Topic: what reeally happened to the dinosaurs...
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Tue 01/19/10 12:50 PM


you obviousely do not understand what free will is.


it is perhaps you that do not understand what onmiscient means ....it means that everything you do no matter what was a result of God's Divine Plan


DIVINE PLAN.... exactly.

That still does not contradict free will. God does not reach down here and forceably control us, we have the free will to do either God's plan, or do Devil's plan. But still nevertheless we have the FREE WILL to do either. We'll just have to settle with the outcome of our actions.

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Tue 01/19/10 12:51 PM



you obviousely do not understand what free will is.


it is perhaps you that do not understand what onmiscient means ....it means that everything you do no matter what was a result of God's Divine Plan


DIVINE PLAN.... exactly.

That still does not contradict free will. God does not reach down here and forceably control us, we have the free will to do either God's plan, or do Devil's plan. But still nevertheless we have the FREE WILL to do either. We'll just have to settle with the outcome of our actions.


if it's a plan then it was pre-plan...and that is why there is no "Free Will"

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Tue 01/19/10 12:54 PM




you obviousely do not understand what free will is.


it is perhaps you that do not understand what onmiscient means ....it means that everything you do no matter what was a result of God's Divine Plan


DIVINE PLAN.... exactly.

That still does not contradict free will. God does not reach down here and forceably control us, we have the free will to do either God's plan, or do Devil's plan. But still nevertheless we have the FREE WILL to do either. We'll just have to settle with the outcome of our actions.


if it's a plan then it was pre-plan...and that is why there is no "Free Will"


yes THINK ABOUT IT FUNCHES.............. PLAN..... plan is nothing but an idea, a goal to achive.

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Tue 01/19/10 12:56 PM





you obviousely do not understand what free will is.


it is perhaps you that do not understand what onmiscient means ....it means that everything you do no matter what was a result of God's Divine Plan


DIVINE PLAN.... exactly.

That still does not contradict free will. God does not reach down here and forceably control us, we have the free will to do either God's plan, or do Devil's plan. But still nevertheless we have the FREE WILL to do either. We'll just have to settle with the outcome of our actions.


if it's a plan then it was pre-plan...and that is why there is no "Free Will"


yes THINK ABOUT IT FUNCHES.............. PLAN..... plan is nothing but an idea, a goal to achive.


so now it's God's Divine idea? .....see how you lessen your God

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Tue 01/19/10 01:00 PM






you obviousely do not understand what free will is.


it is perhaps you that do not understand what onmiscient means ....it means that everything you do no matter what was a result of God's Divine Plan


DIVINE PLAN.... exactly.

That still does not contradict free will. God does not reach down here and forceably control us, we have the free will to do either God's plan, or do Devil's plan. But still nevertheless we have the FREE WILL to do either. We'll just have to settle with the outcome of our actions.


if it's a plan then it was pre-plan...and that is why there is no "Free Will"


yes THINK ABOUT IT FUNCHES.............. PLAN..... plan is nothing but an idea, a goal to achive.


so now it's God's Divine idea? .....see how you lessen your God


how is that lessening God? God's plan is to have us all in heaven with God, but some people choose to lead evil lives. So then they will not make it to heaven. It's an idea/plan for us all to go to heaven, but still nevertheless not all of us will make it. If there was no such thing as free will everyone would go to heaven, but then that would make our lives pointless because our lives are nothing but a test for us and earn ourselves a place in heaven or fail and go to hell.

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Tue 01/19/10 01:11 PM

how is that lessening God? God's plan is to have us all in heaven with God,


if God planned for everyone to be in Heaven then he wouldn't have created a Hell ...

I'll give you an example of why there is no "Free Will" ...let's say everyone in existence did go to Heaven...would armageddon still take place?

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Tue 01/19/10 01:15 PM


how is that lessening God? God's plan is to have us all in heaven with God,


if God planned for everyone to be in Heaven then he wouldn't have created a Hell ...

I'll give you an example of why there is no "Free Will" ...let's say everyone in existence did go to Heaven...would armageddon still take place?


hell was not created for man and all the followers of God will be long gone before armageddon.

People will not go to hell anyways, hell is destroyed at the end of times. The devil and every poor evil soul will be cast into the lake of fire.

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Tue 01/19/10 01:24 PM



how is that lessening God? God's plan is to have us all in heaven with God,


if God planned for everyone to be in Heaven then he wouldn't have created a Hell ...

I'll give you an example of why there is no "Free Will" ...let's say everyone in existence did go to Heaven...would armageddon still take place?


hell was not created for man and all the followers of God will be long gone before armageddon.

People will not go to hell anyways, hell is destroyed at the end of times. The devil and every poor evil soul will be cast into the lake of fire.


Cowboy...you still didn't answer the question ...if everyone when to Heaven would there still be an armageddon?

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Tue 01/19/10 04:25 PM




That so doesn't make any damn sense. If your god knows everything and can do anything, why wouldn't he just make the world just exactly they way he wanted in the first place? Why go through all that trouble in the beginning just to end up where we are now?
That's just silly.


God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning." This is the same for a carpenter, he knows the end from the beginning......with plans....it will be a house. The way to the final end often take paths do to the free will of individuals handling their own tasks.
Satan a created being never new sin until it was found in him. Did God know this would happen....no! But the end or final product would be as he wanted by another means....so the plan was adjusted through man more directly. Man will in the end know their is no fruits to their own way of sin and will never return to it because it is pointless failure. Then the end known from the beginning will be done.

God repented that he ever made man at one point. Would he have made man if he knew he would repent of doing so.....foolish! man needs to understand God for who he is and not for the ideas of thier own understanding.

Most of all the ideas about God, Christ and the Kingdom are 180 degrees from the truth. This world's preachers preach that man has an immortal soul........then how can God give eternal life to one who already has it. how can one who goes directly to heaven at death ever be resurrected at the return of Christ. Mankind know nothing of God....only the God they have created in their own image.

Man thinks a day starts at 12:00 A.M. BY MAN'S CLOCK. When the day start at evening at sunset. Read Genesis! Their lack of understanding begins there and then in Revelation....death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. How can hell be cast into hell....they don't know and it is simple. Look up hell in that verse in a Strong's Concordance.....that word translated hell is "Grave"....Death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire...read on and it make sense. People need to understand the Bible instead of leaning unto thier own understanding.

These lost ones are those followed....blind leading the blind.

You have learned of a God of thier confused understanding and not the God Eternal.

Peace!


I'm gonna go ahead and guess english is not your native language. The mismash you wrote is damn near immpossible to follow.
That being said, I think part of what you were trying to convey is that you believe that your god is not in fact all knowing nor is he all powerful.
Which is fine but that does contradict what your bible says. I'm thinking to get past a few logical inconsistancies, you're inventing your own religion.
Hey, whatever works for you.

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Tue 01/19/10 04:37 PM





God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning."


if God knows the end from the beginning then there isn't any "Free Will"


so you're saying if i know my neighbor is going to complain about my music means they don't have free will because i foreseen the complaints?


are you saying that you are God and are omniscient and know the end to the beginning and gave your neighbor "Free Will"?


no i absolutely am not. I was making an example to show that even if you know the outcome of something you are not taking the free will away. Neither is God even though he knows the end.


However, if you make something, and you know exactly how it will perform under any condition, then whatever it does, it does because you made it that way.
Similarly, if God makes a person, and God knows everything, whatever that person does, that person does it because God made that person that way. And then there is no free will.
The only way one may have free will is either God does not make us or He does not know everything.
Either way, your belief system doesn't work. Your bible has several instances where it says God knows everything and God created us and everything else. And we have free will. This, logically, cannot be, as I have just shown.

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Tue 01/19/10 05:01 PM
If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.


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Tue 01/19/10 05:12 PM






God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning."


if God knows the end from the beginning then there isn't any "Free Will"


so you're saying if i know my neighbor is going to complain about my music means they don't have free will because i foreseen the complaints?


are you saying that you are God and are omniscient and know the end to the beginning and gave your neighbor "Free Will"?


no i absolutely am not. I was making an example to show that even if you know the outcome of something you are not taking the free will away. Neither is God even though he knows the end.


However, if you make something, and you know exactly how it will perform under any condition, then whatever it does, it does because you made it that way.
Similarly, if God makes a person, and God knows everything, whatever that person does, that person does it because God made that person that way. And then there is no free will.
The only way one may have free will is either God does not make us or He does not know everything.
Either way, your belief system doesn't work. Your bible has several instances where it says God knows everything and God created us and everything else. And we have free will. This, logically, cannot be, as I have just shown.


God did not make man as he is today. man chose to know good and evil.....and man choses to do mostly evil. God did not make them that way. God did not make the falling Angels that way either.

The Angels and man have free will.....if not then they can not be his children.....only organic robots. We are being allowed to make mistakes for a sound reason.....you should know the reason but it sounds like you lack much in understanding. I say this kindly not to insult.

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Tue 01/19/10 05:17 PM

If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.




And once again, your analogy only applies IF you didn't create the workers in the first place. Are you now saying God didn't create us?

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Tue 01/19/10 05:21 PM





That so doesn't make any damn sense. If your god knows everything and can do anything, why wouldn't he just make the world just exactly they way he wanted in the first place? Why go through all that trouble in the beginning just to end up where we are now?
That's just silly.


God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning." This is the same for a carpenter, he knows the end from the beginning......with plans....it will be a house. The way to the final end often take paths do to the free will of individuals handling their own tasks.
Satan a created being never new sin until it was found in him. Did God know this would happen....no! But the end or final product would be as he wanted by another means....so the plan was adjusted through man more directly. Man will in the end know their is no fruits to their own way of sin and will never return to it because it is pointless failure. Then the end known from the beginning will be done.

God repented that he ever made man at one point. Would he have made man if he knew he would repent of doing so.....foolish! man needs to understand God for who he is and not for the ideas of thier own understanding.

Most of all the ideas about God, Christ and the Kingdom are 180 degrees from the truth. This world's preachers preach that man has an immortal soul........then how can God give eternal life to one who already has it. how can one who goes directly to heaven at death ever be resurrected at the return of Christ. Mankind know nothing of God....only the God they have created in their own image.

Man thinks a day starts at 12:00 A.M. BY MAN'S CLOCK. When the day start at evening at sunset. Read Genesis! Their lack of understanding begins there and then in Revelation....death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. How can hell be cast into hell....they don't know and it is simple. Look up hell in that verse in a Strong's Concordance.....that word translated hell is "Grave"....Death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire...read on and it make sense. People need to understand the Bible instead of leaning unto thier own understanding.

These lost ones are those followed....blind leading the blind.

You have learned of a God of thier confused understanding and not the God Eternal.

Peace!


I'm gonna go ahead and guess english is not your native language. The mismash you wrote is damn near immpossible to follow.
That being said, I think part of what you were trying to convey is that you believe that your god is not in fact all knowing nor is he all powerful.
Which is fine but that does contradict what your bible says. I'm thinking to get past a few logical inconsistancies, you're inventing your own religion.
Hey, whatever works for you.


I am sorry if my words lack simple ideas for your understanding and not written in perfection.

If I am inventing my own religion....then about a million of us have made the same religion seperately from one another. It is Bible based only!!! That is why we agree together. The Bible is not for private interpetation.

I waste no more time with you. Peace!


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Tue 01/19/10 05:23 PM


If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.




And once again, your analogy only applies IF you didn't create the workers in the first place. Are you now saying God didn't create us?


Foolishness! I waste no more time with you.

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Tue 01/19/10 05:27 PM







God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning."


if God knows the end from the beginning then there isn't any "Free Will"


so you're saying if i know my neighbor is going to complain about my music means they don't have free will because i foreseen the complaints?


are you saying that you are God and are omniscient and know the end to the beginning and gave your neighbor "Free Will"?


no i absolutely am not. I was making an example to show that even if you know the outcome of something you are not taking the free will away. Neither is God even though he knows the end.


However, if you make something, and you know exactly how it will perform under any condition, then whatever it does, it does because you made it that way.
Similarly, if God makes a person, and God knows everything, whatever that person does, that person does it because God made that person that way. And then there is no free will.
The only way one may have free will is either God does not make us or He does not know everything.
Either way, your belief system doesn't work. Your bible has several instances where it says God knows everything and God created us and everything else. And we have free will. This, logically, cannot be, as I have just shown.


God did not make man as he is today. man chose to know good and evil.....and man choses to do mostly evil. God did not make them that way. God did not make the falling Angels that way either.

The Angels and man have free will.....if not then they can not be his children.....only organic robots. We are being allowed to make mistakes for a sound reason.....you should know the reason but it sounds like you lack much in understanding. I say this kindly not to insult.


Since you won't adress the logical problems I've laid out, I see no reason to keep bantering with you.
As is typical w/ most of your ilk, you completely ignore anything that shows the logical fallicies of your belief system.
And yes, you are quite correct, I very much lack understanding how anyone could believe such silly nonsense.
Just as you seem to lack any ability at logical thinking.

hrumpft!
frustrated

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Tue 01/19/10 05:30 PM



If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.




And once again, your analogy only applies IF you didn't create the workers in the first place. Are you now saying God didn't create us?


Foolishness! I waste no more time with you.


well, at least we agreed on something....laugh

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Tue 01/19/10 07:37 PM

If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.




well let's look at this in a biblical sense ....why do you think that God ask Noah to build the Ark ...

was it because Noah was faithful
or was it because God is omniscient

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Wed 01/20/10 09:26 PM
Edited by Arcamedees on Wed 01/20/10 09:27 PM


If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.




well let's look at this in a biblical sense ....why do you think that God ask Noah to build the Ark ...

was it because Noah was faithful
or was it because God is omniscient


wanna know an easy way to debunk the Noah's ark mythology? Ask a good christian which one of Noah's family got to carry atheletes foot or herpes.
Of course this only works if the christain truly believes God created all life on Earth as it is, more or less, and definitly doesn't believe in evolution.

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Mon 05/24/10 05:31 PM
I will not discuss, only put forth this due to the nature of this forum.

There is no conflict between evolution and creation.

The Earth was created for an abode for the Angels. Those on the Earth were to learn and tend it. Evolution did occur during this time.

When Satan found sin within, he and a third of the Angels tried to de-throne God and accend to the third Heaven.

The war that came destroyed much and made the Earth desolate and a wasteland.

God then re-formed the surface of the Earth in Genesis. He made many things after its kind (Noah saved on the Ark animals after its kind...same use of word as in Genesis) and they were simular to the old that had evolved before under the care of the Angels. But mankind was made after the image of God and not of the old.

This re-creation took place as the Bible teaches and evolution did occur before and after the Genesis period.

In spite of some and their remarks.......read your Bible...it is there.

This is NOT my own made up thing as some will say and proclaim.....Please read the Bible!

I await insults without reply.

Cyclops