it doesn't disturb me because I stated what I believe. I'm just trying to figure out what theory is being talked about. trying to understand is all.

I know darwin had a theory, the big bang theory...i guess i'm not up to date

Don't feel bad about not being up to date. Most people aren't. I certainly am not. But I am glad someone is out there gathering information and evidence about things.

lol join the club. doesn't mean it will change my beliefs but i'm just trying to figure out the debate here. i guess i assumed the theory was darwin's...hey i've been wrong before lol

The big bang is not Darwins.
I believe Hawking is the real brain behind the big bang.
The universe is expanding, we know this,we can see and study it.
So if it is expanding it only makes sense that it had to start somewere.
And that is called the singularity.
All space and time is in a dot the size of a pinhead.
Then BANG it explodes and starts expanding at great speeds.
And then it starts to slow down.
We know that it's slowing down.
So, if it is slowing down then we can assume that it will probably stop.
Thats where the big crunch comes in.
all space and matter will start moving back to the singularity.
To where it starts all over again.
And who knows how many times it has happend before. Billions? Trillions?
And if this is the case then it only makes sense that at some point it will spring life.
And may have before.

Thats it in a nutshell.

so where did that dot come from?

i know the big bang wasn't darwin's. i was listing it with theories

the dot?

Good question, Don't know. No-one does....yet.

Also a good question is whats outside the dot if all space, time and matter is inside the dot?

Again, Don't know.

That's the cool thing about science.

You get to say "I Don't Know, Lets Find Out."

Well I am informed and I have shown throughout this thread and debunked all of the theories.....And have done this for more then 10 years...so the lil boys that say I don't know about it...wrong...Haven't you noticed that when I put up evidence....it's skipped over and then I am personally attacked...I am so used to it...that it just make me laugh...



GOD INFINITE

but can science ever explain it or will it always be an unknown?

again...i have my beliefs which i posted....just trying to understand the other beliefs. the first of something came from something. i do respect you saying you don't know. not many say that these days lol

You haven't proven anything other than your own willingness to be ignorant, and to cling to outdated beliefs from the bronze age.

has anyone proven anything all the way?????

Darwin said that man and ape had a common ancestor, we share 96% to 98% the same DNA.
And Chromosome #2 proves that we are related in that sense.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)


Chromosome #2 is proof of evolution.

i know what darwin's theory is...i'm trying to figure out the updated theory.

It's not updated ohhhhh they tried......it is dead...it is debunked....Even the schools took it out...

actually none of that is true.

Just another religious lie to try and save a dieing superstition.

Well you just have fun thinking that darling...because I do know what is what....and like I said evolution within a species...bye it.....evolution from one complete species to another species....not so much....

and if anyone bothered to read in other thread exactly why I say that....it even debunks the world is what now a trillion years old

so the new theory of evolution is dna????

Darwin's theory still holds strong.
The DNA Chrom #2 just seals the deal.
Like I said the only debate is how it works not if it does.
We have transitional fossils and DNA that prove evolution, some people either can not or refuse to understand it or are just scared to try.

ok i'm off to bed.
And on a cool note my Jimmy Buffett tickets came today!!

YAY!!!

Psalm 139


1 O LORD, you have searched me
and you know me.

2 You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.

3 You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.

4 Before a word is on my tongue
you know it completely, O LORD.

5 You hem me in—behind and before;
you have laid your hand upon me.

6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too lofty for me to attain.

7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?

8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, [a] you are there.

9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,

10 even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast.

11 If I say, "Surely the darkness will hide me
and the light become night around me,"

12 even the darkness will not be dark to you;
the night will shine like the day,
for darkness is as light to you.

13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

17 How precious to me are your thoughts, O God!
How vast is the sum of them!

18 Were I to count them,
they would outnumber the grains of sand.
When I awake,
I am still with you.

19 If only you would slay the wicked, O God!
Away from me, you bloodthirsty men!

20 They speak of you with evil intent;
your adversaries misuse your name.

21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD,
and abhor those who rise up against you?

22 I have nothing but hatred for them;
I count them my enemies.

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my anxious thoughts.

24 See if there is any offensive way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.

ok seamonster....i think i'm understanding what you are saying (not my belief but that's ok...we all have different beliefs....obviously lol)

ok (playing middle man for a second)

people that believe in a higher power (whatever that may be to them) rely on faith in their beliefs....but can't explain where that higher power came from (an arguement of science)

people that rely on science can't prove where the "dot came from" so at some point....it's unknown (an arguement of believers of a higher power)

***note...not all people that believe in a higher power believe in creationism. i'm just trying to make the above easier

have i got this pretty close?