What puzzles me the most is that i make a post basically re-iterating what was said in the OP(which I made!), added in a small fact about the Old Testament, and said my view about how i feel about god. And i get called a sick individual, for not respecting other peoples views. How about people respecting my views? You cant come into a thread made an athiest(if thats what i am) and expect your views to be agreed with. If you cant handle views from both sides of the argument you have the Christian forum to post in. I Am sorry it offends you when i remind you that your own books prove god to not all be about love. But that is the case. I really wish i could respect God more, but the words of God are really very harsh.

Although, its not me saying that the bible are his words.

Im not quite an athiest. There may be a god, and maybe i could respect him, but definately not if the words of the bible are his.

It is your choice to blame anyone you like. But the truth is, God or not, you are responsible for your actions, right or wrong. Actions have consequences and you will reap them.

Not taking responsibility for 'what you do wrong' and blaming others is just immature and non-productive. Forget the IF THERE IS A GOD PART.

If you want to reject religious dogma, reject it. I'm all for that. But yours is a hostility that sets out to attack that dogma from a point of your own anger and frustration.

Just be happy and live your life and realize that you are going to reap the consequences of your thoughts and actions. Stop blaming. Take responsibility.

Free yourself from the chains of religious dogma forever and adopt a more practical way of life and find your purpose by following your heart towards what you desire.

Gloria
High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth an Honesty.

This is an interesting thread. 'You can assume they did not, but you cannot know.' good point Jeanniebean.

Let's say your child is obese so you know your child is going to eat sweets even though they are bad for him...you tell him no....but he sneaks them at school...but you knew he would find a way...is it your fault he had some at school? Or is it his own fault?

You knew he would...so therefore IT MUST be your fault....

Well that is according to your logic

oh Isaac, a public screaming match deserves a public apology.
I'm sorry for how i spoke to u yesterday, i have no excuse

This thread is starting to get on my nerves...it's become an original question into name calling and perspective bashing...right along with my other non-fave, being jerks to one another....

The point is, we can talk about it in circles until the sky turns green, no one is going to change their mind or agree to something different than they came in here thinking. So why prolong it in a heated debate?

For believers, no proof of anything is necessary. For non believers, no proof will ever be enough. Same thing with points of view on whose fault our mistakes are.

apology accepted...I was being a little bit of an a$$ as well. But hey we are men...we are naturally aholes...well I am anyway

You have got it all wrong.

Im not laying blame for my actions on anyone else. I am hardly going to blame a god i dont really think exists am i?

But religious people tell me that doing this and doing that is a sin. Some of these these i absolutely agree with, some of them i do not.

When my girlfriend moves in with me, some will say we are living in sin.

I disagree that is a sin. IF god does exist and IF he has said that is a sin, then he is to blame for it, for if he made me, he made me in a way that i would want to do that.

Anger and frustration? Where did you get that from? Im not an angry or frustrated person at all. I live a very happy and fulfilling life. I just find it interesting how people can believe so much in something that makes so little sense to me. I take part in these discussions purely because i find it interesting and am trying to learn more.

yet a lot of christian (and other religions) blame it on "the devils temptaion"

This is what I tell people who would have the nerve to tell me I am "sinning" according to their moral standards.

The term "sin" is meaningless outside of Christianity and any other religion that teaches this doctrine. Sin means to "disobey" God. Therefore the term 'sin' has no meaning to a person who does not believe in or follow that doctrine or that God. "Sin" is a meaningless term to an atheist or non-Christian.

Only Christianity tends to own that term "sin" and they claim to be the experts on what is and what is not a sin. If I (in my church of Brutal Truth and Honesty) declared that it was a 'sin' to give candy or brownies or sugary treats to children the Christian Churches would be outraged that I should dare to use their term 'sin' in my religious doctrines. THEY OWN SIN. THEY CREATED IT.

Without sin, the Christian Churches would have no doctrine. They would have no reason for a savior. Sin BELONGS to CHRISTIANITY and any other Biblical teachings or religions that stem from Christianity.

So what I tell people who go around pointing to me as a sinner, is that there is NO SUCH THING AS SIN except within the confines of your religious doctrine. I am not within those confines, therefore I do not acknowledge your claims about 'sin.' Sin does not exist. It is just an opinion.

So I would tell them to mind their own business.

i'm far too lazy to have read any of this long winded stuff so i don't care who's fault what is

I agree with you long winded and I know it is not Gods fault. :)

and it's certainly not mine!!

According to Christians being gay is a sin and is your fault!

see my above answer....same thing applies....you made that kid didn't you? so is EVERY parent to blame for their child's actions?