Topic: Power to Shut Down Internet.
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Sat 04/18/09 11:05 PM

Proposed Bill Gives Obama Power to Shut Down Internet
Mike Grace posted on 6 Apr 2009 14:09


A new cybersecurity bill being proposed would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data, effectively declaring martial law on the web.

Last week, senators John Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe proposed the Cybersecurity Act that would create the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor. Its powers are detailed in the The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF), and this is where it gets very scary indeed.

If the President so chooses, he can call a "cybersecurity emergency" and shut down or limit any 'net traffic on a "critical" network "in the name of national security," though the bill fails to provide concrete definitions on what is "critical" or what constitutes an "emergency."

The Secretary of Commerce would also have the power to "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access."

"We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs - from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records-the list goes on," said Senator Rockefeller in a statement. His colleague, Senator Snowe, took the metaphor further saying, "if we fail to take swift action, we, regrettably, risk a cyber-(hurricane) Katrina."

As you can imagine, the thought of such powers has put a number of internet advocacy groups on full alert. "The cybersecurity threat is real," said Leslie Harris, head of the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), "but such a drastic federal intervention in private communications technology and networks could harm both security and privacy."


Yay!!!!!:banana: :banana: :banana:

Its about time someone finally did something about this major hole in our National Security....drinker

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Sat 04/18/09 11:10 PM
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Sat 04/18/09 11:33 PM

Proposed Bill Gives Obama Power to Shut Down Internet
Mike Grace posted on 6 Apr 2009 14:09


A new cybersecurity bill being proposed would give the President emergency authority to halt web traffic and access private data, effectively declaring martial law on the web.

Last week, senators John Rockefeller and Olympia Snowe proposed the Cybersecurity Act that would create the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor. Its powers are detailed in the The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF), and this is where it gets very scary indeed.

If the President so chooses, he can call a "cybersecurity emergency" and shut down or limit any 'net traffic on a "critical" network "in the name of national security," though the bill fails to provide concrete definitions on what is "critical" or what constitutes an "emergency."

The Secretary of Commerce would also have the power to "access to all relevant data concerning [critical] networks without regard to any provision of law, regulation, rule, or policy restricting such access."

"We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs - from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records-the list goes on," said Senator Rockefeller in a statement. His colleague, Senator Snowe, took the metaphor further saying, "if we fail to take swift action, we, regrettably, risk a cyber-(hurricane) Katrina."

As you can imagine, the thought of such powers has put a number of internet advocacy groups on full alert. "The cybersecurity threat is real," said Leslie Harris, head of the Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT), "but such a drastic federal intervention in private communications technology and networks could harm both security and privacy."


While I wouldn't mind seeing some language defining just what critical means, realistically there's not that much of the internet they can simply shutdown or lock down. Critical systems are probably best defined by what's even possible.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 04/19/09 12:16 AM
There are many levels of internet protocols.
HTTP is but one and is not where the biggest security risk lies.

DaveyB's photo
Sun 04/19/09 12:27 AM

There are many levels of internet protocols.
HTTP is but one and is not where the biggest security risk lies.


Quite true

Fanta46's photo
Sun 04/19/09 12:29 AM


There are many levels of internet protocols.
HTTP is but one and is not where the biggest security risk lies.


Quite true



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Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 04/19/09 05:14 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 04/19/09 05:15 AM
They're upset they can't fully control the internet as they can the media.

Can anyone say "If you don't play by my rules I'll take my ball and go home!"

There's too many opinions (people communicating) on the internet for us to concider and formulate our own opinion..... not what they want! Bad for [their] business.

Label it a "terrorist possibility" and the sheeple will allow it.

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Sun 04/19/09 08:57 AM

They're upset they can't fully control the internet as they can the media.

Can anyone say "If you don't play by my rules I'll take my ball and go home!"

There's too many opinions (people communicating) on the internet for us to concider and formulate our own opinion..... not what they want! Bad for [their] business.

Label it a "terrorist possibility" and the sheeple will allow it.


It seems to me everyone is being called sheeple, certainly doesn't advance people hearing anyone's message I don't think.

However why would it automatically be assumed that free speech would be the target for shutting down the internet. It seems to me that terrorists more and more use the internet to cause problems.

Before I make a huge assumption that shutting down the internet is a horrible thing, I would want to know more about why it might be nessessary instead of adding to the anxiety of an already anxious public. No?

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Sun 04/19/09 09:08 AM
My thoughts... If they shut down the internet, they shut down independent thinking and a source for alternative information.

We face computer threats and viruses every day, nothing new, and most "schemes" people can see thru who typically use the internet.

It's just more control thru fear and a negative action that hurts and limits peoples ability to communicate.

Would the next step after blocking our communication be marshal law and FEMA camps? Makes sense to me! Take away our ability to communicate and you have an open door to such an agenda.

Check out Warmachines latest post!

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Sun 04/19/09 09:15 AM

My thoughts... If they shut down the internet, they shut down independent thinking and a source for alternative information.

We face computer threats and viruses every day, nothing new, and most "schemes" people can see thru who typically use the internet.

It's just more control thru fear and a negative action that hurts and limits peoples ability to communicate.

Would the next step after blocking our communication be marshal law and FEMA camps? Makes sense to me! Take away our ability to communicate and you have an open door to such an agenda.

Check out Warmachines latest post!


drinker smokin

Government never prepares for stuff like this, to never use it.

They just need some provacation.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 04/19/09 09:17 AM

There are many levels of internet protocols.
HTTP is but one and is not where the biggest security risk lies.

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Sun 04/19/09 10:39 AM
All these talks about a security treat of internet is nothing but a set of misdirections, designed to make us think, that a clamp down on freedom has some legitimate reasons.

Let me show you what the Feds are actually doing during their magic trick:

The real treat of internet is what Warmachine is doing, what Drivinmenuts is doing, what huge number of others are doing, namely, that they distribute the knowledge of what the government is, and how it operates.

It is the dissemination of truth, that the government is afraid of the most. Internet has made it quite possible for people to teach each other, and to easily debunk government lies.

The power of the government is not in their weapons or thousands of jack-booted soldiers from swat to army, which do not ask any questions and are always stand ready to murder anyone, on order. The power of the governments, is in the ignorance of crowds.

It is our ignorance, for instance, of the fact that there is no need for ANY TAXES, that keeps us separated and weak. If the people knew, that the only reason taxes are collected is to make us believe that the paper notes we use are worth something, because even the government wants them, we would look past the misdirection, and we would see that the government is nothing but a scamming parasite.

It is the knowledge like this, that you would never ever be told in government-controlled school or university, that is the ultimate danger for any government.

So, to stop the free dissemination of knowledge, they need an excuse, because the people would not support their true motivation.

The excuse is that there are some (or many) important infrastructure elements, that are vulnerable to cyber attacks. But, the excuse is not the truth.

Why does the nuclear power station needs to be connected to the internet? It does not need to.

The same goes for any infrastructure element of any organization that is vital to the continuation of public order and stability.

These are connected to the interned, specifically to be the target, so that the attack can be made (hopefully by someone real, but if not, there are covert agents, ready and trained to do it).

So, the fake need targets are created, so that the fake need to protect them can be utilized as an excuse to shut down the most powerful method of dissemination of information known to men.

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Sun 04/19/09 12:05 PM
Edited by boo2u on Sun 04/19/09 12:07 PM

My thoughts... If they shut down the internet, they shut down independent thinking and a source for alternative information.

We face computer threats and viruses every day, nothing new, and most "schemes" people can see thru who typically use the internet.

It's just more control thru fear and a negative action that hurts and limits peoples ability to communicate.

Would the next step after blocking our communication be marshal law and FEMA camps? Makes sense to me! Take away our ability to communicate and you have an open door to such an agenda.

Check out Warmachines latest post!


I personally think we only need virus programs because the virus's are coming from those who make the virus software..rofl Ok you can laugh now. Is it true? Is it a conspiracy, sounds legit, but is it real?

I guess I am just not built to see negative in everything, I need a whole lot of information and not just one sided.

People are just as bias online as they are off line, getting the correct information is as difficult to get as it is in the media. People creating fear are also those who are so fucused on threats that they actually believe everything they are being pumped full of on biased sites. If I said that right.

While there are things from all sources that ring true, one can't be sure what is behind anything.

I agree that the internet is a useful tool it can also be used to create axiety as well. Would I shut it down, no, but I also don't know to what extent the bad guys can use it to harm others either. Do I think we tend to go too far one way or the other in solving our problems, YES.

So until I have more information and not just people seeing threats every where they turn I can't take it completely seriously either way.


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Sun 04/19/09 12:15 PM
yes

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Sun 04/19/09 12:44 PM

yes


yes what?

Atlantis75's photo
Sun 04/19/09 12:59 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sun 04/19/09 01:01 PM


My thoughts... If they shut down the internet, they shut down independent thinking and a source for alternative information.

We face computer threats and viruses every day, nothing new, and most "schemes" people can see thru who typically use the internet.

It's just more control thru fear and a negative action that hurts and limits peoples ability to communicate.

Would the next step after blocking our communication be marshal law and FEMA camps? Makes sense to me! Take away our ability to communicate and you have an open door to such an agenda.

Check out Warmachines latest post!


I personally think we only need virus programs because the virus's are coming from those who make the virus software..rofl Ok you can laugh now. Is it true? Is it a conspiracy, sounds legit, but is it real?

I guess I am just not built to see negative in everything, I need a whole lot of information and not just one sided.

People are just as bias online as they are off line, getting the correct information is as difficult to get as it is in the media. People creating fear are also those who are so fucused on threats that they actually believe everything they are being pumped full of on biased sites. If I said that right.

While there are things from all sources that ring true, one can't be sure what is behind anything.

I agree that the internet is a useful tool it can also be used to create axiety as well. Would I shut it down, no, but I also don't know to what extent the bad guys can use it to harm others either. Do I think we tend to go too far one way or the other in solving our problems, YES.

So until I have more information and not just people seeing threats every where they turn I can't take it completely seriously either way.




It is everyone's own business what to think or what to believe. Whatever is conspiracy or truth, each individual person believes whichever way they wish so. If someone sees this as a threat, that tells me, that "someone" just refuses to trust the people with any information.

If entire groups, towns, even nations can be deceived one way or another , it's not the fault of the person who spreads the propaganda, it's the fault of the people who believed it, it points out the problem of being uneducated and naive and as Thomas Jefferson said, "the people deserve the government and authority they vote for, let it be democracy, dictatorship or anything else"

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Sun 04/19/09 01:02 PM
I may not agree with everything but I will keep an open mind and an eye out

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Sun 04/19/09 01:43 PM



My thoughts... If they shut down the internet, they shut down independent thinking and a source for alternative information.

We face computer threats and viruses every day, nothing new, and most "schemes" people can see thru who typically use the internet.

It's just more control thru fear and a negative action that hurts and limits peoples ability to communicate.

Would the next step after blocking our communication be marshal law and FEMA camps? Makes sense to me! Take away our ability to communicate and you have an open door to such an agenda.

Check out Warmachines latest post!


I personally think we only need virus programs because the virus's are coming from those who make the virus software..rofl Ok you can laugh now. Is it true? Is it a conspiracy, sounds legit, but is it real?

I guess I am just not built to see negative in everything, I need a whole lot of information and not just one sided.

People are just as bias online as they are off line, getting the correct information is as difficult to get as it is in the media. People creating fear are also those who are so fucused on threats that they actually believe everything they are being pumped full of on biased sites. If I said that right.

While there are things from all sources that ring true, one can't be sure what is behind anything.

I agree that the internet is a useful tool it can also be used to create axiety as well. Would I shut it down, no, but I also don't know to what extent the bad guys can use it to harm others either. Do I think we tend to go too far one way or the other in solving our problems, YES.

So until I have more information and not just people seeing threats every where they turn I can't take it completely seriously either way.




It is everyone's own business what to think or what to believe. Whatever is conspiracy or truth, each individual person believes whichever way they wish so. If someone sees this as a threat, that tells me, that "someone" just refuses to trust the people with any information.

If entire groups, towns, even nations can be deceived one way or another , it's not the fault of the person who spreads the propaganda, it's the fault of the people who believed it, it points out the problem of being uneducated and naive and as Thomas Jefferson said, "the people deserve the government and authority they vote for, let it be democracy, dictatorship or anything else"


Tell me what is NOT propaganda today. Makes it very difficult to know what the hell is going on.

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Sun 04/19/09 02:24 PM
I remember when a computer was entertainment in its sense for only a few minutes before we got bored with it.

The time when going outside to play sports, go to live concerts, or just hang out with friends was a more enjoyeable past time experience as a whole.

The time when we actually enjoyed nature, life, friendship in live person.

Not that it can't be done today, but the internet is for many a way of life where every man and woman walks around with the cell phone attached to their ears or laptop chatting with their friends and family for hours.

Perhaps the internet should have stayed a military endeavor only and not a private entertainment business activity. I am sure many will disagree with this.

Of course don't mind me as I just contemplate the good times when internet wasn't a popular past time activity! Carry on chatting away behind that computer screen. What would you ever do without your internet and most of all "Mingle2"!laugh

Carry on growing love handles and big jelly butts ans stomachs; I am out to go another round of swimming in the ocean.drinker


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Sun 04/19/09 02:31 PM


My thoughts... If they shut down the internet, they shut down independent thinking and a source for alternative information.

We face computer threats and viruses every day, nothing new, and most "schemes" people can see thru who typically use the internet.

It's just more control thru fear and a negative action that hurts and limits peoples ability to communicate.

Would the next step after blocking our communication be marshal law and FEMA camps? Makes sense to me! Take away our ability to communicate and you have an open door to such an agenda.

Check out Warmachines latest post!


I personally think we only need virus programs because the virus's are coming from those who make the virus software..rofl Ok you can laugh now. Is it true? Is it a conspiracy, sounds legit, but is it real?

I guess I am just not built to see negative in everything, I need a whole lot of information and not just one sided.

People are just as bias online as they are off line, getting the correct information is as difficult to get as it is in the media. People creating fear are also those who are so fucused on threats that they actually believe everything they are being pumped full of on biased sites. If I said that right.

While there are things from all sources that ring true, one can't be sure what is behind anything.

I agree that the internet is a useful tool it can also be used to create axiety as well. Would I shut it down, no, but I also don't know to what extent the bad guys can use it to harm others either. Do I think we tend to go too far one way or the other in solving our problems, YES.

So until I have more information and not just people seeing threats every where they turn I can't take it completely seriously either way.




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