Yet, again, all your words do, is prove that regardless of the evidence that we have posted, evidence that overwhelmingly disproves the "theory" of Intelligent Design, needed by your god...
The only reason you don't find the evidence posted in these threads, by myself, Bushido, and others, is because it does not fit your definition of "Evolution", which, you have been told, time and time again, that your definition is incorrect.

Religion = Ignorance.

Evolution can be proven false with a few words. DNA cannot change. Its a scientific fact.

Hmmm... I'm miles behind on this thread - but I will ask this question again, though it may have already be answered.

Just what is "Evolution" - as you view it - that brings about the dismissal of Intelligent Design/Creationism. In other words - define for me in your own words what the "Scientific Theory of Evolution" is in a nutshell.

I would expect you to cover these points.

1) The explination for life on the planet. (in otherwords - is Abiogenesis a necessary concept)
2) What exactly makes this "theory" - scientific?
3) What supports it as theory in the first place?
4) Frame your answer as though you were convincing a Junior High Schooler what Evolution is.

Now don't assume I don't know what the standard evolutionist's response to these questions are - I'm well aware of them. I just want to know what you and Bushio and Voile all feel this idea of "Evolution" is that you claim has a mountain of evidence to support it. At least then I will have some idea exactly what you mean when you are refering to "Evolution".

Actually DNA can change. This is scientifically observable in almost all living things today. I don't think that things "evolving" is the question being debated here - just the observations and extrapolations of what this "evolving" leads to, or what it has led to.

DNA can change??? Give me an example.

I shouldn't have brought up the platypus. it was a joke....why is it when i joke people listen to me????

don't mess with my platypus....Pete

Well - one example would be birth. You have DNA from one parent combining with DNA from the other. Now - if you are refering to the basic 4 letter code representing the enzimes never changing - than you would be correct. But your reference was that DNA doesn't change, and therefore evolution can't be true. But we know that there exists mutations within the genoe from one generation to the next - so it has been demonstrated that "things evolve".

However - what is not supported in the evolution conjecture is the idea that there is information gained in DNA from generation to generation. This is not suppotred by any evidentiary proof. All that as been demonstrated - is that a loss of information occurs in DNA. That is the change that occurs. It is how we get "species" within "kinds".

Sorry, this is one of the most fundamental facts in this thread. DNA does change.


Here is one way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrovirus

Also copy errors can happen. Here watch a computer animation of the process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jtmOZaIvS0

I have been having a blast lately studying evolution (part of why I have not been around as much lately) and I will put together an additional post on all of the amazing advances in medicine and biotechnology that are dependent on the conclusions that we gain from evolution. Truly breath taking to gain insight into biology by knowing how we have evolved through common decent from other animals.

Bravo Billy! Thanks for your links and your research. It is people like you who will help to bring the world out of the dark ages.

Well now isn't this special.....I know what evolution is my friend...and the reason I don't by it.....Is yes because me, myself and I choose (My Choice) to believe in the creator....Not a difficult concept....For me to believe in evolution in the sense of coming from anything other then what God made us for me just does not jive....It doesn't matter in the whole scheme of life what man says in this world because I don't listen to man...So if you want to say that I am not open to it....well your right I am not. And again evolution no matter which one is still theory...Creation is not a theory.....




Yet, again, all your words do, is prove that regardless of the evidence that we have posted, evidence that overwhelmingly disproves the "theory" of Intelligent Design, needed by your god...
The only reason you don't find the evidence posted in these threads, by myself, Bushido, and others, is because it does not fit your definition of "Evolution", which, you have been told, time and time again, that your definition is incorrect.

Religion = Ignorance.

Creation is not a theory because it's not Science! Creation cannot be tested, it can't be proven, it's just a statement.
Creation doesn't explain anything, it just gives people a reason to remain ignorant.

At this point(as I have posted before) it has been proven, that Creationism/ Intelligent Design is nothing more than an attempt to force religion into the public school system.

By the time evolution is proven(regardless of what kind is approved or dissaproved) another evolution has occurred and it won't even matter anymore. (this was a joke by the way)

I would just say that there are some who believe in a certain type of evolution and then there are others that believe in all the evolution that scientists have discovered.

In the end I can safely say that we have the right in this country to believe in what we want. It is good that we can do that today.

If one believes in intelligent design, creationism, aliens, heaven and hell, angels with swords, or a tap dancer doing the running man on a cloud, then so be it.

I would say just study that what you believe to be true and enjoy your day to the fullest extent.

Have a great day.

Don't get me wrong when I applaud science. I think it is very necessary not to turn our backs on scientific theory just because we happen to believe that there is some intelligence involved with the design in this reality. The only way we will advance in knowledge wisdom and awareness is if we keep on looking and learning.

I definitely believe there is an intelligent creator, but not in the same way most religions depict one.

Intelligent design? Yes, I think it is happening throughout all of the universe, but not only coming from a single all powerful being who does it all himself. I think intelligent design is going on everywhere on all levels.

Just look at what we are doing here! Mere mortal humans are delving into all kinds of design. Genetics, DNA splicing, cloning, etc. If we are doing it then what would make anyone believe that there are not others in other worlds and realities or dimensions that are not doing it also?

I certainly don't believe that mankind or this universe was an accident. I believe there is intelligence everywhere, and you can call that God if you want. I call it inter connected consciousness and life expressing itself.

Ink:

Could be. But that is only because certain people have certain religious beliefs that are their creationism agenda, such as Christians.

But what if someone were to approach the idea of creationism without having any preconceived ideas or religious notions to push?

The question would simply be: Is there any intelligence behind the manifestation of life? DNA is like a program written for life. are there any programmers? Are there any designers?

I don't really like quoting the Bible, because I am not a Christian, but was there not something in it that said: Let US make man in our image? That is plural. Us, our. Who are these designers? Who designed them?

Is information shared and passed on to new worlds? Are there people out there in some other world tinkering with DNA and creating life and smashing protons to create big bangs?

Of course there are! We are doing that right here. Why do we think we are the only ones ???

Okay, let's make this simple:

OP- Evolution is it compatible with the Bible?

A. No, not on scientific grounds
B. Yes, it seems the Catholics are okay with it.
C. No, not on legal precident, where the Scopes trial has been overturned and Intelligent Design has been demonstrated for what it is: a veiled attempt at converting unbelievers.

Ergo, if this thread is to continue, then we need some Catholics to voice their stance.

Ohhhh this is to priceless.....interesting though....as it is not allowed at all into the public schools...And trust me when I say I did much searching before I came to my conclusions and it was God that showed me....So for me to ignore that and not go the path that God has set for me.....never going to happen...and I was not brought up to be a Christian as my children will make their own choice. Creation and God are what they are and nothing you think in your mind you can do will change that. It's just like when you guys take one lil piece of scripture and run with it....Without knowing what it means....please......

And like I said also on many occasions believe whatever your lil heart wants...I don't have a problem with that....But give me the same respect....









Theories for the Evolution of the Solar System and Universe Are Unscientific and Hopelessly Inadequate.

The “evolutionary tree” has no trunk. In what evolutionists call the earliest part of the fossil record (generally the lowest sedimentary layers of Cambrian rock), life appears suddenly, full-blown, complex, diversified,a and dispersed—worldwide. Evolution predicts that minor variations should slowly accumulate, eventually becoming major categories of organisms. Instead, the opposite is found. Almost all of today’s plant and animal phyla—including flowering plants, vascular plants, and vertebratese—appear at the base of the fossil record. In fact, many more phyla are found in the Cambrian than exist today. Complex species, such as fish, worms, corals, trilobites, jellyfish,h sponges, mollusks, and brachiopods appear suddenly, with no sign anywhere on earth of gradual development from simpler forms. Insects, a class comprising four-fifths of all known animal species (living and extinct), have no known evolutionary ancestors. The fossil record does not support evolution.


Out-of-Place Fossils

Frequently, fossils are not vertically sequenced in the assumed evolutionary order.a For example, in Uzbekistan, 86 consecutive hoof prints of horses were found in rocks dating back to the dinosaurs. Hoof prints of some other animal are alongside 1,000 dinosaur footprints in Virginia. A leading authority on the Grand Canyon published photographs of horse like hoof prints visible in rocks that, according to the theory of evolution, predate hoofed animals by more than 100 million years. Dinosaur and human like footprints were found together in Turkmenistane and Arizona. Sometimes, land animals, flying animals, and marine animals are fossilized side-by-side in the same rock. Dinosaur, whale, elephant, horse, and other fossils, plus crude human tools, have reportedly been found in phosphate beds in South Carolina. Coal beds contain round, black lumps called coal balls, some of which contain flowering plants that allegedly evolved 100 million years after the coal bed was formed. In the Grand Canyon, in Venezuela, in Kashmir, and in Guyana, spores of ferns and pollen from flowering plants are found in Cambrianj rocks—rocks supposedly deposited before flowering plants evolved. Pollen has also been found in Precambriank rocks deposited before life allegedly evolved.

Petrified trees in Arizona’s Petrified Forest National Park contain fossilized nests of bees and cocoons of wasps. The petrified forests are reputedly 220 million years old, while bees (and flowering plants, which bees require) supposedly evolved almost 100 million years later.l Pollinating insects and fossil flies, with long, well-developed tubes for sucking nectar from flowers, are dated 25 million years before flowers are assumed to have evolved. Most evolutionists and textbooks systematically ignore discoveries which conflict with the evolutionary time scale.

The best-preserved fossils are encased in amber, protected from air and water and buried in the ground. Amber, a golden resin (similar to sap or pitch) usually from conifer trees such as pines, may also contain other preservatives. No transitional forms of life have been found in amber, despite evolutionary-based ages of 1.5–300 million years. Animal behaviors, unchanged from today, are seen in three-dimensional detail. For example, ants in amber show the same social and work patterns as ants today.

Experts bold enough to explain how these fossils formed say that hurricane-force winds must have snapped off trees at their trunks, causing huge amounts of resin to spill out and act like flypaper. Debris and small organisms were blown into the sticky resin, which was later covered by more resin and finally buried.

In a clean-room laboratory, 30–40 dormant, but living, bacteria species were removed from intestines of bees encased in amber from the Dominican Republic. When cultured, the bacteria grew! This amber is claimed to be 25–40 million years old, but it formed at the time of the flood, only thousands of years ago. Is it more likely that bacteria can be kept alive thousands of years or many millions of years? Metabolism rates, even in dormant bacteria, are not zero.

Yes, Creationism/ID is not in school, but it has attempted to force it's way into schools, thru the legal system. Each time, it's attempt has failed.

Just like your Darwin that I was forced to learn...is



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And I am sorry but I also think that religion should not be in schools...It has no place to be taught.....What would you pick to be taught...and even if you picked muslim one day, hebrew another....please that is nuts.

Evolution is more complex then you suppose, then all creationist seem or even care to suppose. (The Cambrian explosion is not a problem for evolution any longer, I will not elaborate you would not understand, and would not educate yourself to even try)

I guarantee no rational unbiased person who educates on the theory will accept a creation account.

Feral has made it clear, she is biased.

For those who are interested I will be doing a series of youtube videos taht I will post later on, I may just add it to the evolution is it fact thread in the science forum.