in delivering) then you should not drop your pants. flip back a few pages...youll see Ive been through this already with another "man" who thinks he has the right to impose his values on a woman...you mentioned nothing of dual responsibility of the sexes until I challenged your posts, until then it was pretty much the male point of view judging the females actions...If I want to sleep around then thats my right, if I end up with an unwanted pregnancy because of it and abort then thats my right too....when(if) you have daughters you will teach them otherwise, you will make sure the men they are with will respect them and not insinuate themselves sexually on them...you will do what you believe is just and right in YOUR life, stay out of MINE... |
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* Think I posted in the wrong forum, here's my question. Originally posted in Lindy's thread.* my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? As of right now I am not condemning her, cause as you said it Is (sadly) her legal right to choose. I am stating that that legal "right" should be revoked. And then yes she shoul be condemened towhatever local law deems proper for murder. you said it exactly fran. no. took the easy way out, I see. An (embryo/fetus) individual has no rights until it's born and the umbilical cord is severed until then it is a part of the mother's body to do with as she choses. (not agree/nor condemning) her choices, but ultimately it is her choice. she may not make the right choice (according to you) she may make the wrong choice (again according to you) she may not make the choice you'd want her to make but ultimately is her choice why condemn and judge another persons legal right to make personal decisions? not sure what happened here but you quoted my question yet didnt reply |
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* Think I posted in the wrong forum, here's my question. Originally posted in Lindy's thread.* my question is a simple one, why are so many people interested and focused on taking the rights away from "women who chose" to have abortions? An individuals rights begin at birth until the umbilical cord is severed it (embryo/fetus) is considered part of the mother. Part of her body, therefore her choice. no? As of right now I am not condemning her, cause as you said it Is (sadly) her legal right to choose. I am stating that that legal "right" should be revoked. And then yes she shoul be condemened towhatever local law deems proper for murder. you said it exactly fran. no. took the easy way out, I see. An (embryo/fetus) individual has no rights until it's born and the umbilical cord is severed until then it is a part of the mother's body to do with as she choses. (not agree/nor condemning) her choices, but ultimately it is her choice. she may not make the right choice (according to you) she may make the wrong choice (again according to you) she may not make the choice you'd want her to make but ultimately is her choice why condemn and judge another persons legal right to make personal decisions? not sure what happened here but you quoted my question yet didnt reply Sorry about that fran, I went back and tried to edit it when I saw this issue. here is what my intended response was: As of right now I am not condemning her, cause as you said it Is (sadly) her legal right to choose. I am stating that that legal "right" should be revoked. And then yes she shoul be condemened towhatever local law deems proper for murder. |
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Edited by
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As of right now I am not condemning her, cause as you said it Is (sadly) her legal right to choose.I am stating that that legal "right" should be revoked. And then yes she shoul be condemened towhatever local law deems proper for murder. the law states abortions are not unlawful, they are in fact a legal optional surgery. why revoke a womans right? because she has the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy legally? because her right to decide goes against the moral choices of others? why not revoke a mans right to get women fertile until they are married and both agree to procreate? why not revoke divorces? when will it stop? |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? Also, IF the rapist is caught and goes to jail, do you really think he's going to provide child support? What if he's not caught? She will still be a single mother with no help from the father. |
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Edited by
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Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others.
Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose. Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out. |
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Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others. Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose. Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out. I think more Buddhists should tell Christians what the Bible says, who knows more about Christianity than Buddhists? Certainly not Christians. |
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Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others. Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose. Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out. People like to pick and choose what they quote from the bible. And often forget about how it says one should not judge. |
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just an opinion here, no better or worse than any others
Every abortion takes a life. But sometimes it's necessary to take life. Its up to the person to decide whether they are justified in taking that life and live with it for the rest of their lives I know a couple of women who have had abortions for various irrelevant reasons. Every single one of them were terribly traumatized by it and still are |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? Also, IF the rapist is caught and goes to jail, do you really think he's going to provide child support? What if he's not caught? She will still be a single mother with no help from the father. Again, it is not the babies fault, give it up for adoption |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? Yes I do. Rape is a very nasty and disgusting issue. But it does not condone death, imo. Especially not the death of an innocent child. |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? Also, IF the rapist is caught and goes to jail, do you really think he's going to provide child support? What if he's not caught? She will still be a single mother with no help from the father. Now we are talkign abot the states having to do somethign insofar as changing the justice system, so that those parents who ARE in jail, still pay their support. and I dontmean the state pay it for them either. They can easily be put to work while incarcerated, andhave their wages deducted for support just like any other job, but that is a totally different topic. |
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Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others. Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose. Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out. if i stand up for the right of the mother to choose tohave an abortion, who stands up for the right of the conceived human being waiting to be delivered into this world? |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? Also, IF the rapist is caught and goes to jail, do you really think he's going to provide child support? What if he's not caught? She will still be a single mother with no help from the father. Now we are talkign abot the states having to do somethign insofar as changing the justice system, so that those parents who ARE in jail, still pay their support. and I dontmean the state pay it for them either. They can easily be put to work while incarcerated, andhave their wages deducted for support just like any other job, but that is a totally different topic.  Jails are supposed to be for holding criminals not providing jobs. I though debtor prisons were abolished over 100 years ago.
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Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others. Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose. Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out. if i stand up for the right of the mother to choose tohave an abortion, who stands up for the right of the conceived human being waiting to be delivered into this world? If you're standing up for the right of an unborn baby, who is standing up for the right of the mother? |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? Also, IF the rapist is caught and goes to jail, do you really think he's going to provide child support? What if he's not caught? She will still be a single mother with no help from the father. Now we are talkign abot the states having to do somethign insofar as changing the justice system, so that those parents who ARE in jail, still pay their support. and I dontmean the state pay it for them either. They can easily be put to work while incarcerated, andhave their wages deducted for support just like any other job, but that is a totally different topic. Jails are supposed to be for holding criminals not providing jobs. I though debtor prisons were abolished over 100 years ago. although parens who fail to pay support do still go to jail (so debtors ail DOES exist to a point still), We are nto talking about having them arrested because of being in debt. it was asked what happens when the rapist gets caught and goes to jail, thus nt providing child support? I say make the prisoners work for their lodging, keeping approximately 25% of their earmed wages (wage being minimum wage) in trrust for when they get out of jail. You do this, then those who owe child support can have their wages garnished for support of the child in question. |
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Edited by
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Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others. Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose. Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out. If you're standing up for the right of an unborn baby, who is standing up for the right of the mother? better questin is which one should be considered a right, and which one a priviledge? the babys right to live, or the mothers privilege to murder? Of course it can be said the ither way too. a childs priviledge to live, or a mothers right to murder. It all boils down to ethics and morality in the end, and I am sorry anythign that involves the death of a conceived human being is worng, period. no matter what the reasoning behind it. if i stand up for the right of the mother to choose tohave an abortion, who stands up for the right of the conceived human being waiting to be delivered into this world? |
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Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others. Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose. Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out. if i stand up for the right of the mother to choose tohave an abortion, who stands up for the right of the conceived human being waiting to be delivered into this world? If you're standing up for the right of an unborn baby, who is standing up for the right of the mother? They Baby cannot even stand up for itself, the baby doesn't have a Voice like the mother does. |
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the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else Thank you!!!!!! Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption. And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles.... yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice. and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results. So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped? Also, IF the rapist is caught and goes to jail, do you really think he's going to provide child support? What if he's not caught? She will still be a single mother with no help from the father. Now we are talkign abot the states having to do somethign insofar as changing the justice system, so that those parents who ARE in jail, still pay their support. and I dontmean the state pay it for them either. They can easily be put to work while incarcerated, andhave their wages deducted for support just like any other job, but that is a totally different topic. Jails are supposed to be for holding criminals not providing jobs. I though debtor prisons were abolished over 100 years ago. although parens who fail to pay support do still go to jail (so debtors ail DOES exist to a point still), We are nto talking about having them arrested because of being in debt. it was asked what happens when the rapist gets caught and goes to jail, thus nt providing child support? I say make the prisoners work for their lodging, keeping approximately 25% of their earmed wages (wage being minimum wage) in trrust for when they get out of jail. You do this, then those who owe child support can have their wages garnished for support of the child in question.  Sounds like a terrible idea. Work for lodging? Its jail. You know what jail is right? Its a place you dont choose to go. Work for who? Sounds like slavery
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