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Eljay wrote: Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. Sounds like an emotional defensive opinion to me.  Genocides conducted in the name of Atheism?  Can you cite any historical examples? |
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Pol Pot?
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To say all Atheists are not immoral is like saying not all Christians are good, or for that matter Christlike. In the last 2,000 years more wars have been fought and more people killed in the name of Christ. All religions claim to be the word of god and all others are false, so by that token all are true and false concurrently. When someone converts, all of a sudden what they once sincerely believed is now untrue. They may well be a creator of some kind somewhere up the spiritual food chain, but it’s highly doubtful it would be a capricious deity who demands loyalty from its creations. What tickles me is believers feel they have to do the work of god. Here was someone who supposedly created the heavens and the earth in 6 daze. Did god retire, or simply get lazy and decided its creations could carry the load. When are you going to start the construction of your new planet? You may have discovered by now I am one of the noble 16% of nonbelievers. Then there was the bit about a reward in heaven. That was how they suckered the poor, illiterate masses to go off and fight and die in the Crusades. The powers that be will use any means possible to get cannon fodder for their wars of conquest, almost invariably over some natural resource. Islam has the 77 virgin thing, but that was essentially to get poor schleps to fight the invading infidel who believed god was on his side and his reward was forthcoming. I have no idea where they got 77, but perhaps the idea of a harem was popular in those daze. Religions get started to try and explain who and why we are, but after a while, those in charge get a bit power drunk and that gives them the idea they can tell everybody what to think, feel and believe. All religions start out as a cult and Christianity is no exception. Romans were either Urbus or Pagus (sp?), city dwellers and those who farmed and ranched, known as the Pagans. The city dwellers were the first to accept a monotheistic religion since all that worship cut into the time they could be making money, but the Pagans believed in the gods and were appalled at the thought of a single deity and they insisted on no less than three, which was where the holy ghost originated. Another thing the Romans did when they conquered a culture was allow them to go through the motions of their beliefs, but they made up other reasons for why they did what they did and expected them to forget over several generations and say it was always that way. Someone remembered and passed it along by word of mouth for future generations. Did Jesus eat the ears off his chocolate bunny rabbits at easter? There is no supporting documentation to prove anything in anybody’s religious texts, so there is no way to prove they were written by who they claim to be. When science supports religion, science is good, but when it doesn’t support religion, the same science is evil. When you insult those for not believing what you believe, that makes you just as big a fool as you call them. Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. |
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Just something to do to fill in a otherwise boring Sunday.
There is not god How can one being have that much power? if that is the case then why have we not changed " president" to "god" yet. same thing we just change ever 4 to 8 years. whats the difference. Both have the "power" to make life good or a living hell. I'll stick with fate, and what I can make of my life. No help needed |
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An astute believer in god wants to argue facts? Please don't go there!.........lol Truly. If believers in the Bible were interested in facts, they'd recognize the FACT that the authors of the Gospels have Jesus claiming to return before the current generation has passed. That's a FACT. It's written in the doctrine. Therefore we can only come to one of three conclusions: 1. Jesus was delusional. 2. The gosples are made up fables. 3. The Bible is true, the rapture has already taken place 2000 years ago, and we are the desendents of the rejects of God. God is long since gone having already harvested his crop of humans from this planet. Pick one. But know that none of these choices agrees with what modern Christianity teaches. The modern religion simply doesn't believe in its very own doctrine. |
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Edited by
Peccy
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Wed 03/25/09 09:50 AM
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Genocide can be the only thing you might be referring to and no where in the definition is the word Atheism.
[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. As Abracadabra suggested, "Can you cite any historical examples?" |
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Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. Eljay, I concede it's possible you _might_ be correct about this statement, in light of the statistic that 60% of the people who ever lived are alive today. I think it's far from a given, though. However, what would you say is the minimum acceptable death toll below which it is morally acceptable to kill in the defense of/advancing the causes of religion? Elsewhere in this thread I mentioned the recent court decision Kitzmiller v. Dover Area High School, which some have called 'The Scopes Monkey Trial II'. The judge in that case was a pretty conservative fellow who found himself needing round-the-clock protection from anonymous militant Christians making death threats. I don't think I've ever heard of atheists making similar threats when court cases haven't gone their way. Shouldn't the moral compass the OP claims Christianity imparts yield better results than what is able to be documented? -Kerry O. |
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Eljay wrote: Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. That is a pretty funny statement for someone who continually states that "you can't blame the religion for the actions of those who abuse it" Isn't that exactly what you are doing there? Now let's take a "walk" through History. The Crusades- Wars fought, by order of the Pope, to get the Holy Land back under Christian rule. Purely, a religious fight, and deaths in the name of "my god". The Spanish Inquisition- People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. The Witch Trails- Again, People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. So that you don't complain about only Christianity being picked on: Today's modern Jihad against all non-Muslims: Pretty simple, if you aren't one of them, they want you dead. Hell, just look in that "good book" of yours. God kills many more than Satan does... |
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Just something to do to fill in a otherwise boring Sunday. There is not god How can one being have that much power? if that is the case then why have we not changed " president" to "god" yet. same thing we just change ever 4 to 8 years. whats the difference. Both have the "power" to make life good or a living hell. I'll stick with fate, and what I can make of my life. No help needed I hear that Tim... |
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Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. Eljay, I concede it's possible you _might_ be correct about this statement, in light of the statistic that 60% of the people who ever lived are alive today. I think it's far from a given, though. However, what would you say is the minimum acceptable death toll below which it is morally acceptable to kill in the defense of/advancing the causes of religion? Elsewhere in this thread I mentioned the recent court decision Kitzmiller v. Dover Area High School, which some have called 'The Scopes Monkey Trial II'. The judge in that case was a pretty conservative fellow who found himself needing round-the-clock protection from anonymous militant Christians making death threats. I don't think I've ever heard of atheists making similar threats when court cases haven't gone their way. Shouldn't the moral compass the OP claims Christianity imparts yield better results than what is able to be documented? -Kerry O. Actually - I find the term "militant christians" to be a tad oxymoronic. To me, any "christian" making a death threat is a contradiction in terms. Perhaps we should question the part where they claim to be a christain before we question christainity itself. That's usually the first question I ask. I tend not to blame a philosophy for the actions of those that abuse it. |
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Eljay wrote: Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. That is a pretty funny statement for someone who continually states that "you can't blame the religion for the actions of those who abuse it" Isn't that exactly what you are doing there? Now let's take a "walk" through History. The Crusades- Wars fought, by order of the Pope, to get the Holy Land back under Christian rule. Purely, a religious fight, and deaths in the name of "my god". The Spanish Inquisition- People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. The Witch Trails- Again, People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. So that you don't complain about only Christianity being picked on: Today's modern Jihad against all non-Muslims: Pretty simple, if you aren't one of them, they want you dead. Hell, just look in that "good book" of yours. God kills many more than Satan does... God kills EVERYONE Inkracer. You neglected to walk through Stalin's Atheistic regime - Hitlers holocost (and don't give me "He's a christain" nonsense, it's a disqualifying argument) and the shear numbers in the Atheist China regime alone would account for more deaths than all of the Holy wars combined. But being a history buff - you knew that - didn't you. Perhaps you should give up now before the abortion issue comes into play. |
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Genocide can be the only thing you might be referring to and no where in the definition is the word Atheism. [G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. As Abracadabra suggested, "Can you cite any historical examples?" Maybe it is reverse psychology. The non believers brought the violence on themselves by not believing what the others wanted them to believe, ya think??? 
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Eljay wrote: Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. That is a pretty funny statement for someone who continually states that "you can't blame the religion for the actions of those who abuse it" Isn't that exactly what you are doing there? Now let's take a "walk" through History. The Crusades- Wars fought, by order of the Pope, to get the Holy Land back under Christian rule. Purely, a religious fight, and deaths in the name of "my god". The Spanish Inquisition- People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. The Witch Trails- Again, People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. So that you don't complain about only Christianity being picked on: Today's modern Jihad against all non-Muslims: Pretty simple, if you aren't one of them, they want you dead. Hell, just look in that "good book" of yours. God kills many more than Satan does... Don't forget the religious persecution of the Muslims by the Christians. |
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Don't forget the religious persecution of the Muslims by the Christians. Well after all... if you don't believe in their God, you're going to burn in the firey pits of hell. |
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YA think ya know this........
ya think ya know that....... Ya don't know nuthin' till ya get there.... My mum always said......"Just wait till you get there!!!" she was a wise woman. |
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YA think ya know this........ ya think ya know that....... Ya don't know nuthin' till ya get there.... My mum always said......"Just wait till you get there!!!" she was a wise woman. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Thu 03/26/09 12:05 AM
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Sweet People here....
 we christians at one time were just like you....no different from any of you. But one day God Himself got ahold of us.... just like God will one day get ahold of you.... and when He does, no one will be able to resist His Love....as He begins to woo you and draw you unto Himself....  And in that moment , when you begin to feel His Loving Presence ....you won't say no.....cause you simply won't want to. You will just say, Yes Lord.... and in that moment when you say Yes.... you will also know... that you have finally come home |
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That's so sweet that I may have just formed a cavity....
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Atheist are the most blood thirsty murders on earth.Here is a few examples.
Bosnia-Herzegovina: 1992-1995 - 200,000 Deaths Rwanda: 1994 - 800,000 Deaths Pol Pot in Cambodia: 1975-1979 - 2,000,000 Deaths Nazi Holocaust: 1938-1945 - 6,000,000 Deaths Rape of Nanking: 1937-1938 - 300,000 Deaths Stalin's Forced Famine: 1932-1933 - 7,000,000 Deaths Armenians in Turkey: 1915-1918 - 1,500,000 Deaths |
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Eljay wrote: Actually - you've got your facts wrong. There have been more people killed under the name of "Atheism" than all of the religious wars combined. That is a pretty funny statement for someone who continually states that "you can't blame the religion for the actions of those who abuse it" Isn't that exactly what you are doing there? Now let's take a "walk" through History. The Crusades- Wars fought, by order of the Pope, to get the Holy Land back under Christian rule. Purely, a religious fight, and deaths in the name of "my god". The Spanish Inquisition- People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. The Witch Trails- Again, People punished by others taking a literal translation to the bible. So that you don't complain about only Christianity being picked on: Today's modern Jihad against all non-Muslims: Pretty simple, if you aren't one of them, they want you dead. Hell, just look in that "good book" of yours. God kills many more than Satan does... Don't forget the religious persecution of the Muslims by the Christians. It's easy to see why the Atheist have to go back hundreds of years to find a little dirt on the Christians.The Christians haven't been killing anyone in hundreds of years.You might as well be fair and go back hundreds of years and compare what the Atheist and the other religions used to do in that time frame. This is debating at its very worst.Ignoring hundreds of years of peace and bringing up a small event that not only the Christians were participating in but so where the Aethiest.A real person could debate present events. You might want to start a topic on all the violence and hate that Christianity has put a end to.The Christians have brought more peace to this world than any Atheist ever did or ever will and thats the truth! |
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