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Read the bible and stop using his name in vain first of all, stop being rude! if your not capable of respecting someones particular religon get out of this forum! The answers all are in the bible and i for one believe that theres jesus christ and a God. See heres the thing, to answer your question, God knows everything. He knows what your going to do before you do it. Do some research or pick up some books about christianity, whatever! God gives us a choice. Thats why hes such a loving God. He wont stop us from doing whatever. He gave us a decison to either follow him or go astray. Thank you, Pillowfight! I soooooo agree!!!! |
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Read the bible and stop using his name in vain first of all, stop being rude! if your not capable of respecting someones particular religon get out of this forum! The answers all are in the bible and i for one believe that theres jesus christ and a God. See heres the thing, to answer your question, God knows everything. He knows what your going to do before you do it. Do some research or pick up some books about christianity, whatever! God gives us a choice. Thats why hes such a loving God. He wont stop us from doing whatever. He gave us a decison to either follow him or go astray. As I have already explained (twice) you can't have it both ways. Either it is all knowing, or we have a choice. |
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Read the bible and stop using his name in vain first of all, stop being rude! if your not capable of respecting someones particular religon get out of this forum! The answers all are in the bible and i for one believe that theres jesus christ and a God. See heres the thing, to answer your question, God knows everything. He knows what your going to do before you do it. Do some research or pick up some books about christianity, whatever! God gives us a choice. Thats why hes such a loving God. He wont stop us from doing whatever. He gave us a decison to either follow him or go astray. As I have already explained (twice) you can't have it both ways. Either it is all knowing, or we have a choice. Why does everyone always think when you say that God is Omniscient and knows everything AND we can have free will that we are wrong in that thinking?? It IS both ways. We do have free will, YES, however, God already knows the decisions and choices we are going to make, and what will happen to us in our lives as a result of those decisions...if you don't believe me, think about this.... Have you ever met anyone in your life or had anything happen in your life that was extremely unexpected or somehow things just worked out in a way you couldn't have imagined, or maybe you ran into this one particular person in an elevator, etc. Anything like that.... ??? Think back on that....can you really chalk it all up to be a mere coincidence? I mean don't just look at that particular event that happened or that allowed you to meet that person...trace it back farther...what was the entire journey that got you or them or that particular situation to that point. There was a REASON it happened. God allowed things to work out in a particular way so that by the choices you made and/or they made along the way would bring you together or let that event work out the way it did. THAT is what I mean. God is very much gives us free will, but he KNOWS the choices and decisions we are going to make. There's no either/or....it's both together. |
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Read the bible and stop using his name in vain first of all, stop being rude! if your not capable of respecting someones particular religon get out of this forum! The answers all are in the bible and i for one believe that theres jesus christ and a God. See heres the thing, to answer your question, God knows everything. He knows what your going to do before you do it. Do some research or pick up some books about christianity, whatever! God gives us a choice. Thats why hes such a loving God. He wont stop us from doing whatever. He gave us a decison to either follow him or go astray. As I have already explained (twice) you can't have it both ways. Either it is all knowing, or we have a choice. Just because God know what your doing doesn't mean you have don't have free will. Its just mean that he know what you're going to do next. IF knows what you're going to do next and THEN does something to change it then it mean you don't have free will. |
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Read the bible and stop using his name in vain first of all, stop being rude! if your not capable of respecting someones particular religon get out of this forum! The answers all are in the bible and i for one believe that theres jesus christ and a God. See heres the thing, to answer your question, God knows everything. He knows what your going to do before you do it. Do some research or pick up some books about christianity, whatever! God gives us a choice. Thats why hes such a loving God. He wont stop us from doing whatever. He gave us a decison to either follow him or go astray. As I have already explained (twice) you can't have it both ways. Either it is all knowing, or we have a choice. Just because God know what your doing doesn't mean you have don't have free will. Its just mean that he know what you're going to do next. IF knows what you're going to do next and THEN does something to change it then it mean you don't have free will. Touche, Cas! I hope you are well! 
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I think God created us and then let go. We have free will. That's why I don't believe we can pray for good weather or that "God was with the Orlando Magic when they won in overtime."  Free will cannot be the answer to why we sin though because God must have known what we were going to do with this free will. God gave us free will because he wanted us to love him by choice, unlike the angels who were bound to him. Sin is an unfortunate by-product of free will. God has to take the bad with the good just like everyone else. Apparently all angels were not bound to him because one third of the host of angels rebelled against the current administration. That does not happen unless there is discontent and discord. Discontent and discord does not happen if a God is Perfect. Say's who? The story that Lucifer wanted to take over God's job is bogus propaganda spread by the galactic council. Religion pushers today still shove that story down the throats of people who become enlightened to their own Godhood and their own personal power. The Church wants all the spiritual power and authority over the slaves of earth (humans) in the name of an alleged God who they claim is the one and only creator of the entire universe. Yet this alleged God never shows his face. Even Lucifer accused Michael of making up this God so he could rule heaven, because even the highest angels have never seen him. (This information comes from the Uranita Book, a highly followed book by a new type of Christian.) Whether any of this has any basis in truth of any degree I don't know. But the information is there. You can pick and choose what you want to believe. What church are you talking about? This does not represent the church I belong to. I didn't expect it to be the church YOU belong to. There are many churches that worship and follow Jesus that are not the church you belong to. |
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Read the bible and stop using his name in vain first of all, stop being rude! if your not capable of respecting someones particular religon get out of this forum! The answers all are in the bible and i for one believe that theres jesus christ and a God. See heres the thing, to answer your question, God knows everything. He knows what your going to do before you do it. Do some research or pick up some books about christianity, whatever! God gives us a choice. Thats why hes such a loving God. He wont stop us from doing whatever. He gave us a decison to either follow him or go astray. What do you mean get out of this forum? Who do you think your are to to police this forum? This is a general religion forum. There are many religions that fall under that category, and they all believe in a God of some sort, and they don't all go by the Bible. If you want to discuss a particular religion then I am sure you can find a particular forum for that. Whatever you say in this forum is regarded as your opinion. If you want to discuss your opinion, go ahead. |
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I hate people who are so rude and ignorant about religon. we know whose going to hell... You hate people? What God do you worship? |
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I dont know why we always have to blame someone. I try my best to take responsibility for my actions.
As for the suffering children, or tragedies, It makes me wonder after peoples experience in life why they have some idea that life is meant to have no pain. It is in my belief that any suffering makes an imprint, and influence on the soul, or spirit. That pain too is a part of that journey, to bring us to a higher place within, and help us be stronger, and help another grow. I am not under any impression that any individual in any culture doesnt have a chance to goto what is thought to be heaven. And I dont believe that just because someone never had the chance to know my higher power, or God as I understand him, doesnt mean they are less worthy, of a blessed afterlife. |
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If God is supposed to know everything, and is supposed to have created us, how is it he didnt know we would become sinners? Surely he must have created us to be sinners? If he made us what we are, then how is it possible that anything we do is a sin? We apparantly fell from grace with God from the get go. If God does exist and he did create us, then i blame him for anything we do wrong. Either that, or there is nothing that we can possibly do wrong in his eyes. |
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God give us "Free Will" and perhaps ready the gospel of Paul who said it so nicely "it is not me but the sin that dwells withing me".
Wishing you all the best! |
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GOD GAVE US FREE WILL,,,, REMEMBER IT'S ONLY A TEST,,, GOD GIVE US MANY CHANCES TO PASS, GOD GIVES US CLEAR DIRECTION AND MANY CHANCES,,, PUT THE BLAME WHERE THE BLAME IS DUE !!!!! 1. If you are right, it's a ****ed up test. 2. Either God is omniscient, or we have free will. If God is omniscient, then he knows everything, including every choice we are going to make, therefore, the choice is just an illusion. If we have Free Will, then god is not omniscient, then way call it god? You missed the other obvious choice. God is omniscient AND we have free will. Demonstrate how this is not possible. It's pretty simple how God being Omniscient, and us having Free Will(if there is a God) is impossible. If god is an all knowing being, then it knows everything, what has happened, and what will happen. If this is the case, then Free Will is just an illusion. It appears as if we have the choice, but god already knows what we are going to do, and since it is known, it isn't a choice at all. It's like watching your favorite sitcom. The characters appear to have different choices throughout the entire episode, but the choices they made were written in the script, so it wasn't a choice at all. Now, if we actually have Free Will, and we actually have the choice, then god is not omniscient. Now, whether you accept it or not, It really is that simple. Actually, you're wrong in your presumption, because you are equating the mind of man with the mind of God. It is obvious that man does not know the outcome of his choices, an obvious fact demonstrating that man is not omniscient - so choice always remains with the will of man when he is faced with a decision. Man also does not exist beyond the present, and makes presumptions of the future by determining his subjective view of the past. Here again, limiting his being able to determine the obvious when faced with a choice. God is not bound by any of this - however, this does not prevent him from knowing all of the choices that everyone has made through time - since he is not bound by it. Now - if you would like to say that God cannot predetermine the choices of man - that is another topic, and is unrelated to omniscience. Perhaps that is simple, but it appears that you and I have a diffeent understanding of what "simple" means. the bottom line is your premise lacks a foundation, as you haven't demonstrated how the free choice of man keeps God from knowing what the decisions "were". And your analogy of the sitcome is a weak one, as - until you view it, you have no idea whether or not the words being said were scripted or not, despite the fact that the show was filmed long before you are viewing it. As far as you can tell, unless someone tells you otherwiswe, every word of a sitcom is viewed as scripted because you "assume" it is. Reality will demonstrate otherwise. |
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I think God created us and then let go. We have free will. That's why I don't believe we can pray for good weather or that "God was with the Orlando Magic when they won in overtime." Free will cannot be the answer to why we sin though because God must have known what we were going to do with this free will. God gave us free will because he wanted us to love him by choice, unlike the angels who were bound to him. Sin is an unfortunate by-product of free will. God has to take the bad with the good just like everyone else. Apparently all angels were not bound to him because one third of the host of angels rebelled against the current administration. That does not happen unless there is discontent and discord. Discontent and discord does not happen if a God is Perfect. Say's who? The story that Lucifer wanted to take over God's job is bogus propaganda spread by the galactic council. Religion pushers today still shove that story down the throats of people who become enlightened to their own Godhood and their own personal power. The Church wants all the spiritual power and authority over the slaves of earth (humans) in the name of an alleged God who they claim is the one and only creator of the entire universe. Yet this alleged God never shows his face. Even Lucifer accused Michael of making up this God so he could rule heaven, because even the highest angels have never seen him. (This information comes from the Uranita Book, a highly followed book by a new type of Christian.) Whether any of this has any basis in truth of any degree I don't know. But the information is there. You can pick and choose what you want to believe. What church are you talking about? This does not represent the church I belong to. I didn't expect it to be the church YOU belong to. There are many churches that worship and follow Jesus that are not the church you belong to. Well - according to Jesus - he established ONE church. You either belong to that church - or you are not a christian. Plain and simple. It is not denominationaly driven, and it is not determined by the will or choice of man. One does not decide one day that they're a christain, and decide the next that they're not. That contradicts what the bible says, and aside from the bible - there is no christainity. Claiming to be a christain and rejecting the bible is a contradiction in terms. |
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GOD GAVE US FREE WILL,,,, REMEMBER IT'S ONLY A TEST,,, GOD GIVE US MANY CHANCES TO PASS, GOD GIVES US CLEAR DIRECTION AND MANY CHANCES,,, PUT THE BLAME WHERE THE BLAME IS DUE !!!!! 1. If you are right, it's a ****ed up test. 2. Either God is omniscient, or we have free will. If God is omniscient, then he knows everything, including every choice we are going to make, therefore, the choice is just an illusion. If we have Free Will, then god is not omniscient, then way call it god? You missed the other obvious choice. God is omniscient AND we have free will. Demonstrate how this is not possible. It's pretty simple how God being Omniscient, and us having Free Will(if there is a God) is impossible. If god is an all knowing being, then it knows everything, what has happened, and what will happen. If this is the case, then Free Will is just an illusion. It appears as if we have the choice, but god already knows what we are going to do, and since it is known, it isn't a choice at all. It's like watching your favorite sitcom. The characters appear to have different choices throughout the entire episode, but the choices they made were written in the script, so it wasn't a choice at all. Now, if we actually have Free Will, and we actually have the choice, then god is not omniscient. Now, whether you accept it or not, It really is that simple. Actually, you're wrong in your presumption, because you are equating the mind of man with the mind of God. It is obvious that man does not know the outcome of his choices, an obvious fact demonstrating that man is not omniscient - so choice always remains with the will of man when he is faced with a decision. Man also does not exist beyond the present, and makes presumptions of the future by determining his subjective view of the past. Here again, limiting his being able to determine the obvious when faced with a choice. God is not bound by any of this - however, this does not prevent him from knowing all of the choices that everyone has made through time - since he is not bound by it. Now - if you would like to say that God cannot predetermine the choices of man - that is another topic, and is unrelated to omniscience. Perhaps that is simple, but it appears that you and I have a diffeent understanding of what "simple" means. the bottom line is your premise lacks a foundation, as you haven't demonstrated how the free choice of man keeps God from knowing what the decisions "were". And your analogy of the sitcome is a weak one, as - until you view it, you have no idea whether or not the words being said were scripted or not, despite the fact that the show was filmed long before you are viewing it. As far as you can tell, unless someone tells you otherwiswe, every word of a sitcom is viewed as scripted because you "assume" it is. Reality will demonstrate otherwise. |
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First of all to believe in Jesus as the Messiah does not mean that you have to change religions. It means that you are a Jewish person who believes in Jesus as an EXTENSION of your jewish faith. That Jesus is the fulfillment of the Torah or the old covenant. There
are a lot of Jews like this. They are called Messianic Jews. One of them is Sid Roth, a Messianic Jew. He has his own TV program throughout Canada and the United States. It is an AWESOME program. You need to go to his website at www.sidroth.com. There you can check out the program. It's called "It's Supernatural". It's God's supernatural activities that are disclosed because alot of people don't know what supernatural things GOD is doing on the earth, with HIS power. There you can download the videos of his programs, of his bio, and to explain about being Messianic Jewish. All kinds of healings are taking place from his programs on that website. I myself got a healing when Sid Roth prayed for the TV audience. I was diagnosed with A-Vascular Necrosis which means the bones were dying at the knees. I was supposed to have a knee replacement. When he prayed for me I could stand up for the first time using my legs. I couldn't do that before for years. I can walk like I couldn't walk before - that limp is GONE. Anyway there's video to click on how to know God. Please check it out!! |
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Rply to posting 5255 Sorry his website is at www.sidroth.org 
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Dan99 Please look at the end of pg 4 of the postings. It's my first posting and I didn't do it right so I ended up putting the posting there! Just look for the oops sign
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Well according to Christians, you can do anything wrong that you want to. Christ already died for all the sins ever commited.  had a few christians tell me i`m going to hell for not believing in there religoun guess god is going to have to off another son of his to pay for that sin I was told that because I'm Jewish I will go to hell for not accepting Christ as my saviour. My answer is simply that it says in the Ten Commandments that I should honor my father and mother. To change religions would be to ignore that obligation. No one has yet to offer a salient response to that assertion. |
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Edited by
Looking4PB
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Sun 06/21/09 02:49 PM
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Well according to Christians, you can do anything wrong that you want to. Christ already died for all the sins ever commited. had a few christians tell me i`m going to hell for not believing in there religoun guess god is going to have to off another son of his to pay for that sin I was told that because I'm Jewish I will go to hell for not accepting Christ as my saviour. My answer is simply that it says in the Ten Commandments that I should honor my father and mother. To change religions would be to ignore that obligation. No one has yet to offer a salient response to that assertion. Please refer to the other posting(s) for my reply. |
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