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Topic: christmas is a blasphemous pagan holiday.
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Tue 11/18/08 03:38 PM
As in the Hogfather, when it all boils down, all the old stories start with blood.

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Tue 11/18/08 03:38 PM





it reminds me of the atheists

"I don't believe in it so you can't celebrate it"


No it is not my job to save souls,asto speak. It is to speak out and say what the scriptures say.

Yahweh will do the other in his way. Mine is to follow him. I can not stop anyone from believing what they want. It is to speak as I am told.. Blessings...Miles







Miles...it is our duty to spread the gospel...that came from Jesus' own words. It's not about our glory but God's glory revealed in us. That's something most miss when they just quote the word without wisdom.



or blindly believe without thought.



Not without thought...certainly not! Maybe you can explain how your comment has any relevance to what I said?



I may be wrong.

But to me you were implying what I said was that I do not.

I do not think that you will not find me saying what I believe. Very few things will I out right call a duck a duck. Yahshua said His sheep hear is voice. He calls and then chooses. Not me and not anyone else.. Shalom..Miles

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Tue 11/18/08 05:25 PM
Edited by tribo on Tue 11/18/08 05:26 PM
from another post i did:

It is important to recognize the relationship of all this to the very obvious astronomical symbolism in the text. The word St. John uses for sign was the term used in the ancient world to describe the constellations of the Zodiac; St. John’s model for this vision of the Church is the constellation of Virgo, which does have a “crown” of twelve stars.8 It seems likely that the THE HOLY WAR 12:1-2 twelve stars also represent the twelve signs of the Zodiac, from ancient times regarded as symbols of the twelve tribes of Israel; in Joseph’s famous dream his father, mother, and the twelve tribes were symbolized by the sun, the moon, and twelve stars or constellations (Gen. 37:9).9 We have already seen how the divine arrangement of Israel’s tribes around the Tabernacle (Num. 2) corresponded to the zodiacal order of the constellations. 10 The Seventh Trumpet of 11:15 brought us to Rosh Hashanah: the Day of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month, the first day of the new year, the Day of the enthronement of the King of kings in the New Creation. The statement that Virgo is “crowned” with the twelve constellations, therefore, “means that she is the one among the twelve who reigns at the time,” i.e. during the seventh month, just as “the Scorpion’s claws seem about to catch the Virgin.”

11 In terms of astral symbolism, therefore, the birth of the Messiah takes place on the Day of Trumpets. It is interesting that by pursuing several lines of very con- vincing evidence, Prof. Ernest Martin carefully and painstak- ingly narrows down the probable date of Christ’s birth to sometime in September, 3 B.C. 12 Martin then adds the icing to the cake: “In the period of Christ’s birth, the Sun entered the head-position of the Woman about August 13, and exited from her feet about October 2.

But the Apostle John saw the scene when the Sun ‘clothes’ or ‘adorns’ the Woman. This surely indi- cates that the position of the Sun in the vision was located some- where mid-bodied of the Woman — between the neck and knees. (The sun could hardly be said to ‘clothe’ the Woman if it were situated in her face or near her feet.) “The only time in the year that the Sun could be in a position to ‘clothe’ this celestial Woman (to be mid-bodied) is when it was located between about 150 and 170 degrees along the ecliptic. This ‘clothing’ of the Woman by the Sun occurs for a 20-day period each year.

This 20-degree spread could indicate the general time when Christ was born. In 3 B. C., the Sun would have entered this celestial region about August 27 and exited from it about September 15. If John in the Book of Revelation is associating the birth of Christ with the period when the Sun is mid-bodied to the Woman, then Christ would have had to be born within that 20-day period. From the point of view of the Magi (who were astrologers), this would have been the only log- ical sign under which the Jewish Messiah might be born — especially if he were to be born of a virgin. Even today, astrologers recognize that the sign of Virgo is the one which has reference to a messianic world ruler to be born of a virgin. . . .

“But there is a way to arrive at a much closer time for Christ’s birth than a simple 20-day period. The position of the Moon in John’s vision could pinpoint the nativity to within a day – perhaps to an hour period or less. This may seem absurd, but it is entirely possible. “The key is the Moon. The apostle said it was located ‘under her feet.’ What does the word ‘under’ signify in this case? Does it mean the Woman of the vision was standing on the Moon when John observed it or does it mean her feet were positioned slightly above the Moon? John does not tell us.

This, however, is not of major consequence in using the Moon to answer our question because it would only involve the difference of a degree or two. Since the feet of Virgo the Virgin represent the last 7 degrees of the constellation (in the time of Christ this would have been between about 180 and 187 degrees along the ecliptic), the Moon has to be positioned somewhere under that 7-degree arc.

But the Moon also has to be in that exact location when the Sun is mid- bodied to Virgo. In the year 3 B. C., these two factors came to precise agreement for less than two hours, as observed from Palestine or Patmos, on September 11. The relationship began about 6:15 P.M. (sunset), and lasted until around 7:45 P.M. (moonset).

This is the only day in the whole year that this could have taken place. An added bonus: Sundown on September 11, 3 B. C., was the beginning of Tishri 1 in the Jewish calendar – Rosh Hashanah, the Day of Trumpets! 14 Martin summarizes: “The central theme of the Day of Trumpets is clearly that of enthronement of the great King of kings.

This was the general understanding of the day in early Judaism – and it certainly is that of the New Testament. In Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds his ‘last trump’ and the kingdoms of this world become those of Christ. This happens at a time when a woman is seen in heaven with twelve stars around her head and the Sun mid-bodied to her, with the Moon under her feet. This is clearly a New Moon scene for the Day of Trumpets.”.

SO HAPPY [belated] BIRTHDAY JESUS - SEPT. 11th, 3 BC

sorry i didn't know this sooner - am i forgiven? -

Yamin's photo
Tue 11/18/08 05:29 PM
Edited by Yamin on Tue 11/18/08 05:31 PM
Ever wonder what your christmas celebrations would be like during the winter solstice of 2012 ? indifferent indifferent

Icecream with that cake ?:tongue:

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Tue 11/18/08 07:17 PM






it reminds me of the atheists

"I don't believe in it so you can't celebrate it"


No it is not my job to save souls,asto speak. It is to speak out and say what the scriptures say.

Yahweh will do the other in his way. Mine is to follow him. I can not stop anyone from believing what they want. It is to speak as I am told.. Blessings...Miles







Miles...it is our duty to spread the gospel...that came from Jesus' own words. It's not about our glory but God's glory revealed in us. That's something most miss when they just quote the word without wisdom.



or blindly believe without thought.



Not without thought...certainly not! Maybe you can explain how your comment has any relevance to what I said?



I may be wrong.

But to me you were implying what I said was that I do not.

I do not think that you will not find me saying what I believe. Very few things will I out right call a duck a duck. Yahshua said His sheep hear is voice. He calls and then chooses. Not me and not anyone else.. Shalom..Miles


yes, I do believe that you have put thought into your beliefs.
There are many that do not, they just believe what people have told them.
They do not question or investigate what they believe, they just believe becouse of a strong need to believe in something.
Or because thats what they have been told their whole lives and refuse to see any farther then what they have been told.

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Tue 11/18/08 10:48 PM


christmas is an abomination and is full of lies. it is not Yahshua's birthday, it is Tammuz birthday, the pagan sun god. Yahshua was not born during the winter soltice. YHWH(Almighty God) hates christmas. Dont celebrate this pagan holiday otherwise you will be worshipping the sun. Jeremiah 10

You can celebrate his birth any day. You are correct with your dates but to worship another god you must do it from your heart and soul.

Giving gifts and thinking of Christs birth in no way would be worshiping another god even if it's on the wrong day. Just like if someone tattood 666 on your forhead you would not be damnd unless your soul turned. It's all about what is in you.

drinker sums it up right nice I'd say

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Tue 11/18/08 11:00 PM
You people are something else. Everytime the truth is told about christmas, your replies are basically that you will do whatever you want to with the truth. If you are told the truth but you wont accept the truth then the truth is wasted on you, and you are making up your religion as you go along. What are you going to do when you hear the truth about easter? Probobly ignore the truth proving that you cant handle the truth.

Winx's photo
Tue 11/18/08 11:02 PM

You people are something else. Everytime the truth is told about christmas, your replies are basically that you will do whatever you want to with the truth. If you are told the truth but you wont accept the truth then the truth is wasted on you, and you are making up your religion as you go along. What are you going to do when you hear the truth about easter? Probobly ignore the truth proving that you cant handle the truth.


You better not be talking bad about the Easter Bunny.grumble

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Tue 11/18/08 11:08 PM
It is by no means the Pagans fault that the Christians claimed all their holidays for their own purpose.
All these are traditions for thousands of years, so why change them now?

:angry:

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Wed 11/19/08 03:48 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 11/19/08 04:17 AM

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Wed 11/19/08 03:58 AM

fOR THOSE WHO WANT TO CELEBRATE JESUS' BIRTHDAY - IT WAS SEPTEMBER 11TH, 3 BC. YOU CAN SEE MY POST ON THIS SOMETIME BACK TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT WAS FIGURED OUT.

EASY TO REMEMBER - ""9-11"" - SOUND FAMILIAR?

THE BEGINNING OF THE US'S DOOM AND ALSO JESUS'


HMMMMM???

HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY JESUS !!!!!!!
I believe it was a December conception and September birth myself Tribo.drinker

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Wed 11/19/08 04:08 AM
Edited by SharpShooter10 on Wed 11/19/08 04:09 AM

You people are something else. Everytime the truth is told about christmas, your replies are basically that you will do whatever you want to with the truth. If you are told the truth but you wont accept the truth then the truth is wasted on you, and you are making up your religion as you go along. What are you going to do when you hear the truth about easter? Probobly ignore the truth proving that you cant handle the truth.
ahh, Easter, not mentioned but once in the Bible and mis transliterated from the word Paschal, meaning Passover, from the word Ishtar, a pagan fertility goddess celebrated by orgies and represented with "eggs, fertility" little cute bunnies "quick like a bunny, know what that is", some even worshiped the sun "hmm, easter sunrise service anyone" let the kids have fun, but teach them correctly, eat eggs, they are good, but observe the passover and not easter. this was used by con men and false teachers of old to get more people into church and fill their coffers, blending a pagan day with the Highest day of Christianity. These patterns exist today, in many churches that "bend the rules" dont teach Gods word as it is meant to be taught for fear of offending some, or not being politically correct and not wanting to lose any plate money, lets just not teach this or that, we can overlook this, just don't say that, on and on, to our Apostasy of the End times, or Famine of end times, which is not for food, but for the Word of God

SharpShooter10's photo
Wed 11/19/08 04:17 AM

You people are something else. Everytime the truth is told about christmas, your replies are basically that you will do whatever you want to with the truth. If you are told the truth but you wont accept the truth then the truth is wasted on you, and you are making up your religion as you go along. What are you going to do when you hear the truth about easter? Probobly ignore the truth proving that you cant handle the truth.
it's not peoples fault, that is what has been taught for so many years by so many men of god that it's accepted and not questioned, it is not known is all. People can handle the truth of Gods word when they know it. Many have known since they were young that there is more to Gods word than what they have heard or been taught. With Gods blessings, they will hear the truth in Gods own time for that seed to grow. Share with them the truth as you know it and plant the seed, only God can make it grow. If we say "seed, you are not a good seed , why wont you grow, my time is wasted with you and we quit watering it then it will take longer to bear fruit.

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Wed 11/19/08 09:10 AM

from another post i did:

It is important to recognize the relationship of all this to the very obvious astronomical symbolism in the text. The word St. John uses for sign was the term used in the ancient world to describe the constellations of the Zodiac; St. John’s model for this vision of the Church is the constellation of Virgo, which does have a “crown” of twelve stars.8 It seems likely that the THE HOLY WAR 12:1-2 twelve stars also represent the twelve signs of the Zodiac, from ancient times regarded as symbols of the twelve tribes of Israel; in Joseph’s famous dream his father, mother, and the twelve tribes were symbolized by the sun, the moon, and twelve stars or constellations (Gen. 37:9).9 We have already seen how the divine arrangement of Israel’s tribes around the Tabernacle (Num. 2) corresponded to the zodiacal order of the constellations. 10 The Seventh Trumpet of 11:15 brought us to Rosh Hashanah: the Day of Trumpets, the first day of the seventh month, the first day of the new year, the Day of the enthronement of the King of kings in the New Creation. The statement that Virgo is “crowned” with the twelve constellations, therefore, “means that she is the one among the twelve who reigns at the time,” i.e. during the seventh month, just as “the Scorpion’s claws seem about to catch the Virgin.”

11 In terms of astral symbolism, therefore, the birth of the Messiah takes place on the Day of Trumpets. It is interesting that by pursuing several lines of very con- vincing evidence, Prof. Ernest Martin carefully and painstak- ingly narrows down the probable date of Christ’s birth to sometime in September, 3 B.C. 12 Martin then adds the icing to the cake: “In the period of Christ’s birth, the Sun entered the head-position of the Woman about August 13, and exited from her feet about October 2.

But the Apostle John saw the scene when the Sun ‘clothes’ or ‘adorns’ the Woman. This surely indi- cates that the position of the Sun in the vision was located some- where mid-bodied of the Woman — between the neck and knees. (The sun could hardly be said to ‘clothe’ the Woman if it were situated in her face or near her feet.) “The only time in the year that the Sun could be in a position to ‘clothe’ this celestial Woman (to be mid-bodied) is when it was located between about 150 and 170 degrees along the ecliptic. This ‘clothing’ of the Woman by the Sun occurs for a 20-day period each year.

This 20-degree spread could indicate the general time when Christ was born. In 3 B. C., the Sun would have entered this celestial region about August 27 and exited from it about September 15. If John in the Book of Revelation is associating the birth of Christ with the period when the Sun is mid-bodied to the Woman, then Christ would have had to be born within that 20-day period. From the point of view of the Magi (who were astrologers), this would have been the only log- ical sign under which the Jewish Messiah might be born — especially if he were to be born of a virgin. Even today, astrologers recognize that the sign of Virgo is the one which has reference to a messianic world ruler to be born of a virgin. . . .

“But there is a way to arrive at a much closer time for Christ’s birth than a simple 20-day period. The position of the Moon in John’s vision could pinpoint the nativity to within a day – perhaps to an hour period or less. This may seem absurd, but it is entirely possible. “The key is the Moon. The apostle said it was located ‘under her feet.’ What does the word ‘under’ signify in this case? Does it mean the Woman of the vision was standing on the Moon when John observed it or does it mean her feet were positioned slightly above the Moon? John does not tell us.

This, however, is not of major consequence in using the Moon to answer our question because it would only involve the difference of a degree or two. Since the feet of Virgo the Virgin represent the last 7 degrees of the constellation (in the time of Christ this would have been between about 180 and 187 degrees along the ecliptic), the Moon has to be positioned somewhere under that 7-degree arc.

But the Moon also has to be in that exact location when the Sun is mid- bodied to Virgo. In the year 3 B. C., these two factors came to precise agreement for less than two hours, as observed from Palestine or Patmos, on September 11. The relationship began about 6:15 P.M. (sunset), and lasted until around 7:45 P.M. (moonset).

This is the only day in the whole year that this could have taken place. An added bonus: Sundown on September 11, 3 B. C., was the beginning of Tishri 1 in the Jewish calendar – Rosh Hashanah, the Day of Trumpets! 14 Martin summarizes: “The central theme of the Day of Trumpets is clearly that of enthronement of the great King of kings.

This was the general understanding of the day in early Judaism – and it certainly is that of the New Testament. In Revelation 11:15 the seventh angel sounds his ‘last trump’ and the kingdoms of this world become those of Christ. This happens at a time when a woman is seen in heaven with twelve stars around her head and the Sun mid-bodied to her, with the Moon under her feet. This is clearly a New Moon scene for the Day of Trumpets.”.

SO HAPPY [belated] BIRTHDAY JESUS - SEPT. 11th, 3 BC

sorry i didn't know this sooner - am i forgiven? -





Shalom Tribo.

I have come to the same date as far as the 1st day of the 7th month.

Colosians tell us all the Holy Days are a shadow of things to come.

Like the feast of Firstfruits commonly called Pentecost is when the Firey Tongue came in a Loud Rushing wind and they spoke the wonderful works of Yahweh.

His Law as it was always passed down that the Law was given on this date from the Mountain that was on fire by the tip of Yahweh's finger.

The way you have of figering is different than mine as I use clues that are quite evident using John the Babptists family for a guide..

Then the shepards in the fields. The 3 wise kings/priests took along time to get thier. They were far away and after Herod seen he was tricked then ordered all newborns 2 y.o. and younger to be killed.

So an easy guess it was at least a year after Yahshua's birth. and probally not in a manger.

Hard telling by that age the splinder Yahshua might of had to them.

Look at babies that age today. Who does not think they are a gift.

Imagine what the Son of The Most High must of given off in that regard.

The Feast of Trumpets would also be perfect as you say announcing the Arrival of a King. Blow up the Trumpet on the New Moon Your Apponted Times.

PS 83

I do see though that Jewish tradition is hard fought as thier is nowhere in the Bible for a year going from the 1st day of the 7th month.

The Jews call this a civil year. They come up with it and our govt. adopted it for military and alot of govt. functions using todays calendar.

Using Oct. 1st as a fiscal year.

The Holy Calander starts in the spring the 1st day of the 1st month.

Now they call this month Abib. meaning green ears.

The count starts after grean ears (barley) is spotted then the 1st new Moon after this date starts the New Year and the count to Passover 14 days later. Then that week on a regular Sabbath the regular 7th day of the week starts the 50 day count after the High Priest waves the Wave Shief.

Now thier is a count for years from another date but it does not interupt or change the yearly cycle.

This happens on the Day of Atonement.

The Day of Atonement is when The High Priest alone goes into the Holy of Holies once a year to offer his sins up 1st and then the sins of the people.

This is when a sabbath of years start on this Holy day.

This count is from the 10th day of the 7th month.

6 years the land is cultivated but the 7th it is left alone for the It is a land Sabbath. left for the land to rest and the animals and poor to harvest what ever grows of it's own.

After this announcing of the land sabbath on the 7th year startin 5 days later The Book of The Law is read for 7 days to the people each day. At the Feast of Tabernacles.

On This Day of Atonemment also is the count to the Jubilee after 7 land sabbaths 49 years on the 50ieth year is the Year of Release.

To set the captive free as Yahshua quoted in part.

Luke 4:16-19

So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

18 "The Spirit of Yahweh is upon Me,
Because He has anointed Me
To preach the gospel to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives
And recovery of sight to the blind,
To set at liberty those who are oppressed;
19 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh."
NKJV

he quoted from the book of Isa. He left out a part he was not proclaiming yet. I will just show the whole passage.

Isa 61:1-2

"The Spirit of Yahweh Elohim is upon Me,
Because he has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance of our Elohim;
NKJV

He did not come for the last half of the last sentence.

This day of Atonement I will leave alone because it say so much has so much prophecy in it. That unless you practice the Holy High days and The Feasts of Yahweh it is very difficult to understand the meaning that Yahshua was saying and The Plan Yahweh has For us.

Thier is a very good reason why the Day of Atonement is called the Holiests Day of the Year.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles



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Wed 11/19/08 09:21 AM
Edited by tribo on Wed 11/19/08 09:23 AM
HI MILES:

So in your estimation when is jesus' birthday then? what day and year? and what hours? [most likely] i only can present what i see so you'll have to tell me yours as to day and year my friend. bigsmile

this day of atonement - is this his day also? and when was it then? before or after my speculations? answer please?

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Wed 11/19/08 09:50 AM

HI MILES:

So in your estimation when is jesus' birthday then? what day and year? and what hours? [most likely] i only can present what i see so you'll have to tell me yours as to day and year my friend. bigsmile

this day of atonement - is this his day also? and when was it then? before or after my speculations? answer please?


The birth of the Messiah can not be pinned down by our calender.

It changes every year depending on when Barley is 1st spotted.

Then in the 7th month the 1st day of the month starts at the sighting of the new moons.

Signs in the Heavens. His birth always has to be if this is correct the Day of Trumpets which I believe to be.

You are watching for this every month if you are following Biblical law/calender.

Thier is no equilivent to ours today.

Even if 3bc is correct and you equated that to a date that always is. Still biblically would be incorrect alot of the time because the signs in Heaven is what gives us the actual day that is exact every year.

Hence no leap year. So the correction factor down to the hour could not be correct in my estimations.Tribo.



this day of atonement - is this his day also? and when was it then? before or after my speculations? answer please?

The Day of Atonement is his day as he goes into the Holy of Holies to offer up the sins of the people. as the people fast and pray forgiveness not thinking about anyones elses sins but worrying and asking forgiveness from Yahweh. Which Yahshua offers up for us.


Is this his day his? Yes by my studies but for a different reason.

Peter calls us a peculiar people a Royal Priesthood.

Yahshua came a a King. We are of a Royal Priesthood. But not the Royal Priesthood.

This is speaking of the saints of the Most High.

Now in the Law the Priest had no inheritance. Yahweh was thier inheritance.

We are also told in the NT you are not of this world. As Yahshua said he was not of this world or his armies would fight for him.

Thus all the Religious fighting. must be of this world. Huh.

So with this in mind when Yahshua comes back what do we become?

Priests.

Who's inheritance is not of this world.

Yahshua is our inheritance as he comes to fight for us and set up the Millinium Regiegn.

The 50 year Jubilee that last for 1 year that the heavens says 1 day to Yahweh is as 1000 years to Yahweh.

Thier are many thoughts about this.

Either way the saints are changed and are given thier inheritance of Eternal life as Yahshua is coming back. This inheritance and his coming back say s alot it these verses short chapter of Isa.

Isa 58:1-59:1

"Cry aloud, spare not;Lift up your voice like a trumpet;Tell My people their transgression,And the house of Jacob their sins. 2 Yet they seek Me daily,And delight to know My ways,As a nation that did righteousness,And did not forsake the ordinance of their Elohim.They ask of Me the ordinances of justice;They take delight in approaching Elohim. 3'Why have we fasted,' they say, 'and You have not seen?Why have we afflicted our souls, and You take no notice?'
"In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,And exploit all your laborers. 4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,And to strike with the fist of wickedness.You will not fast as you do this day,To make your voice heard on high. 5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,A day for a man to afflict his soul?Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?Would you call this a fast,And an acceptable day to Yahweh?
6 "Is this not the fast that I have chosen:To loose the bonds of wickedness,To undo the heavy burdens,To let the oppressed go free,And that you break every yoke? 7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;When you see the naked, that you cover him,And not hide yourself from your own flesh? 8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,Your healing shall spring forth speedily,And your righteousness shall go before you;The glory of Yahweh shall be your rear guard. 9 Then you shall call, and Yahweh will answer;You shall cry, and He will say, 'Here I am.'
"If you take away the yoke from your midst,The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness, 10 If you extend your soul to the hungryAnd satisfy the afflicted soul,Then your light shall dawn in the darkness,And your darkness shall be as the noonday. 11 Yahweh will guide you continually,And satisfy your soul in drought,And strengthen your bones;You shall be like a watered garden,And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. 12 Those from among youShall build the old waste places;You shall raise up the foundations of many generations;And you shall be called the Repairer of the Breach,The Restorer of Streets to Dwell In.
13 "If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,From doing your pleasure on My holy day,And call the Sabbath a delight,The holy day of Yahweh honorable,And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,Nor finding your own pleasure,Nor speaking your own words, 14 Then you shall delight yourself in Yahweh;And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.The mouth of Yahweh has spoken."

This is Pure end time prophecy and we should be practicing this as we or the chosen will is who this is mainly to. It is comfort.

Read closely and think what is to happen and Pray to Yahweh for understanding and you night will turn to day.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles


NKJV



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Wed 11/19/08 10:00 AM
Blah blah blah.

Happy Birthday Jesus!
Happy Yuletide!

Happy... giving, loving, peace and goodwill.

Christmas has always been the one time a year where those who would normally not give to anything will give to a charity or someone in need. It has always been the time of year where people open their hearts and doors to those who are struggling and give them their love, fellowship, and some good food. It is the one time of year where people all over forget to fight, forget their woes, forget their anger... and just be at peace with themselves and one-another.

I know there are plenty of people who will say that Christmas is when more suicides take place, and/or that it's become a capitalist and consumer feast of fattening. Whatever. There are still millions of people around the world who celebrate Christmas (or Yule or Hannakau, or whatever), with goodwill, peace, love and decency.

It brings out the good in a very large majority of people. I don't care if you're celebrating the birth of the poo goddess -- it's a celebration of all that can be good in humanity.

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Wed 11/19/08 01:09 PM


HI MILES:

So in your estimation when is jesus' birthday then? what day and year? and what hours? [most likely] i only can present what i see so you'll have to tell me yours as to day and year my friend. bigsmile

this day of atonement - is this his day also? and when was it then? before or after my speculations? answer please?


The birth of the Messiah can not be pinned down by our calender.

It changes every year depending on when Barley is 1st spotted.

Then in the 7th month the 1st day of the month starts at the sighting of the new moons.

Signs in the Heavens. His birth always has to be if this is correct the Day of Trumpets which I believe to be.

You are watching for this every month if you are following Biblical law/calender.

Thier is no equilivent to ours today.

Even if 3bc is correct and you equated that to a date that always is. Still biblically would be incorrect alot of the time because the signs in Heaven is what gives us the actual day that is exact every year.

Hence no leap year. So the correction factor down to the hour could not be correct in my estimations.Tribo.



this day of atonement - is this his day also? and when was it then? before or after my speculations? answer please?

The Day of Atonement is his day as he goes into the Holy of Holies to offer up the sins of the people. as the people fast and pray forgiveness not thinking about anyones elses sins but worrying and asking forgiveness from Yahweh. Which Yahshua offers up for us.


Is this his day his? Yes by my studies but for a different reason.

Peter calls us a peculiar people a Royal Priesthood.

Yahshua came a a King. We are of a Royal Priesthood. But not the Royal Priesthood.

This is speaking of the saints of the Most High.

Now in the Law the Priest had no inheritance. Yahweh was thier inheritance.

We are also told in the NT you are not of this world. As Yahshua said he was not of this world or his armies would fight for him.

Thus all the Religious fighting. must be of this world. Huh.

So with this in mind when Yahshua comes back what do we become?

Priests.

Who's inheritance is not of this world.

Yahshua is our inheritance as he comes to fight for us and set up the Millinium Regiegn.

The 50 year Jubilee that last for 1 year that the heavens says 1 day to Yahweh is as 1000 years to Yahweh.

Thier are many thoughts about this.

Either way the saints are changed and are given thier inheritance of Eternal life as Yahshua is coming back. This inheritance and his coming back say s alot it these verses short chapter of Isa.

Isa 58:1-59:1

"Cry aloud, spare not;Lift up your voice like a trumpet;Tell My people their transgression,And the house of Jacob their sins. 2 Yet they seek Me daily,And delight to know My ways,As a nation that did righteousness,And did not forsake the ordinance of their Elohim.They ask of Me the ordinances of justice;They take delight in approaching Elohim. 3'Why have we fasted,' they say, 'and You have not seen?Why have we afflicted our souls, and You take no notice?'
"In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure,And exploit all your laborers. 4 Indeed you fast for strife and debate,And to strike with the fist of wickedness.You will not fast as you do this day,To make your voice heard on high. 5 Is it a fast that I have chosen,A day for a man to afflict his soul?Is it to bow down his head like a bulrush,And to spread out sackcloth and ashes?Would you call this a fast,And an acceptable day to Yahweh?
6 "Is this not the fast that I have chosen:To loose the bonds of wickedness,To undo the heavy burdens,To let the oppressed go free,And that you break every yoke? 7 Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out;When you see the naked, that you cover him,And not hide yourself from your own flesh? 8 Then your light shall break forth like the morning,Your healing shall spring forth speedily,And your righteousness shall go before you;The glory of Yahweh shall be your rear guard. 9 Then you shall call, and Yahweh will answer;You shall cry, and He will say, 'Here I am.'
"If you take away the yoke from your midst,The pointing of the finger, and speaking wickedness, 10 If you extend your soul to the hungryAnd satisfy the afflicted soul,Then your light shall dawn in the darkness,And your darkness shall be as the noonday. 11 Yahweh will guide you continually,And satisfy your soul in drought,And strengthen your bones;You shall be like a watered garden,And like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. 12 Those from among youShall build the old waste places;You shall raise up the foundations of many generations;And you shall be called the Repairer of the Breach,The Restorer of Streets to Dwell In.
13 "If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,From doing your pleasure on My holy day,And call the Sabbath a delight,The holy day of Yahweh honorable,And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,Nor finding your own pleasure,Nor speaking your own words, 14 Then you shall delight yourself in Yahweh;And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.The mouth of Yahweh has spoken."

This is Pure end time prophecy and we should be practicing this as we or the chosen will is who this is mainly to. It is comfort.

Read closely and think what is to happen and Pray to Yahweh for understanding and you night will turn to day.

Blessings of Shalom...Miles


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Baruch Hashem YHWH! happy

You are so on point miles....Yamin

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Wed 11/19/08 01:28 PM
Edited by Yamin on Wed 11/19/08 01:32 PM

You people are something else. Everytime the truth is told about christmas, your replies are basically that you will do whatever you want to with the truth. If you are told the truth but you wont accept the truth then the truth is wasted on you, and you are making up your religion as you go along. What are you going to do when you hear the truth about easter? Probobly ignore the truth proving that you cant handle the truth.


HalleluYah! :smile:

DDejon..As it is written the "The Truth shall set you free". Many people will remain in spiritual bondage if they dont accept Yahushua' Truth.
Scripture say :Deuteronomy 12:8 "Everyone doing whatever is right in their own eyes"
Mark 7:8 "For laying aside the Commandments of God,you hold the tradition of men.."
John14:15 Yahushua said " If you Love me keep My Commandments"..

There you have it. You people are pharisees. you honor the Lord with your mouth and not your hearts
Mathew 15:8
......Yamin

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Wed 11/19/08 01:45 PM
Shalom Yamin.

good to see you around.

May The Blessings of Yahweh Always be With You..Shalom...Miles

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