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I have no idea if the thread holder is searching in truth and in love, or if it is posted for instigation, regardless: There is only ONE Book that speaks the future before it happens, is never off even a little tiny fraction of a bit. So read all the feel good books first, then look into that ONE Book which declares the end from the beginning, telling YOU things before they happen for the stated purpose of YOU knowing that HE IS. Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God (God-Breathed), and is profitable for (1) doctrine (grade school learning), for (2) reproof (to prove again that you passed the grade school test), for (3)correction (re: the answers you got wrong), for (4)instruction in righteousness (how to graduate to college level equivalence). aye and when you graduate this school... What is next..,? the book ends there... Where then do you go? You can grow more and learn more... Or you can accept that book as the be all end all and languish in either the hell described or the heaven described... Neither of which is an acceptable alternative to me... I am imortal and made in the image... therefore I have an infinite range of grasp... Limited only by my willingness to grow. |
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Uuuuummmmm i'm ALIVE!!!!! He eXists! No doubt about it!
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Scientifically:
Einstein states E=MC^2, or in lay terms - energy, mass, and speed/time are all inter-related and properties of each other. Scientific theory believes the universe came into existence at certain point in time (i.e. The Big Bang)... However, before there was a universe and the mass that makes up the universe - there would have been no time (going back to Einstein's theories on relatively).... So according to Steven Hawking this is an impossibility. An infinity of timelessness doesn't just end (like would happen with the Big Bang theory)... it would take a higher power beyond the rules of physics and quantum mechanics to have overcome this infinity of timelessness and mass-lessness (my new word). |
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God should be the one to prove that he exists rather than keeping us all guessing all the time and fighting wars in his name. If he cant prove it, then thats his problem. Obviously, even if He did prove it (which He has done on numerous occasions) it would never be enough proof for you. To believers,no amount of proof is needed, to skeptics no amount of proof is sufficient. That is your issue not His. People cannot make you believe something that you don't or won't. But I will tell you this, when you or someone you love is very sick or hurting or dying, or in some situation that you can't seem to make your way out of, the only one who will be able to help you is God. And I hope you find Him before anything like that happens because I want you to know that He is always there for you, even when you don't see Him and your back is turned to Him. |
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Read 'A Brief History of Time' by Steven Hawking if you like to ponder questions like this. He directly addresses it and it's a good read.
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God should be the one to prove that he exists rather than keeping us all guessing all the time and fighting wars in his name. If he cant prove it, then thats his problem. Obviously, even if He did prove it (which He has done on numerous occasions) it would never be enough proof for you. To believers,no amount of proof is needed, to skeptics no amount of proof is sufficient. That is your issue not His. People cannot make you believe something that you don't or won't. But I will tell you this, when you or someone you love is very sick or hurting or dying, or in some situation that you can't seem to make your way out of, the only one who will be able to help you is God. And I hope you find Him before anything like that happens because I want you to know that He is always there for you, even when you don't see Him and your back is turned to Him. Spare me the clap trap please, i dont need this God character even if he did exist. I get by very well already without him, i dont need anyone to 'guide' me or any of that bollocks. I'll just go stand with the other several billion that doesnt believe in Christianity, i'll be ok. But i would believe in him if there was some proof. You say he has done this on numerous occasions, but im yet to hear of it. |
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Read 'A Brief History of Time' by Steven Hawking if you like to ponder questions like this. He directly addresses it and it's a good read.
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Edited by
AMPdog
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Tue 10/28/08 11:44 AM
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double post
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Read 'A Brief History of Time' by Steven Hawking if you like to ponder questions like this. He directly addresses it and it's a good read. Hawking assumes that time is. How can we be sure that time is? It might be possible that time itself is merely a manifestation (or footprint) of something else. As when a tree bends... If one has no knowledge such a thing might be inturpreted as a function of the tree... Yet with knowledge one realizes that the tree bends as a manifestation (or footprint)of the wind which itself is a manifestation of the interaction of electromagnatic and gravitationl forces that comprise the physical reality we live within. (and know very little about). |
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God should be the one to prove that he exists rather than keeping us all guessing all the time and fighting wars in his name. If he cant prove it, then thats his problem. Obviously, even if He did prove it (which He has done on numerous occasions) it would never be enough proof for you. To believers,no amount of proof is needed, to skeptics no amount of proof is sufficient. That is your issue not His. People cannot make you believe something that you don't or won't. But I will tell you this, when you or someone you love is very sick or hurting or dying, or in some situation that you can't seem to make your way out of, the only one who will be able to help you is God. And I hope you find Him before anything like that happens because I want you to know that He is always there for you, even when you don't see Him and your back is turned to Him. Spare me the clap trap please, i dont need this God character even if he did exist. I get by very well already without him, i dont need anyone to 'guide' me or any of that bollocks. I'll just go stand with the other several billion that doesnt believe in Christianity, i'll be ok. But i would believe in him if there was some proof. You say he has done this on numerous occasions, but im yet to hear of it. Perhaps you are ignoring it ;o) That wouldn't be unheard of, you know. |
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first off i would like to say the "prove" is spelled.......prove! lol now that we flunked spelling i would like to add there are many variables to this quest. as in if you let "GOD" into your heart then you in turn becoe one with the one so that allows you to become "GOD" now from a laymans stand point if? keyword... IF? GOD exist when you go back and read any book it tells of god helping those that help their selfs. interesting? well its goes on cause faith in any object or any being is through manifestation of will so if you have the power to manifest and you are one wit your creator then why do you seek some being outside of your being? kinda contridictary i must say . is better to follow the facts and live with knowing you are powerfull in your own being than seek for things you can not physically see GOD is many things many ideas many visions but never said he existed physically so in turn to answer your question you are! what you seek
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God should be the one to prove that he exists rather than keeping us all guessing all the time and fighting wars in his name. If he cant prove it, then thats his problem. Obviously, even if He did prove it (which He has done on numerous occasions) it would never be enough proof for you. To believers,no amount of proof is needed, to skeptics no amount of proof is sufficient. That is your issue not His. People cannot make you believe something that you don't or won't. But I will tell you this, when you or someone you love is very sick or hurting or dying, or in some situation that you can't seem to make your way out of, the only one who will be able to help you is God. And I hope you find Him before anything like that happens because I want you to know that He is always there for you, even when you don't see Him and your back is turned to Him. Spare me the clap trap please, i dont need this God character even if he did exist. I get by very well already without him, i dont need anyone to 'guide' me or any of that bollocks. I'll just go stand with the other several billion that doesnt believe in Christianity, i'll be ok. But i would believe in him if there was some proof. You say he has done this on numerous occasions, but im yet to hear of it. Perhaps you are ignoring it ;o) That wouldn't be unheard of, you know. Perhaps, God deserves to be ignored, with the amount of people he allows to be killed in his name. |
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Read 'A Brief History of Time' by Steven Hawking if you like to ponder questions like this. He directly addresses it and it's a good read. Hawking assumes that time is. How can we be sure that time is? It might be possible that time itself is merely a manifestation (or footprint) of something else. As when a tree bends... If one has no knowledge such a thing might be inturpreted as a function of the tree... Yet with knowledge one realizes that the tree bends as a manifestation (or footprint)of the wind which itself is a manifestation of the interaction of electromagnatic and gravitationl forces that comprise the physical reality we live within. (and know very little about). Actually you nailed it - time is a property or manifestation of mass, energy and speed. If you alter speed, you alter the energy it takes, the mass of whatever is moving, AND the relative passing of time (relativity). Time is not an individual thing, just a property of mass (or anything that exists). |
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Read 'A Brief History of Time' by Steven Hawking if you like to ponder questions like this. He directly addresses it and it's a good read. Hawking assumes that time is. How can we be sure that time is? It might be possible that time itself is merely a manifestation (or footprint) of something else. As when a tree bends... If one has no knowledge such a thing might be inturpreted as a function of the tree... Yet with knowledge one realizes that the tree bends as a manifestation (or footprint)of the wind which itself is a manifestation of the interaction of electromagnatic and gravitationl forces that comprise the physical reality we live within. (and know very little about). Actually you nailed it - time is a property or manifestation of mass, energy and speed. If you alter speed, you alter the energy it takes, the mass of whatever is moving, AND the relative passing of time (relativity). Time is not an individual thing, just a property of mass (or anything that exists). Mass, energy and speed are also just footprints of the interaction of objects within the framework of the observers reality... How then can you expect something you measure with these footprints to be an exact measurement of that 'thing' when there may be more of its signature beyond your limited frame of reference (i.e. that which YOU call reality). |
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Edited by
Etrain
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Gods and religions were created originally to explain things...how the sun rises, trees and grass grow and such...and then used to control and scare people...but believe what you will...still waiting for explanation of Gods little screw up with the whole dinosaur thing
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In a philosophical discussion with my Philosophy instructor, he made a profound statement.
"No one can prove that God exists"... but then he also stated THIS truth... "No one can prove that God DOES NOT exist either".... Thought I would add my 2 cents... 
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Spare me the clap trap please, i dont need this God character even if he did exist. I get by very well already without him, i dont need anyone to 'guide' me or any of that bollocks. I'll just go stand with the other several billion that doesnt believe in Christianity, i'll be ok. But i would believe in him if there was some proof. You say he has done this on numerous occasions, but im yet to hear of it. Actually, I believe his question was about God, not Christianity. Most people in this world believe in God, regardless of what they call Her or their actual religion. They just don't believe that Jesus was the actual Son of God who came to save the world, etc. There is a difference  And, disclaimer, I am not commenting on your beliefs, whatever they may be. I could care less whether people believe, don't believe or what they believe so long as they're decent people who try to live a good life. Doesn't matter a bit what label you give yourself. I was just commenting on the billions statement. Because, there are many more non-Christians in this world than Christians, but that's a whole other conversation
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Mass, energy and speed are also just footprints of the interaction of objects within the framework of the observers reality... How then can you expect something you measure with these footprints to be an exact measurement of that 'thing' when there may be more of its signature beyond your limited frame of reference (i.e. that which YOU call reality). Relativity again - it's all relative to my perspective. Except from your perspective - then it's all relative to yours. But both our perspectives (or realities) are correct. lol All we know is that before a tree can bend it has to exist. Or without something in existence, there is no property of time either. Which is the paradox. No time means no beginning - but there was a beginning obviously... It's interesting that both Einstein and Hawking came to the same conclusion: that there had to be a higher power that operates outside our physical rules of existence or there would have been no creation. |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Tue 10/28/08 12:29 PM
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God should be the one to prove that he exists rather than keeping us all guessing all the time and fighting wars in his name. If he cant prove it, then thats his problem. Obviously, even if He did prove it (which He has done on numerous occasions) it would never be enough proof for you. To believers,no amount of proof is needed, to skeptics no amount of proof is sufficient. That is your issue not His. People cannot make you believe something that you don't or won't. But I will tell you this, when you or someone you love is very sick or hurting or dying, or in some situation that you can't seem to make your way out of, the only one who will be able to help you is God. And I hope you find Him before anything like that happens because I want you to know that He is always there for you, even when you don't see Him and your back is turned to Him. Spare me the clap trap please, i dont need this God character even if he did exist. I get by very well already without him, i dont need anyone to 'guide' me or any of that bollocks. I'll just go stand with the other several billion that doesnt believe in Christianity, i'll be ok. But i would believe in him if there was some proof. You say he has done this on numerous occasions, but im yet to hear of it. Perhaps you are ignoring it ;o) That wouldn't be unheard of, you know. Perhaps, God deserves to be ignored, with the amount of people he allows to be killed in his name. Perhaps anyone that kills in the name of "God" is out of touch with their own humanity, having little to nothing to do with any actual God. |
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Mass, energy and speed are also just footprints of the interaction of objects within the framework of the observers reality... How then can you expect something you measure with these footprints to be an exact measurement of that 'thing' when there may be more of its signature beyond your limited frame of reference (i.e. that which YOU call reality). Relativity again - it's all relative to my perspective. Except from your perspective - then it's all relative to yours. But both our perspectives (or realities) are correct. lol All we know is that before a tree can bend it has to exist. Or without something in existence, there is no property of time either. Which is the paradox. No time means no beginning - but there was a beginning obviously... It's interesting that both Einstein and Hawking came to the same conclusion: that there had to be a higher power that operates outside our physical rules of existence or there would have been no creation. Why does there HAVE to be a begining? Or an end? Is it possible that all things exist AT THE SAME POINT within the reality that encompasses all of our (each to their own) smaller realities? |
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