I don't claim, I do. Are you calling me a liar? And please stop yelling at me, the way to get my attention and convince me to at least listen to your theories is NOT by bullying and attempted intimidation. Calling me names and belittling me isn't going to cut it either. If you want to stop behaving like an ill-mannered, ignorant jerk, then perhaps I might find the time to listen to what you have to say. Until then, have a good one.

somebody hit the n00b on the head *bonk*

My "caps" are points, not yelling. Sorry.

I simply asked a question. Someone in "law" that doesn't do research is not someone I put much faith in. Laws change, are amended, and often defined by those "with power" to enforce them, regardless of the letter of it.

My point is, if a person stops asking questions, refuses to investigate an implication or referrence to evidence, and claims to be "in law", can their definition of it be trusted.

It was your comment, in my opinion very closed minded, that I attacked. The reasoning behind it.

It doesn't matter what the law say it is. Why? Because people write law. If you manage to agitate enough people about an issue, then the law will be rewritten, and those same layers who used to tell you that you are nothing, will lick the soles of your shoes.

Taxes as exercised in US today, are unconstitutional, but, as it is clear from above, it is irrelevant fact. Why argue with the law, when you can make the law obey?

There is no reason for an income tax, none that you were told. All the money that are collected by income tax, could be just as easily printed, after all, it is fiat system we are running.

Why do we pay taxes then? We pay taxes so that we use the FED paper notes as money, instead of actual money we used to have, the gold and silver certificates.

Anything can be forced into acceptance, provided it is used to collect the tax in. If you collect taxes in dirty socks, those socks then will be used as money.

The truth will set you free.

All I know for sure,...that it is friggen inexcusable to have a tax rate of 2,153% on bagged tobbacco...and 158% on other tobbacco products and accesories...all in the name of healthcare...that is absolute crap.

I am fully insured and I pay it out of my own pocket.

If they really want to be fair and help the health care system...levee those same tax rates on fast food, junk food and fat peoples clothing as incentives for them to be healthier.

umm, no, you attacked me. I am probably the most open-minded person I know, educated and I think for myself. If I don't know, I ask, and I ask and I research until I am satisfied with the answers I find. You don't know ANYTHING about me, how my opinions are formed, why, nothing. So you made a personal attack against me simply because I don't necessarily agree with your conclusions.

FYI, I did not report you or your post, I am more thick-skinned than that. However, if you continue, I won't hesitate.

Believe as you will, that is your right. All I can do is apologize for not being clearer, or less angry in my statement. You made it personal attacking me as a conspiracy theorist, and my offering as invalid!

You attacked my opinion as being a conspiracy theory. You labeled me a "conspirist" at a time when many (uniformed) people are of the opinion such people as I, with my beliefs, are thought no better than terrorists! Such statements as yours to me are the reason. You placed your opinion above mine and sought to discredit me when I offered a video of "documented testimony" from former IRS agents, tax officials, Senators, the Supreme Court and the Constitution as my proof. Who attacked who? What proof did you offer for your statement against me? The video I offered even addresses your statement of "if it was truely illegal or unconstitutional it would have been struck down, very loudly, and publicly, before now." It has! Many times! The video offers court cases and testimony to that fact that you can research had you chosen not to discredit me.

I'll defend your right to your opinion, but I choose truth, so can't agree with you. We can change the way things are! We are the people and government is employed by us! We are not "stuck" with anything if we stand up for our rights under the Constitution, and exercize them!

Report me as you will. My statement was in defense after your attack on me. It surely proved my point to anyone who DID watch the video and I am willing to defend myself and my beliefs, to whatever outcome.

leave my smokes alone....plus if they take that away from me because i can't afford it...people may have to take up a collection in here to buy me a carton to keep me nice lol

When taking into account all the taxes you pay, registration, impact fees, sales tax, excise tax, gasoline tax, property tax, and inflation (which is an unwritten tax), we are paying 50 to 90% of our income in taxes depending on your tax bracket.

This is ridiculous. As nogames mentioned earlier, the we have a fiat system, which allows inflation to take place. The tragic truth about this is the fact that 1/3 of our taxes go to paying the INTEREST rates on the money we print. How stupid is that?

Then you have our empire building, which soaks up about another 1/3 of our budget. Come on people.

End the war on terror, focus on military defense rather than offense, abolish the federal reserve, end the war on drugs, get rid of 50% of the government agencies out there, and guess what? You will suddenly be able to afford all kinds of things you couldn't before. You know, like health insurance...? Wouldn't that be nice....

The Bill of Rights, BHO nullified at the G20 Conference. It's now just scrap paper.

This sounds like a sound solution to me. Cut the defense budget in half some politicians say and there would be a big surplus.

That is open to debate of course

Also cutting costs on unimportant programs could be a way to help this government also.

Borrowing money from other countries may have stimulated the economy or ensured less unemployment at the moment, yet the question is will it help the country in the long run?

another debate to talk about

so yes many great ideas, but how many of this ideas will the politicians who make the decisions actually put into account to even consider to discuss on their floors?

I feel the same way. Paying taxes supports my community. I'd like to see less shelters and loop holes though.

Very well said!

I believe there is a $50,000 reward to anyone that can find a law requiring people to file for income tax. Go ahead, if you can find it, you can get a nice chunk of change.

Supposedly the supreme court ruled that this falls on corporate gains and profits only. Once in 1918 and another in 1920.

That presumes that the supreme court would not allow an unconstitutional law to exist. And in such case, we would not have unbacked paper fiat as legal tender.

Kind of ruins the whole point, doesn't it?

No, for real, Driving, don't you think so? It is interesting to note, that the establishment of fiat in US did happen at the same time as that of income tax.

Im my entire life, I have never gotten an income tax RETURN. No matter how much I pay in, I always still owe at the end of the year.
Never gotten ANY check, benefits, payments or anything from the government...ever. Yet my brother with full blown epilepsy, who has seizures almost daily, and has for over 30 years, and cannot work for it, cannot get a social security or SSI check. Turned dwn flat every time he's tried. He also got cancer and was so sick from chemo and radiation he couldn't get out of bed....and still couldn't get any help from the government.

I know 25 black people (at least) who have jobs and get SSI, Social Security, Welfare, Housing "assistance", etc. Whats wrong with that picture???

So I'm very pissed at our government, especially when I'm writing that huge check.

Yeah, I sure thought that in the constitution of the United States it says "The government shall impose no taxes on individuals". I'm not sure but I think the 16th amendment changed that.

The Federal Govt. last raised taxes on alcohol, probably the worst and most harmful drug available, in 1973.