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Being that the gun was stolen, I seriously doubt that keeping the gun safe and out of harms way was high on their priority list. That just shows the person it was stolen from wasn't very responsible with it. Not necessarily. It could have been in a lock box up in a closet and the thief found it. If a thief wants something bad enough, they'll do anything to get it. Very Very True,,,,,, And as far as the feeding your family thing. I have had to live off of deer meat for several months at a time. If I wasnt able to shoot like i can and able to provide for my family,, i would have had to go on state assistance or something,, and i am a proud man,,, i dont take handouts.i would rather kill my food than have it given to me And there is nothing wrong with that.  As a matter of fact, there is a program here in Virginia, that allows hunters to shoot extra game and donate the meat for needy families. |
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I lived with guns, in the house. Parents & other adults, taught that they were tools, DANGEROUS tools. I was taught how to care for, respect what they were made for & use GUNS. I was taught to be TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE for how I handled guns. Taught my son the same thing. He will teach his son's the same things. This is what/how the gun issue SHOULD be handled. EDUCATION & RESPONSIBILITY are the keys.
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We could all go round and round about this until we are all blue in the face.
To put it in a nutshell from my end. It's a sad tragedy that a child dies from an accidental gunshot or any other type of accident. But unfortunately accidents aren't always prevented, hence the word 'accident'. As for my stance on gun control I can sum it up real easily. You'll get this redneck tomboy's gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands!
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Guns dont kill.
People kill. Example; WILLIAMS, Calif. -- Police in Williams, Calif., said a teenage boy died after being stabbed with a ballpoint pen during a fight, Sacramento station KCRA reported. Edgar Ibarra, 13, died at the UC Davis Medical Center on Tuesday night, officials said. Police said Ibarra was fighting with his 13-year-old neighbor and classmate at Williams Junior High School, when his neighbor stabbed him. Ibarra had been hanging outside his home Friday night when he and his neighbor exchanged words, police said. According to police, Ibarra followed the other boy to his home near a trailer park when a fight broke out. "It seems that he just had a pen in his hand and they started fighting and at some point during the fight he began to stab the victim," Williams Police Chief Jim Saso said. Ibarra's family members said he was stabbed six or seven times in the chest and stumbled home. The 13-year-old accused of the stabbing is being held at a juvenile hall. Prosecutors said they plan to charge the teenager with voluntary manslaughter. School officials said that as far as they knew the boys were friends. Students at Williams Junior High School are receiving grief counseling, officials said. Ibarra's brother, Juan, said his family is in disbelief and that they will miss Edgar's comic nature. "He was very goofy, very goofy with us," Juan Ibarra said. "(He) made us laugh every day." http://www.wgal.com/news/17322630/detail.html Maybe we should outlaw pens?? While we are at it we can outlaw autos, pencils, hammers, screwdrivers, etc...... |
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It's tragic and sad, (and that doesn't even come close really to describing the loss). The family will take a long long time to recover from theloss of their child. I think everyone could agree that this was a sad and probably preventable tragedy.
The issue of "Banning Guns" is alotgether a different issue. Everytime something like this happens, all the gun-grabber, nanny-staters come out of the woodwork. The arguement is that if gun sales weren't legal or if people weren't allowed to own guns, things like this wouldn't happen. total bs. the above assumption makes the leap in logic that 'banning guns' would rid the street of all firearms. Such an assertion is laughable on its face. The only thing that guns bans accomplish is to remove guns from the hands of law-abiding citizens. Do you honestly think that the gangbanger down the street is going to go down to the police station and hand in is 'gat'?? honestly, look at the city of chicago or Washington DC.. two cities with among the highest crime rates in the nation, both, at least until recently, had total and strict firearm restrictions. yet, "gun crimes" happened nearly daily. banning guns is not the solution. When the Romans conquered judea, they outlawed the manufacture of weapons. why? because they feared insurrection. In Nazi Germany, one of the first things Hitler did on his ascent to absolute power was to outlaw civlian ownership of firearms. Nazi stormtroopers gathered up gun registration rolls and consfiscated civilian firearms, specifically from the Jews. This proceeded the night of the broken glass, also known as Kristalnacht. By whatever means, or rationalle, outlawing civilian ownership of weapons, (i.e. restricting the right to keep and bear arms) is the first step to government trampling of rights. |
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Guns dont kill. People kill. Fanta, I thought it was... Guns don't kill.. Mothers and Fathers with daughters do! Hey, that was my lame attempt at being humorous. |
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We could all go round and round about this until we are all blue in the face. To put it in a nutshell from my end. It's a sad tragedy that a child dies from an accidental gunshot or any other type of accident. But unfortunately accidents aren't always prevented, hence the word 'accident'. As for my stance on gun control I can sum it up real easily. You'll get this redneck tomboy's gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands! You go bean!!! 
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Guns dont kill. People kill. Fanta, I thought it was... Guns don't kill.. Mothers and Fathers with daughters do! Hey, that was my lame attempt at being humorous. I can see that.... 
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We could all go round and round about this until we are all blue in the face. To put it in a nutshell from my end. It's a sad tragedy that a child dies from an accidental gunshot or any other type of accident. But unfortunately accidents aren't always prevented, hence the word 'accident'. As for my stance on gun control I can sum it up real easily. You'll get this redneck tomboy's gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands! You go bean!!! Just telling it honest from my end, Fanta! Oh, I didn't mention the fact that they'd have to get past the German Sheppard protecting my cold dead hands!! 
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The day when I can trust my government to protect me at all times, and that goes for local government and police, and I can trust that people will not violate me personally in my home, then and only then will I even consider giving up my guns.
Personally I don't know why anyone would have a gun for 'protection' and leave it unloaded. Though I understand if you have kids. I do not want to be stumbling about in the dark searching for the damn bullets when I need them. And I certainly don't want to be swinging a bat at someone who could possibly have a gun and not connect the first time. If I am swinging in the dark it's more likely I will just piss them off and then they really will hurt me. No thanks, I will take my chances having a gun. The odds might not be perfect but at least odds are that I will have my gun when I need it. I am saddened by this article, but I would not consider giving up gun ownership for the irresponsibility of others. I have a very healthy fear of guns which makes me very aware of where it is and how it's maintained and how to use it. |
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I SLEEP WITH MY GUN. It goes where ever I go..I have never discharged it accidentally and my children never touched it growing up except when they were old enough to learn to fire a weapon...My sons are grown and never carry a weapon because they were taught to respect guns and never carry one unless you are willing to use it beyond a shadow of doubt..Guns only kill people accidentally unless stupid people get their hands on a gun..That child could just have easily been killed by a kitchen knife, a baseball bat rat poision under the sink an overdose of pills or pushed or run infront of a moving car...The constitution doesnt give me the right to own a bat or a knife or poision or even a car but it does give me the right to bear arms....I take this right very seriously and I can assure you that it will be the very last right I give up..............................................
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We could all go round and round about this until we are all blue in the face. To put it in a nutshell from my end. It's a sad tragedy that a child dies from an accidental gunshot or any other type of accident. But unfortunately accidents aren't always prevented, hence the word 'accident'. As for my stance on gun control I can sum it up real easily. You'll get this redneck tomboy's gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands! You go bean!!! Just telling it honest from my end, Fanta! Oh, I didn't mention the fact that they'd have to get past the German Sheppard protecting my cold dead hands!! I have Couckoo... 
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Unintentional home injury deaths to children are caused primarily by fire and burns, suffocation, drowning, firearms, falls, choking and poisoning. I understand the need to condense what I had pulled from the article but I would appreciate at least the entire sentence being quoted. Firearms are the 4th cause of accidental death of children according to the report. Sorry, I did not mean to remove important parts of the article, only to condense. But...and you'll excuse me...only fourth place? Whoop-dee-doo. It is still in the category of the *primary* cause for unintentional home injury deaths to children. You'll also note that falls and choking are *fifth and sixth*, which were two of the main causes you noted in the article. Thus, it is arguable that firearm related injuries and deaths are *more* prevalent than falling and choking. Again, speed reading is best not used for specifics during a discussion unless you're really good at it, ReddBeans. ^_^ i would rather kill my food than have it given to me I understand being too prideful to take state handouts, but to take many lives to avoid it...well, I don't mean to judge, but for me, at least, that's too far to go just for pride. Of course, I acknowledge that the lives of animals is hardly viewed the same way by everyone, so I don't find this surprising or mean... |
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You'll get this redneck tomboy's gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands! Careful what you wish for. ^_^ And I'll do it without using my gun just for the irony! Just kidding...sorry, death threats aren't allowed on-line, are they? oops...not even jokes? *notquite00 gets ready to get banned from the Mingle2 forums* It's not a threat. It's a re-working of a statement made by then-NRA President Charleton Heston while at rally several years ago. No one's being threatened in the least. |
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Guns dont kill. People kill. Maybe we should outlaw pens?? While we are at it we can outlaw autos, pencils, hammers, screwdrivers, etc...... Sorry, did you even read my post? I could use a cellphone or a book to kill someone, so duh, people with malicious intent kill people. How many times does this argument need to be repeated? What's more, that still says nothing about the incontestable fact that accident deaths due to guns would drastically decrease if guns were banned! Number two, it says nothing about how the instance of armed crime is likely to decrease as well as a result. HELLO, on both fronts of the argument, you can find statistics to support the anti-gun opinion. Repeating this "Guns don't kill" mantra has become ludicrous. The only reason gun sales aren't banned is because the NRA is such a huge lobby group and because tradition supports guns, not because your argument holds water. I mean, statistics show it does not. |
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yes its a sad story but the gun still didnt do anything its an object people are always looking for someone or something to blame. it depends on how kids are raised i was shooting a gun by the time i was 10 and i knew without a doubt that if i ever pointed it at anybody loaded or empty my dad would beat the ever loving crap out of me.
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We could all go round and round about this until we are all blue in the face. To put it in a nutshell from my end. It's a sad tragedy that a child dies from an accidental gunshot or any other type of accident. But unfortunately accidents aren't always prevented, hence the word 'accident'. As for my stance on gun control I can sum it up real easily. You'll get this redneck tomboy's gun when you pry it out of my cold dead hands! AMEN
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Edited by
notquite00
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Mon 02/02/09 09:32 AM
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It's tragic and sad, (and that doesn't even come close really to describing the loss). The family will take a long long time to recover from theloss of their child. I think everyone could agree that this was a sad and probably preventable tragedy. The issue of "Banning Guns" is alotgether a different issue. Everytime something like this happens, all the gun-grabber, nanny-staters come out of the woodwork. The arguement is that if gun sales weren't legal or if people weren't allowed to own guns, things like this wouldn't happen. total bs. the above assumption makes the leap in logic that 'banning guns' would rid the street of all firearms. Such an assertion is laughable on its face. The only thing that guns bans accomplish is to remove guns from the hands of law-abiding citizens. Do you honestly think that the gangbanger down the street is going to go down to the police station and hand in is 'gat'?? honestly, look at the city of chicago or Washington DC.. two cities with among the highest crime rates in the nation, both, at least until recently, had total and strict firearm restrictions. yet, "gun crimes" happened nearly daily. banning guns is not the solution. When the Romans conquered judea, they outlawed the manufacture of weapons. why? because they feared insurrection. In Nazi Germany, one of the first things Hitler did on his ascent to absolute power was to outlaw civlian ownership of firearms. Nazi stormtroopers gathered up gun registration rolls and consfiscated civilian firearms, specifically from the Jews. This proceeded the night of the broken glass, also known as Kristalnacht. By whatever means, or rationalle, outlawing civilian ownership of weapons, (i.e. restricting the right to keep and bear arms) is the first step to government trampling of rights. Completely untrue. The argument about children's exposure to guns has *nothing* to do with completely ridding to streets of *every* gun. The majority of people in a country are not black market-visiting criminals. Banning gun ownership would get guns out of *by far* most homes with children. What's more, you are completely ignoring the fact that in general, the closer a demographic goes to poverty, the more crime there is among that demographic. If that is true, more criminals will not even be able to afford guns and ammo as such items will be difficult to procure. Of course, SOME criminals *will* have guns, but probably less. Finally, there are tons of free, Democratic governments that enforce anti-gun regulation. To claim that such governments *trample* the rights of their citizens is downright offensive and insulting........at least if I didn't know better. 
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Sorry, did you even read my post? I could use a cellphone or a book to kill someone, so duh, people with malicious intent kill people. How many times does this argument need to be repeated? What's more, that still says nothing about the incontestable fact that accident deaths due to guns would drastically decrease if guns were banned! Number two, it says nothing about how the instance of armed crime is likely to decrease as well as a result. HELLO, on both fronts of the argument, you can find statistics to support the anti-gun opinion. Repeating this "Guns don't kill" mantra has become ludicrous. The only reason gun sales aren't banned is because the NRA is such a huge lobby group and because tradition supports guns, not because your argument holds water. I mean, statistics show it does not. NOT INCONTESTABLE FACT!!! mindless conjecture, at best. if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns! You act like the NRA is some formless, amorphous, mystery entity.. It's not. It's made up of men and women across the country who feel strongly enough to stand up for their God-given, inalienable right to the means to their own defense. Period. Scotus rulings have determined that a policeman has no obligation under the law to insert himself in a position of peril to protect you. You and you alone are responsible for your own safety. |
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Sorry, did you even read my post? I could use a cellphone or a book to kill someone, so duh, people with malicious intent kill people. How many times does this argument need to be repeated? that's it right there - people with malicious intent kill people What's more, that still says nothing about the incontestable fact that accident deaths due to guns would drastically decrease if guns were banned! just like banning the use of vehicles, betcha vehicular deaths and accidents will dramatically be decreased. Both sides pro/con gun control/possession will provide statistics to prove their point. In the end the responsible party is the human. 
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