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Topic: what does Obama believe?
resch's photo
Sat 08/30/08 01:56 AM


This guy is realistic. You just cant give the government that kind of power, it just will not make the right decisions ALOT of the time . . . it needs to be a personal decision.


The government can't be trusted to decide when an unborn baby shouldn't be murdered, but a woman can decide when an unborn baby should be murdered? Shouldn't we err on the side of life? When did we decide that the correct default position is that the mother is always right, even when she wants to kill her baby?


We are the constituents, we need to voice our opinions and concerns to our elected officials. Example: It's like when we have children, we don't let them fend for themselves when they are new borns, we have to nurture and care for them, same with the PEOPLE we elect. they don't turn into perfection, lol we all know that right? We have to keep on them. I learned long ago that the "Squeaky Wheel get the Grease" they get tired of hearing from you and eventually it gets put into law.

so while we are badgering this or that person running for office, we need to remember that all the stuff they say, is all talk until they get into office. What have the Republicans done about Partial Birth Abortions???? NOTHING! Heck who decided that corporations would get tax breaks for closing down factories, our friends and family left without jobs, only to move those factories overseas? The republicans.

but we also live in a free world right? well not as much as before but pretty much we do, that means FREE for ALL not just this or that group.

one thing i have learned about politics is that of all the people out there running for office today, Obama is for Change and nothing was said about Change until he pronounced or am i missing something completely?

Krimsa's photo
Sat 08/30/08 05:05 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sat 08/30/08 05:06 AM


Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others.

Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose.

Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out.


I think more Buddhists should tell Christians what the Bible says, who knows more about Christianity than Buddhists? Certainly not Christians.



Just out of curiosity, how would you personally interpret this portion of scripture?

"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." (Matthew 6:14-15)

"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Matthew 7:2)

Lets just use this example also shall we? I do not know if you have a daughter. That is none of my business of course. If you dont, this could be a hypothetical situation or else ANY female who is close to you in your life. What if she was hurting and felt the need to confide in you the experience of her abortion? How would you personally react to that situation as a "good Christian"?

parttime_vikingfan's photo
Sat 08/30/08 05:21 AM
I think if you have adopted a baby or child you may have a point, but if you have not then what you say is practically meaningless because you haven't put your money where your mouth is.
If you also believe in the death penalty, and are against any form of gun control then your hypocrisy is all over the map.

Chazster's photo
Sat 08/30/08 05:28 AM
Ok, do you know what its illegal to sell your organs on the black market? Because you don't own them according to law. I remember an article about a girl dieing of a terminal illness and her mom needing a heart transplant. She tried to will her mother her heart, but she couldn't because it is not considered property. When you die and you are an organ and tissue donor, it belongs to the state.

As for abortion, its not your body you are doing something too, its someone elses.

beachbum069's photo
Sat 08/30/08 05:47 AM
Obama is pro choice, but against late term partial birth abortions.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 08/30/08 05:50 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sat 08/30/08 06:26 AM
It seems to me if the choice remained in the hands of the woman and she had access to a safe and legal procedure at the time that she required it, we would not have nearly as many instances of later term abortion when it becomes much more dangerous and evasive. In effect, the situation is being created.

beachbum069's photo
Sat 08/30/08 06:25 AM
<<<Pro women's rights.

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Sat 08/30/08 06:45 AM


Heck who decided that corporations would get tax breaks for closing down factories, our friends and family left without jobs, only to move those factories overseas? The republicans.


It isn't just factories. I work for an international telecommunications company and I watched part of my team get laid because the company wanted to hire people in India to replace them. Then I got to help train the new team in India. Over and over and over when people kept quitting and new people were hired.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:00 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Sat 08/30/08 08:05 AM



the choice should be do i have sex? do i understand the risks involved. not anything else


Thank you!!!!!!
Finally someone who sees the real issue at hand here. Dont get me wrong I am not saying abortion is not an issue, as it is a very serious one. But so far as women having a choice of what to do, that choice is has to be made long before a child is even in the picture. If you do nto wanna have children, use birth control, whatever form you are most comfortable with. If that doesnt work then look at adoption.

And just to keep people from jumping forward about rape, incest and all that other side squabbles....

yes Rape is a nasty perverted thing that needs to be punished. however, if a rapist impregnates a woman at the same time, then that is one more thing to hold the guy accountable for. As far as incest, I think most of us woudl agree that most of that would be rape in most cases as well, and not choice.

and for the one that will get me bashed from here to eternity, lol, the womans life? once again, birth control or abstinancy. If you CHOOSE to have sex, then you CHOOSE to deliver the baby to term if a baby results.


So, you think a woman should be forced to carry a baby even if she was raped?


Yes I do. Rape is a very nasty and disgusting issue. But it does not condone death, imo. Especially not the death of an innocent child.


You never addressed her question posed to you. You feel that a rapist should be held accountable for not only the rape itself but also the impregnation of the victim.

If the rapist is caught, tried and found guilty, he will most assuredly be sentenced to a substantial term in prison. I hope we are in agreement this is the best outcome as it eliminates him from the streets where he would be free to attack more women.

How can we now hold him "accountable" as you put it, to that victim and her baby which you are forcing her to now bring to term? Let me explain a couple aspects of prison life to you. Sex offenders are very often not allowed to work due to the high level of risk that they will be attacked by other inmates. They very often end up housed in protective custody. Let’s say he is allowed to work from his cell, some states do not pay the prisoners for their labors. Texas is one such state. Even if he was paid, .50 an hour working in a machine shop simply wont cut it. How can he support that mother and baby now? Why would he want to as it in fact earned him a long term ticket up the pike?

Now say the rapist is never caught which is the more likely circumstance to occur. That means he is left on our streets to attack more women. Potentially causing more forcible pregnancies. Yet, according to you, since every sperm is sacred, ALL of these victims will be forced to deliver and care for their rapists' infants.
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t22learner's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:07 AM

I watched part of my team get laid...

That must have caused some HR issues...

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Sat 08/30/08 08:21 AM


I watched part of my team get laid...

That must have caused some HR issues...


Obviously I meant laid off. For some reason, the edit button is gone.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:24 AM
heheh, that happens after a spell. It only allows you to edit for a certain period of time. I guess that's to stop people from just going nuts with it and completely taking comments out of context like a month later. I’m not sure.

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Sat 08/30/08 08:27 AM
It doesn't stop people from making silly comments about a missed word, though. Oh well. :smile:

beachbum069's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:30 AM

It doesn't stop people from making silly comments about a missed word, though. Oh well. :smile:

It wasn't me.:angel:

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Sat 08/30/08 08:34 AM


Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others.

Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose.

Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out.


if i stand up for the right of the mother to choose tohave an abortion, who stands up for the right of the conceived human being waiting to be delivered into this world?


embryos have no rights.

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Sat 08/30/08 08:36 AM




Its completely irresponsible to pass a law with no regard for the ramifications. You cannot yourself bring on the responsibilities of every child born unwanted, so you should force your "values" on others.

Until you have walked in that person shoes you should not judge them . . . you should stand up for there right to choose.

Even the bible says judge not, but I guess that part gets cherry picked out.


if i stand up for the right of the mother to choose tohave an abortion, who stands up for the right of the conceived human being waiting to be delivered into this world?


If you're standing up for the right of an unborn baby, who is standing up for the right of the mother?


They Baby cannot even stand up for itself, the baby doesn't have a Voice like the mother does.


even after its born the baby is still at the mercy of the mother, did you read about the mother who cooked her infant in the microwave...? see..now THATS murder..abortion is a surgical procedure that terminates an unwanted pregnancy....I think the latter is far more humane than the microwave method...

Krimsa's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:37 AM
Nearly all abortions take place in the first trimester, when a fetus cannot exist independent of the mother. As it is attached by the placenta and umbilical cord, its health is dependent on her health, and cannot be regarded as a separate entity as it cannot exist outside her womb.


daniel48706's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:50 AM

I think if you have adopted a baby or child you may have a point, but if you have not then what you say is practically meaningless because you haven't put your money where your mouth is.
If you also believe in the death penalty, and are against any form of gun control then your hypocrisy is all over the map.

ok, maybe I am simply too tired or soemthing, but what does someone not believing in the death poenalty have to do with regualtions on or against gun control? Absolutely nothing.

Now those who believei n the death penalty, but do nto believe in abortion, are hypocrites in my book, yes, but gun control and the death penalty are not related.

daniel48706's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:52 AM

<<<Pro women's rights.


<<<<< pro human rights, not just one group of humans but all

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Sat 08/30/08 08:58 AM


<<<Pro women's rights.


<<<<< pro human rights, not just one group of humans but all


both quotes are very arrogant since they come from members of a very privelidge group....no one is threatening your autonomy or right to self-rule..

against abortion?? get a vasectomy!!

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