Topic: what reeally happened to the dinosaurs...
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Thu 07/30/09 04:32 PM





Where the he** did you get a picture of my neighbor with his dog???
surprised If your neighbor looks like that,then he might be a draconiansurprised
rofl rofl rofl rofl

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 07/31/09 12:46 AM






Where the he** did you get a picture of my neighbor with his dog???
surprised If your neighbor looks like that,then he might be a draconiansurprised
rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Fri 07/31/09 01:08 PM




There is a very famous fossilized footprint, found in Montana, I believe (a place which is now a National Park), suggesting what happened to dinosaurs.
This fossil is that of a dinosaurs' footprint, and that of a MAN, side by side. They were found on a hill pointing toward the mountains, or high ground, and had been made in mud.
(I guess an internet search would be in order here.)
A footprint of both a dinosaur, and a man, running in mud, uphill.
Sounds to me like the law of nature, "kill or be killed, eat, or be eaten" was totally ignored that day, as these two organisms were running uphill in a very heavy rain (Uphill mud?), trying to save themselves from drowning.
I would not be at all surprised if this fossil has gone mysteriously "missing".
Nor would I be at all surprised if the near intact carcass of a velociraptor, along with a FOUR CHAMBERED HEART (like mammals and birds), and not a THREE CHAMBERED HEART (like a lizard), has gone mysteriously missing, as well.
It is also interesting to note that dinosaur bones are typically found in sandstone, which indicates a large body of water once lay at that exact spot.
It is of further interest that flying dinosaurs, etc., are typically found in the upper strata of this same sandstone.
Couldn't pteradactyls and other flying creatures (not classified as dinosaurs) glide for forty days, and forty nights? Or did they finally tire, having fought the driving wind and rain, in addition to fatigue, to succumb to the monstrously huge, watery grave that had swallowed every living thing?
Well, ALMOST every living thing.
For more truly fascinating info on this subject, search, "Dr. Kent Hovind" (I went to his seminar), or, as he is more commonly known, "Dr. Dino".
The truth will set you free.
If you follow the events of the Bible, the earth is ALMOST only 7,000 years old. This would mean that, for a time, men and dinosaurs lived together on our same planet. This could not be allowed, however, as "early man" would not have been able to compete with dinosaurs for survival. Dinosaurs had to go. However, has anyone noticed that any current day sighting of a dinosaur (the most famous being "Nessie", in Loch Ness, Scotland), is that of an AQUATIC DINOSAUR? You may also be familiar with "Champ", the dinosaur which supposedly inhabits Lake Champlain, which borders Vermont, New York, and Quebec, Canada. Actually, I've seen video footage, taken by a very shaken man who was with his son on a tower overlooking Lake Champlain. It was that of a huge shadow, moving slowly across the lake, obviously a huge school of fish, I supposed at first. That was until I saw the plume of water spew from the nose end.
These dinosaurs might have easily survived a flood.




...not sure that's the same one I saw, but thanks for locating that!
what


If this were real and true, it begs the question, why are there no human bones found with dinosaur bones and vice versa?

Try this:
1) Take a handful of dry, autumn leaves.
2) Crush them in your hands, so there are some large pieces, on down to tiny particles.
3) Drop all this into a bucket of water, where the bits of dry leaves, of various sizes, can be clearly seen.
4) Take a broomstick, and stir vigorously.
In my guess-timation, the smallest particles will gather in the center of the whirlpool you created.
The larger/largest particles will spin on the outside.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
a. When the entire earth flooded, with so much geographical obstruction (mountains and such), countless whirlpools were formed as the water rose, and humans, animals, and dinosaurs began to drown.
b. As in the above experiment, in these whirlpools (gigantic in size) the larger "pieces" (dinosaurs) spun within the furthest reaches of the whirlpools. The smaller "pieces" (humans), were immediately drawn into the center of the whirlpool, just as in our experiment, where again, the outcome is based upon my educated guess.
c. Keeping in mind that in my earlier post that flying dinosaurs are typically found in the upper strata of sandstone because, since they were flying, they were the last to succumb to the driving force of wind and an incredible amount of water falling to the earth at one time. And I mean a LOT of water.
(To cover even the tops of our tallest mountains, might this water-force, which fell for ONLY 40 days and nights, have actually CRUSHED humans and dinosaurs alike? What would happen to your body were you to go for a shower under the Niagra Falls? Just a theory, but seems credible...)
d. As humans would have been tiny, land roving animals, drawn to the center of these whirlpools, it seems human bones/corpses would finally be deposited at the root of the sandstone structures we have today.
Larger/largest bones/corpses would be on the outside, where wind and time eventually exposed enough of them for discovery by present day archeologists. Human remains from the flood might NEVER be seen so exposed.
To find these human bones, one would have to either flatten the top of a geographical sandstone structure to have a level place in which to work in many cases, and begin drilling A LOT of very deep holes, in the hopes of discovering even a single, human bone fragment. Another method might be to cut down the structure at the root like felling a tree, in order to get down low enough to search for these human bones, were they to be present. Or again, a mine could be dug at the base, in the hopes of running across a single, human bone fragment with a single mineshaft (doesn't seem likely).
Very, very expensive, and likely only conducted by those who take no stock in "The Great Flood", or "Noahs' Ark", let alone the Bible, anyway. Those WITH FAITH would rather spend all that money in feeding the poor.
Great flood = enormous geographical sandstone structures...think "The Painted Desert" in Arizona.
God expects us to exercise FAITH. Were we to find these human bone deposits too early in history, just how much faith would we need anymore? As history barrels along, we may find faith will be MORE NECESSARY THAN EVER, NOT LESS. Would this sudden discovery of human bone fragments in the roots of large sandstone structures ironically DENY US OF THE FAITH WHICH WOULD SAVE US?
The Painted Desert awaits.
Start digging.
Let us know what you find.
Me? I'd much rather continue to stay cool (hot in the desert), not get my clothes dirty, and continue to develop my FAITH.



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Fri 07/31/09 01:13 PM






Where the he** did you get a picture of my neighbor with his dog???
surprised If your neighbor looks like that,then he might be a draconiansurprised
rofl rofl rofl rofl

Modela is a super-hero who flies the skies of the world...
...pictured in this thread in her disguise.

MirrorMirror's photo
Fri 07/31/09 02:07 PM







Where the he** did you get a picture of my neighbor with his dog???
surprised If your neighbor looks like that,then he might be a draconiansurprised
rofl rofl rofl rofl

Modela is a super-hero who flies the skies of the world...
...pictured in this thread in her disguise.
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Sat 08/01/09 12:47 AM





There is a very famous fossilized footprint, found in Montana, I believe (a place which is now a National Park), suggesting what happened to dinosaurs.
This fossil is that of a dinosaurs' footprint, and that of a MAN, side by side. They were found on a hill pointing toward the mountains, or high ground, and had been made in mud.
(I guess an internet search would be in order here.)
A footprint of both a dinosaur, and a man, running in mud, uphill.
Sounds to me like the law of nature, "kill or be killed, eat, or be eaten" was totally ignored that day, as these two organisms were running uphill in a very heavy rain (Uphill mud?), trying to save themselves from drowning.
I would not be at all surprised if this fossil has gone mysteriously "missing".
Nor would I be at all surprised if the near intact carcass of a velociraptor, along with a FOUR CHAMBERED HEART (like mammals and birds), and not a THREE CHAMBERED HEART (like a lizard), has gone mysteriously missing, as well.
It is also interesting to note that dinosaur bones are typically found in sandstone, which indicates a large body of water once lay at that exact spot.
It is of further interest that flying dinosaurs, etc., are typically found in the upper strata of this same sandstone.
Couldn't pteradactyls and other flying creatures (not classified as dinosaurs) glide for forty days, and forty nights? Or did they finally tire, having fought the driving wind and rain, in addition to fatigue, to succumb to the monstrously huge, watery grave that had swallowed every living thing?
Well, ALMOST every living thing.
For more truly fascinating info on this subject, search, "Dr. Kent Hovind" (I went to his seminar), or, as he is more commonly known, "Dr. Dino".
The truth will set you free.
If you follow the events of the Bible, the earth is ALMOST only 7,000 years old. This would mean that, for a time, men and dinosaurs lived together on our same planet. This could not be allowed, however, as "early man" would not have been able to compete with dinosaurs for survival. Dinosaurs had to go. However, has anyone noticed that any current day sighting of a dinosaur (the most famous being "Nessie", in Loch Ness, Scotland), is that of an AQUATIC DINOSAUR? You may also be familiar with "Champ", the dinosaur which supposedly inhabits Lake Champlain, which borders Vermont, New York, and Quebec, Canada. Actually, I've seen video footage, taken by a very shaken man who was with his son on a tower overlooking Lake Champlain. It was that of a huge shadow, moving slowly across the lake, obviously a huge school of fish, I supposed at first. That was until I saw the plume of water spew from the nose end.
These dinosaurs might have easily survived a flood.




...not sure that's the same one I saw, but thanks for locating that!
what


If this were real and true, it begs the question, why are there no human bones found with dinosaur bones and vice versa?

Try this:
1) Take a handful of dry, autumn leaves.
2) Crush them in your hands, so there are some large pieces, on down to tiny particles.
3) Drop all this into a bucket of water, where the bits of dry leaves, of various sizes, can be clearly seen.
4) Take a broomstick, and stir vigorously.
In my guess-timation, the smallest particles will gather in the center of the whirlpool you created.
The larger/largest particles will spin on the outside.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
a. When the entire earth flooded, with so much geographical obstruction (mountains and such), countless whirlpools were formed as the water rose, and humans, animals, and dinosaurs began to drown.
b. As in the above experiment, in these whirlpools (gigantic in size) the larger "pieces" (dinosaurs) spun within the furthest reaches of the whirlpools. The smaller "pieces" (humans), were immediately drawn into the center of the whirlpool, just as in our experiment, where again, the outcome is based upon my educated guess.
c. Keeping in mind that in my earlier post that flying dinosaurs are typically found in the upper strata of sandstone because, since they were flying, they were the last to succumb to the driving force of wind and an incredible amount of water falling to the earth at one time. And I mean a LOT of water.
(To cover even the tops of our tallest mountains, might this water-force, which fell for ONLY 40 days and nights, have actually CRUSHED humans and dinosaurs alike? What would happen to your body were you to go for a shower under the Niagra Falls? Just a theory, but seems credible...)
d. As humans would have been tiny, land roving animals, drawn to the center of these whirlpools, it seems human bones/corpses would finally be deposited at the root of the sandstone structures we have today.
Larger/largest bones/corpses would be on the outside, where wind and time eventually exposed enough of them for discovery by present day archeologists. Human remains from the flood might NEVER be seen so exposed.
To find these human bones, one would have to either flatten the top of a geographical sandstone structure to have a level place in which to work in many cases, and begin drilling A LOT of very deep holes, in the hopes of discovering even a single, human bone fragment. Another method might be to cut down the structure at the root like felling a tree, in order to get down low enough to search for these human bones, were they to be present. Or again, a mine could be dug at the base, in the hopes of running across a single, human bone fragment with a single mineshaft (doesn't seem likely).
Very, very expensive, and likely only conducted by those who take no stock in "The Great Flood", or "Noahs' Ark", let alone the Bible, anyway. Those WITH FAITH would rather spend all that money in feeding the poor.
Great flood = enormous geographical sandstone structures...think "The Painted Desert" in Arizona.
God expects us to exercise FAITH. Were we to find these human bone deposits too early in history, just how much faith would we need anymore? As history barrels along, we may find faith will be MORE NECESSARY THAN EVER, NOT LESS. Would this sudden discovery of human bone fragments in the roots of large sandstone structures ironically DENY US OF THE FAITH WHICH WOULD SAVE US?
The Painted Desert awaits.
Start digging.
Let us know what you find.
Me? I'd much rather continue to stay cool (hot in the desert), not get my clothes dirty, and continue to develop my FAITH.






Are you serious? I mean really..are you serious? You can't be serious. That "theory" has got so many holes in it, it makes swiss cheese look like a brick wall. I was going to point out all the holes, but then I thought "he can't be serious. it's got to be a joke reply. No one could be that uninformed/uneducated in the basics of science and be over the age of 12....could they?"
Please tell me you're kidding around.

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Sat 08/01/09 08:05 PM
Edited by trublu4u on Sat 08/01/09 09:03 PM






There is a very famous fossilized footprint, found in Montana, I believe (a place which is now a National Park), suggesting what happened to dinosaurs.
This fossil is that of a dinosaurs' footprint, and that of a MAN, side by side. They were found on a hill pointing toward the mountains, or high ground, and had been made in mud.
(I guess an internet search would be in order here.)
A footprint of both a dinosaur, and a man, running in mud, uphill.
Sounds to me like the law of nature, "kill or be killed, eat, or be eaten" was totally ignored that day, as these two organisms were running uphill in a very heavy rain (Uphill mud?), trying to save themselves from drowning.
I would not be at all surprised if this fossil has gone mysteriously "missing".
Nor would I be at all surprised if the near intact carcass of a velociraptor, along with a FOUR CHAMBERED HEART (like mammals and birds), and not a THREE CHAMBERED HEART (like a lizard), has gone mysteriously missing, as well.
It is also interesting to note that dinosaur bones are typically found in sandstone, which indicates a large body of water once lay at that exact spot.
It is of further interest that flying dinosaurs, etc., are typically found in the upper strata of this same sandstone.
Couldn't pteradactyls and other flying creatures (not classified as dinosaurs) glide for forty days, and forty nights? Or did they finally tire, having fought the driving wind and rain, in addition to fatigue, to succumb to the monstrously huge, watery grave that had swallowed every living thing?
Well, ALMOST every living thing.
For more truly fascinating info on this subject, search, "Dr. Kent Hovind" (I went to his seminar), or, as he is more commonly known, "Dr. Dino".
The truth will set you free.
If you follow the events of the Bible, the earth is ALMOST only 7,000 years old. This would mean that, for a time, men and dinosaurs lived together on our same planet. This could not be allowed, however, as "early man" would not have been able to compete with dinosaurs for survival. Dinosaurs had to go. However, has anyone noticed that any current day sighting of a dinosaur (the most famous being "Nessie", in Loch Ness, Scotland), is that of an AQUATIC DINOSAUR? You may also be familiar with "Champ", the dinosaur which supposedly inhabits Lake Champlain, which borders Vermont, New York, and Quebec, Canada. Actually, I've seen video footage, taken by a very shaken man who was with his son on a tower overlooking Lake Champlain. It was that of a huge shadow, moving slowly across the lake, obviously a huge school of fish, I supposed at first. That was until I saw the plume of water spew from the nose end.
These dinosaurs might have easily survived a flood.




...not sure that's the same one I saw, but thanks for locating that!
what


If this were real and true, it begs the question, why are there no human bones found with dinosaur bones and vice versa?

Try this:
1) Take a handful of dry, autumn leaves.
2) Crush them in your hands, so there are some large pieces, on down to tiny particles.
3) Drop all this into a bucket of water, where the bits of dry leaves, of various sizes, can be clearly seen.
4) Take a broomstick, and stir vigorously.
In my guess-timation, the smallest particles will gather in the center of the whirlpool you created.
The larger/largest particles will spin on the outside.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
a. When the entire earth flooded, with so much geographical obstruction (mountains and such), countless whirlpools were formed as the water rose, and humans, animals, and dinosaurs began to drown.
b. As in the above experiment, in these whirlpools (gigantic in size) the larger "pieces" (dinosaurs) spun within the furthest reaches of the whirlpools. The smaller "pieces" (humans), were immediately drawn into the center of the whirlpool, just as in our experiment, where again, the outcome is based upon my educated guess.
c. Keeping in mind that in my earlier post that flying dinosaurs are typically found in the upper strata of sandstone because, since they were flying, they were the last to succumb to the driving force of wind and an incredible amount of water falling to the earth at one time. And I mean a LOT of water.
(To cover even the tops of our tallest mountains, might this water-force, which fell for ONLY 40 days and nights, have actually CRUSHED humans and dinosaurs alike? What would happen to your body were you to go for a shower under the Niagra Falls? Just a theory, but seems credible...)
d. As humans would have been tiny, land roving animals, drawn to the center of these whirlpools, it seems human bones/corpses would finally be deposited at the root of the sandstone structures we have today.
Larger/largest bones/corpses would be on the outside, where wind and time eventually exposed enough of them for discovery by present day archeologists. Human remains from the flood might NEVER be seen so exposed.
To find these human bones, one would have to either flatten the top of a geographical sandstone structure to have a level place in which to work in many cases, and begin drilling A LOT of very deep holes, in the hopes of discovering even a single, human bone fragment. Another method might be to cut down the structure at the root like felling a tree, in order to get down low enough to search for these human bones, were they to be present. Or again, a mine could be dug at the base, in the hopes of running across a single, human bone fragment with a single mineshaft (doesn't seem likely).
Very, very expensive, and likely only conducted by those who take no stock in "The Great Flood", or "Noahs' Ark", let alone the Bible, anyway. Those WITH FAITH would rather spend all that money in feeding the poor.
Great flood = enormous geographical sandstone structures...think "The Painted Desert" in Arizona.
God expects us to exercise FAITH. Were we to find these human bone deposits too early in history, just how much faith would we need anymore? As history barrels along, we may find faith will be MORE NECESSARY THAN EVER, NOT LESS. Would this sudden discovery of human bone fragments in the roots of large sandstone structures ironically DENY US OF THE FAITH WHICH WOULD SAVE US?
The Painted Desert awaits.
Start digging.
Let us know what you find.
Me? I'd much rather continue to stay cool (hot in the desert), not get my clothes dirty, and continue to develop my FAITH.






Are you serious? I mean really..are you serious? You can't be serious. That "theory" has got so many holes in it, it makes swiss cheese look like a brick wall. I was going to point out all the holes, but then I thought "he can't be serious. it's got to be a joke reply. No one could be that uninformed/uneducated in the basics of science and be over the age of 12....could they?"
Please tell me you're kidding around.

No cop-outs for you, my friend ("I was going to point out all the holes...").
List the "holes", please. Teach me the error of my ways, oh Wise One! I am open to your tutelage.
Oh, and how did the above experiment go? I'm sure you went right to work on it. No dry, autumn leaves were available, you say? Try compost.
In addition, the population was significantly smaller then, therefore:
1) ...very few carcasses to be found in a whopping humongous body of water...veritable "needles in haystacks".
2) ...once all that water receded, and mounds of sediment settled upon these carcasses, under which of the resulting topographical sandstone structures, scattered the world over, would one look under first? No one is going to do that.
3) Is there any way to determine in which direction such a crushing torrent of downward pouring water would eventually flow, depositing evidence of its' tragic results? It may be there where you would find your human bones.
4) Though, admittedly, I haven't actually performed the above experiment myself, I'd be curious as to how sand would be distributed in the bottom of that bucket, once the water became still. Would it be thickest in the center of the bottom of the bucket? Seems likely...
5) I've seen tornadoes on television (can these be compared to the effects of a whirlpool?), and it did seem like smaller particles whirled in the center, while larger objects (...a van, etc.), whirled around on the outside.
No, faith is required to believe in such things as Noahs' Ark and The Great Flood (thank
God!).
The last I heard, the battle still rages over the authenticity of three strange, boat-like formations, which rest at 6,300 feet above sea level in Eastern Turkey, about 12–15 miles (15–24 kilometres) from the summit of Greater Mount Ararat.

I don't expect to "sell" you on any of this, actually. Nor do I care for the pleasure of saying, "See! I told you so!" Also, relax!
No one who isn't the least bit curious as to the existence of God, the validity of the Great Flood, etc., is going to read this admittedly gargantuan thread reply. You haven't even read to this point, have you!
Questions, questions...mysteries of our beginnings...
...and this is good for us! For as long as faith is needed to come to a conclusion upon these and the rest of the mysteries of our origins, there is still time and a way to find favor with God, and meet him in Heaven!
When those human bones are seen to protrude out of the walls of canyons and such, maybe it's time to evaluate your standing with God.
Or maybe, it is far too late...

trublu4u's photo
Sat 08/01/09 09:09 PM








Where the he** did you get a picture of my neighbor with his dog???
surprised If your neighbor looks like that,then he might be a draconiansurprised
rofl rofl rofl rofl

Modela is a super-hero who flies the skies of the world...
...pictured in this thread in her disguise.
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Mirror...you are both intriguing (with your spooky profile pic) and wicked!
Modela would more likely "evolve" as a pairing between a very attractive human female, and a sleek jungle cat!
I've got catnip!
love flowerforyou love flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 08/01/09 09:22 PM









Where the he** did you get a picture of my neighbor with his dog???
surprised If your neighbor looks like that,then he might be a draconiansurprised
rofl rofl rofl rofl

Modela is a super-hero who flies the skies of the world...
...pictured in this thread in her disguise.
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Mirror...you are both intriguing (with your spooky profile pic) and wicked!
Modela would more likely "evolve" as a pairing between a very attractive human female, and a sleek jungle cat!
I've got catnip!
love flowerforyou love flowerforyou
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Totage's photo
Sat 08/01/09 09:30 PM
What happened was hamburgers used to be made from the hamasarus, then America was developed, eventually the hamasarus went exticnt due to over hunting, then other species of dinosaurs were used to make hamburgers, eventually leading to the extinction of every dinosaurs species. So, it was over hunting that caused the dinosaurs to become extinct.

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Sat 08/01/09 10:23 PM


It looked pretty plain to me.
Sounds like the conclusion fit your preconceived ideas. Good thing scientists do not do that, you should examine the facts independent of any conclusions and be willing to accept a conclusion if it fits all the facts even if you do not like it.

If Kent Hovind is your idea of an educator then I completely understand your confusion regarding science.




Let's not all question the Almighty Science. Please!! Yes, scientist claim they cling to the scientific method but many do not use the method consistently, only when it suits them. Have you examined the photos or evidence that trublu mentions in question yourself? It appears that you are being dismissive. Like many scientist's you don't welcome honest dialog about creation & how men & dinosaurs could co-exist.

If the scientific community were honest they would tell you that most have abandoned Darwin's Theory. It doesn't hold water for the simple fact that the mythical transition creature doesn't exist. How many have been looking for it & not found it. Plus, if you support D-T then you are a racist. He was & he & others in the "educated classes" used the theory to justify slavery, because blacks were lower on the evolutionary ladder & therefore not really human.

Let's look at some of science's gaffs regarding the beginnings of all things shall we?

Do you forget that it wasn't that long ago that scientist believed that dinosaurs were reptiles. Somebody came along & decided to reexamine the evidence & found that many of the skulls of said D's were curiously very similar to those of birds, because of the numerous airway passages. They postulated that given the size of the head of a t-rex for example these air holes were needed to keep the weight of the skull at a minimum, because it's neck muscles would have been insufficient to hold-up all the weight of a solid skull. And with the lightening holes come the revelation that they would have been warm blooded not cold as originally thought. This was addressed in Jurassic Park the book & movie. Gee, they had to change their collective minds, although most were reluctant to.

A natural history museum in France was outed for "massaging" the skeletal remains of a supposed "Cro-Magnum" site. The scientist could not reconcile the differences between the adult skulls & the child skulls found at the site. What mystified the scientists was that the child skulls were exactly like as modern human child, but the adults had these much larger skulls with the classic pronounced brows. If you allow humans to mature to a very old age, our skulls become much larger with developed pronounced brows. Look at early photos of past movie stars & then look at them in the latter stages of their life. Quite a difference. you can see that with family photos. Shoot look at my late teens pic & my recent pic. My head is larger Imagine what it was like if you lived to be 300-500 yrs old? So the museum came under scrutiny for manipulating the child skulls to match the adults. Good science there.

Then there's the Piltdown Man hoax. 1 of many foisted upon the populace. Checkout this link for the synopsis.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Piltdown_Man/

The bottom line is the scientific community knows that it has a weak evidentiary position & therefore doesn't welcome open dialog for fear of being discovered for clinging to not much more than airliner contrails.

And don't get me started on carbon dating. This scientific method is famous for being wildly inaccurate. Like the time they carbon dated a live tree of about 35-50 yrs old & the test said it was in the 100's of yrs old. Here's another link for you to examine.

http://www.varchive.org/ce/c14.htm

And lastly as to whether the Bible can be trusted as a source of how all of this came to be, consider this. When NASA was 1st plotting their early long distance missions, they kept running into a calculation problem. According to their results the planets & related celestial bodies should have been in such & such positions. But they weren't. A Christian on the team shared the time in an old testament story when God made time standstill for 24 hours. They plugged in the new info & surprisingly it brought them much closer. Then he remembered about another time when God made time standstill for 12 hours. Having accounted for that, they were now spot on. How do you account for that?

MirrorMirror's photo
Sat 08/01/09 11:30 PM

What happened was hamburgers used to be made from the hamasarus, then America was developed, eventually the hamasarus went exticnt due to over hunting, then other species of dinosaurs were used to make hamburgers, eventually leading to the extinction of every dinosaurs species. So, it was over hunting that caused the dinosaurs to become extinct.
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

trublu4u's photo
Sun 08/02/09 06:18 AM



It looked pretty plain to me.
Sounds like the conclusion fit your preconceived ideas. Good thing scientists do not do that, you should examine the facts independent of any conclusions and be willing to accept a conclusion if it fits all the facts even if you do not like it.

If Kent Hovind is your idea of an educator then I completely understand your confusion regarding science.




Let's not all question the Almighty Science. Please!! Yes, scientist claim they cling to the scientific method but many do not use the method consistently, only when it suits them. Have you examined the photos or evidence that trublu mentions in question yourself? It appears that you are being dismissive. Like many scientist's you don't welcome honest dialog about creation & how men & dinosaurs could co-exist.

If the scientific community were honest they would tell you that most have abandoned Darwin's Theory. It doesn't hold water for the simple fact that the mythical transition creature doesn't exist. How many have been looking for it & not found it. Plus, if you support D-T then you are a racist. He was & he & others in the "educated classes" used the theory to justify slavery, because blacks were lower on the evolutionary ladder & therefore not really human.

Let's look at some of science's gaffs regarding the beginnings of all things shall we?

Do you forget that it wasn't that long ago that scientist believed that dinosaurs were reptiles. Somebody came along & decided to reexamine the evidence & found that many of the skulls of said D's were curiously very similar to those of birds, because of the numerous airway passages. They postulated that given the size of the head of a t-rex for example these air holes were needed to keep the weight of the skull at a minimum, because it's neck muscles would have been insufficient to hold-up all the weight of a solid skull. And with the lightening holes come the revelation that they would have been warm blooded not cold as originally thought. This was addressed in Jurassic Park the book & movie. Gee, they had to change their collective minds, although most were reluctant to.

A natural history museum in France was outed for "massaging" the skeletal remains of a supposed "Cro-Magnum" site. The scientist could not reconcile the differences between the adult skulls & the child skulls found at the site. What mystified the scientists was that the child skulls were exactly like as modern human child, but the adults had these much larger skulls with the classic pronounced brows. If you allow humans to mature to a very old age, our skulls become much larger with developed pronounced brows. Look at early photos of past movie stars & then look at them in the latter stages of their life. Quite a difference. you can see that with family photos. Shoot look at my late teens pic & my recent pic. My head is larger Imagine what it was like if you lived to be 300-500 yrs old? So the museum came under scrutiny for manipulating the child skulls to match the adults. Good science there.

Then there's the Piltdown Man hoax. 1 of many foisted upon the populace. Checkout this link for the synopsis.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Piltdown_Man/

The bottom line is the scientific community knows that it has a weak evidentiary position & therefore doesn't welcome open dialog for fear of being discovered for clinging to not much more than airliner contrails.

And don't get me started on carbon dating. This scientific method is famous for being wildly inaccurate. Like the time they carbon dated a live tree of about 35-50 yrs old & the test said it was in the 100's of yrs old. Here's another link for you to examine.

http://www.varchive.org/ce/c14.htm

And lastly as to whether the Bible can be trusted as a source of how all of this came to be, consider this. When NASA was 1st plotting their early long distance missions, they kept running into a calculation problem. According to their results the planets & related celestial bodies should have been in such & such positions. But they weren't. A Christian on the team shared the time in an old testament story when God made time standstill for 24 hours. They plugged in the new info & surprisingly it brought them much closer. Then he remembered about another time when God made time standstill for 12 hours. Having accounted for that, they were now spot on. How do you account for that?

SMACK-DOWN ON SCIENCE!
You are obviously very intelligent, sir, very well-read, refusing to be led by your nose by popular, scientific THEORY.
Scientific claims as to the "Big Bang Theory" do not hold water, as well.
Their claim that planets were formed when a massive gas cloud had spun around and around, randomly releasing much smaller spinning clouds which would become planets, is dashed by a simple, SCIENTIFIC fact.
Consider: were a merry-go-round full of kids to get out of control, spinning faster and faster, to the point where the kids began flying off the ride, they would be spinning in the same direction as the ride, correct?
Considering this, THEN WHY DO SOME OF OUR PLANETS SPIN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION?

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Sun 08/02/09 06:39 AM
I see that a lot of people believe in some really weird stuff

you're suppose to gather the facts and make a theory from them

not make a theory and then look for facts to support it

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Sun 08/02/09 06:46 AM



It looked pretty plain to me.
Sounds like the conclusion fit your preconceived ideas. Good thing scientists do not do that, you should examine the facts independent of any conclusions and be willing to accept a conclusion if it fits all the facts even if you do not like it.

If Kent Hovind is your idea of an educator then I completely understand your confusion regarding science.




Do you forget that it wasn't that long ago that scientist believed that dinosaurs were reptiles. Somebody came along & decided to reexamine the evidence & found that many of the skulls of said D's were curiously very similar to those of birds, because of the numerous airway passages. They postulated that given the size of the head of a t-rex for example these air holes were needed to keep the weight of the skull at a minimum, because it's neck muscles would have been insufficient to hold-up all the weight of a solid skull. And with the lightening holes come the revelation that they would have been warm blooded not cold as originally thought. This was addressed in Jurassic Park the book & movie. Gee, they had to change their collective minds, although most were reluctant to.


Might I add, tribefan73, to your most excellent reply, that it was widely reported some years ago that a dinosaur (velociraptor, me thinks...) was found with a near intact heart...a FOUR-CHAMBERED HEART, not three-chambered, as that of a reptile.


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Sun 08/02/09 06:48 AM
Edited by trublu4u on Sun 08/02/09 06:49 AM

I see that a lot of people believe in some really weird stuff

you're suppose to gather the facts and make a theory from them

not make a theory and then look for facts to support it

You're absolutely correct, sir. Science is often guilty of just that.

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Sun 08/02/09 08:25 AM


I see that a lot of people believe in some really weird stuff

you're suppose to gather the facts and make a theory from them

not make a theory and then look for facts to support it

You're absolutely correct, sir. Science is often guilty of just that.


So is the religious community, now what?

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Mon 08/03/09 01:40 AM

I see that a lot of people believe in some really weird stuff

you're suppose to gather the facts and make a theory from them

not make a theory and then look for facts to support it


Naaa. This is more fun.

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Mon 08/03/09 07:03 AM
What happened to the dinosaurs?

Well I know one is still hanging out with children.

He is big and purple and has a goofy laugh.laugh drinker

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Mon 08/03/09 07:07 AM
rumor has it, they all went out for a beer, and never came back!drinks