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lying is a crime we are all guilty of but anyone who lies under oath goes to jail. Why should the President be exempt? I dont believe that to be accurate. I believe perjury is an offense for which the presiding judge is not obligated to incarcerate and OFTEN doesnt. |
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Paula Jones had a lawsuit. Both Monica Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit was in question that he lied about. I stand corrected. Both females accusations and clintons response to them were in question. Still, very personal business that should have never been public or political folly,,, in this voters opinion. THANK YOU!!!  I don't have a lot of respect for cheaters regardless of who they are...but that is his wife's problem IMO. BUT Paula Jones' lawsuit was sexual harassment which was not consensual |
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you can tap dance around the semantics of it all you want. He broke the law
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he lied under oath in a deposition when a woman sued him for sexual harrassment. He was impeached for purjury AND obstruction of justice he used the power of the Presidency to circumvent justice in a civil case that was our business What woman sued him for sexual harrassment? Perjury and obstruction of justice about his damn sex life that was none of our business, only an idiot wouldn't see the wrong in that.  And yes there were alot of idiots around that time. People should have got smarter by now. Circumvention in a case about his sex life that was none of our business. We shouldn't have been there anyway. Paula Jones sued him for sexual harrassment and anytime a President uses his power to deny someone a fair trial it IS our business There is no proof he used his power to deny someone a fair trial. except for the impeachment of course The impeachment was for lying. Which he should not have had to do because we shouldn't have been in his sex life to begin with. My tax dollars were wasted on all of that for a bunch of idiots who needed to go take care of their wifes, girlfriends, male partners and stay the hell out of other people's sex lives. Our tax dollars are wasted every day on stupid crap. Idiots are the ones that don't see a president that had an affair as wrong. It's the idiots that don't see that a President is SUPPOSED to set an example for our Country, screwing another woman while he was married was DEAD WRONG. He got what he deserved.  I can't keep quiet any longer. Peledac usually says it all for me but I have to jump in here. How liberal can some of you be?? How about if your pastor/priest/minister/rabbi did the same thing with the organist(no pun intended, well maybe)? Are you going to say, "It's his business. We all lie about our sex lives." By the way, why would someone lie about their sex lives unless they are doing something with someone they shouldn't? When I'm paying taxes and relying on my president to run this country I want to feel assured that he isn't dangling his junk under the Oval Office desk for some nit-wit intern to get rug burns on her knees while servicing him. |
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Judging by the expectations of fellow minglers, perhaps we should start running monks and pastors as presidents instead..... Higher Moral standards? hmmmmmm personally...I don't care who he sleeps with...That is between him and his wife...but when a sexual lawsuit comes into play at any time...then there is a problem for me. because it is an unwanted harassment...not consential Perjury: A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth. I agree that harassment is a serious crime. I remember at the time though, that paula didnt have any way to prove her accusation and did not come across as anymore than a woman scorned to me,,,,. Women can lie and she came across, to me, as one who does so for publicity and possibly a book deal. I will admit though that I have not actually read the grand jury transcrips to know exactly what Clinton said that was deemed disnonest or obstructive, so we are all probably giving a bit of biased opinions on the matter. All in all, I think it was wasted time and money on an issue that HALF those who impeached him were guilty of themself along with over HALF the men in this country. The questions shouldnt have been asked, he shouldnt have lied, and we shouldnt have ended up looking like preposterous hypocrites.....but we live and learn. |
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I don't know what really happened between him and Paula Jones (not sure what happened with the lawsuit) but that is what courts are for and perjury is serious
She could have been lying through her teeth, but Clinton was the one caught lying |
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Judging by the expectations of fellow minglers, perhaps we should start running monks and pastors as presidents instead..... Higher Moral standards? hmmmmmm personally...I don't care who he sleeps with...That is between him and his wife...but when a sexual lawsuit comes into play at any time...then there is a problem for me. because it is an unwanted harassment...not consential Perjury: A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth. I agree that harassment is a serious crime. I remember at the time though, that paula didnt have any way to prove her accusation and did not come across as anymore than a woman scorned to me,,,,. Women can lie and she came across, to me, as one who does so for publicity and possibly a book deal. I will admit though that I have not actually read the grand jury transcrips to know exactly what Clinton said that was deemed disnonest or obstructive, so we are all probably giving a bit of biased opinions on the matter. All in all, I think it was wasted time and money on an issue that HALF those who impeached him were guilty of themself along with over HALF the men in this country. The questions shouldnt have been asked, he shouldnt have lied, and we shouldnt have ended up looking like preposterous hypocrites.....but we live and learn. Let's take the "we" out of this. "We" can have kinky sex lives as long as we aren't president of the United States. So, Clintom lied because he was asked a question? I'm aghast. |
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I can't keep quiet any longer. Peledac usually says it all for me but I have to jump in here. How liberal can some of you be?? How about if your pastor/priest/minister/rabbi did the same thing with the organist(no pun intended, well maybe)? Are you going to say, "It's his business. We all lie about our sex lives." By the way, why would someone lie about their sex lives unless they are doing something with someone they shouldn't? When I'm paying taxes and relying on my president to run this country I want to feel assured that he isn't dangling his junk under the Oval Office desk for some nit-wit intern to get rug burns on her knees while servicing him.
1. My pastor is a MORAL guide of sorts and morals are a significant portion of his purpose as pastor, quite different than the purpose of Politicians in their posts. 2.People lie about sex for many reasons, to keep it hidden from their partner, to keep it hidden from the opinion of the public, to protect the person they are having sex with....etc... How embarassing it might be for a first family who may be having an open relationship to have to be forced to have that information on the front page....? ITs really noones business in a position like politician. VERY VERY different than the position of Pastor. 3.I believe men have been running things and being successful regardless of their sexual lives for CENTURIES, I am one who truly doesnt equate ones sex life with their ability to do their job successfully. |
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http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/clinton.htm
A judge dismissed the case against Paula Jones before the impeachment stuff started and they still included this in his impeachment. I told you it was a circus showing how stupid people in this country can be when they taste blood. The man should have never had to lie about his sex life to the public BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT IT. |
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I am very happy for the Armenians that they have survived those hard times in war to create a free country. I hope their country will strive and experience great times in the future.
I hope you Americans can recognize that they are chanting your countries name as a thank you tribute in saving endless lives and providing a chance to live in peace again. War is horrible and genocide is worse! If you have not experienced it then you can only imagine what it could be like. If you have experienced it then you will know exactly the consequences of it and understand it shouldn't be tolerated anywhere in the world! May the Armenian children grow up to know their history and learn to not repeat such atrocities (that were done to them) that still are practiced in certain parts of the world. May there be peace and may we practice it each and everyday. |
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he lied under oath in a deposition when a woman sued him for sexual harrassment. He was impeached for purjury AND obstruction of justice he used the power of the Presidency to circumvent justice in a civil case that was our business What woman sued him for sexual harrassment? Perjury and obstruction of justice about his damn sex life that was none of our business, only an idiot wouldn't see the wrong in that. And yes there were alot of idiots around that time. People should have got smarter by now. Circumvention in a case about his sex life that was none of our business. We shouldn't have been there anyway. Paula Jones sued him for sexual harrassment and anytime a President uses his power to deny someone a fair trial it IS our business There is no proof he used his power to deny someone a fair trial. except for the impeachment of course The impeachment was for lying. Which he should not have had to do because we shouldn't have been in his sex life to begin with. My tax dollars were wasted on all of that for a bunch of idiots who needed to go take care of their wifes, girlfriends, male partners and stay the hell out of other people's sex lives. Our tax dollars are wasted every day on stupid crap. Idiots are the ones that don't see a president that had an affair as wrong. It's the idiots that don't see that a President is SUPPOSED to set an example for our Country, screwing another woman while he was married was DEAD WRONG. He got what he deserved. I can't keep quiet any longer. Peledac usually says it all for me but I have to jump in here. How liberal can some of you be?? How about if your pastor/priest/minister/rabbi did the same thing with the organist(no pun intended, well maybe)? Are you going to say, "It's his business. We all lie about our sex lives." By the way, why would someone lie about their sex lives unless they are doing something with someone they shouldn't? When I'm paying taxes and relying on my president to run this country I want to feel assured that he isn't dangling his junk under the Oval Office desk for some nit-wit intern to get rug burns on her knees while servicing him. People have sex and it isn't anyones business as long as they are of age and mental consent. If they are married it is the wife's business only. We need to keep our noses out of others Busy bodies are the worst. Mind your business. |
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I can't keep quiet any longer. Peledac usually says it all for me but I have to jump in here. How liberal can some of you be?? How about if your pastor/priest/minister/rabbi did the same thing with the organist(no pun intended, well maybe)? Are you going to say, "It's his business. We all lie about our sex lives." By the way, why would someone lie about their sex lives unless they are doing something with someone they shouldn't? When I'm paying taxes and relying on my president to run this country I want to feel assured that he isn't dangling his junk under the Oval Office desk for some nit-wit intern to get rug burns on her knees while servicing him. 1. My pastor is a MORAL guide of sorts and morals are a significant portion of his purpose as pastor, quite different than the purpose of Politicians in their posts. 2.People lie about sex for many reasons, to keep it hidden from their partner, to keep it hidden from the opinion of the public, to protect the person they are having sex with....etc... How embarassing it might be for a first family who may be having an open relationship to have to be forced to have that information on the front page....? ITs really noones business in a position like politician. VERY VERY different than the position of Pastor. 3.I believe men have been running things and being successful regardless of their sexual lives for CENTURIES, I am one who truly doesnt equate ones sex life with their ability to do their job successfully. Like I said, {ref:#2}people lie about their sex lives if they are having sex with someone they shouldn't be having sex with. I disagree with you whole-heartedly on the pastor/president moral issue. {ref:#3} This is kind of a good-ol'-boys attitude. |
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Judging by the expectations of fellow minglers, perhaps we should start running monks and pastors as presidents instead..... Higher Moral standards? hmmmmmm personally...I don't care who he sleeps with...That is between him and his wife...but when a sexual lawsuit comes into play at any time...then there is a problem for me. because it is an unwanted harassment...not consential Perjury: A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth. I agree that harassment is a serious crime. I remember at the time though, that paula didnt have any way to prove her accusation and did not come across as anymore than a woman scorned to me,,,,. Women can lie and she came across, to me, as one who does so for publicity and possibly a book deal. I will admit though that I have not actually read the grand jury transcrips to know exactly what Clinton said that was deemed disnonest or obstructive, so we are all probably giving a bit of biased opinions on the matter. All in all, I think it was wasted time and money on an issue that HALF those who impeached him were guilty of themself along with over HALF the men in this country. The questions shouldnt have been asked, he shouldnt have lied, and we shouldnt have ended up looking like preposterous hypocrites.....but we live and learn. Let's take the "we" out of this. "We" can have kinky sex lives as long as we aren't president of the United States. So, Clintom lied because he was asked a question? I'm aghast. Lets be accurate here. Clinton did not lie because he was asked a question. He lied about the question he was asked. It was a very personal and embarassing question and it was illegal for him to lie about it. His sex life was no more kinky than half the men in this country. It was adulterous , and, in my opinion, consentual. What if any of us were on that pedastal? Having and living up to great expectation in our job and then we are asked under oath about some embarassing part of our life...? that has nothing to do with our job performance or accomplishments... What if we were asked about our innermost thoughts, whether we hated this group or the other and found to be less than honest in our answer? Would it be ANYTHING like reasonable that such a response should come from the offense of lying? I feel it was ridiculous. I feel he had the choice to tell the truth and should have but I certainly empathize with why he may not have and dont feel the level of persecution fit the crime. |
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Judging by the expectations of fellow minglers, perhaps we should start running monks and pastors as presidents instead..... Higher Moral standards? hmmmmmm personally...I don't care who he sleeps with...That is between him and his wife...but when a sexual lawsuit comes into play at any time...then there is a problem for me. because it is an unwanted harassment...not consential Perjury: A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth. I agree that harassment is a serious crime. I remember at the time though, that paula didnt have any way to prove her accusation and did not come across as anymore than a woman scorned to me,,,,. Women can lie and she came across, to me, as one who does so for publicity and possibly a book deal. I will admit though that I have not actually read the grand jury transcrips to know exactly what Clinton said that was deemed disnonest or obstructive, so we are all probably giving a bit of biased opinions on the matter. All in all, I think it was wasted time and money on an issue that HALF those who impeached him were guilty of themself along with over HALF the men in this country. The questions shouldnt have been asked, he shouldnt have lied, and we shouldnt have ended up looking like preposterous hypocrites.....but we live and learn. Let's take the "we" out of this. "We" can have kinky sex lives as long as we aren't president of the United States. So, Clintom lied because he was asked a question? I'm aghast. Pres gets to be as kinky as he wants as long as it is of age and consent and he is able to do his job while he is getting it. |
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ok...this is my last post (for awhile...sister needs help)
But...lying to drinking buddies, family, whatever is different than lying in court under oath |
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he lied under oath in a deposition when a woman sued him for sexual harrassment. He was impeached for purjury AND obstruction of justice he used the power of the Presidency to circumvent justice in a civil case that was our business What woman sued him for sexual harrassment? Perjury and obstruction of justice about his damn sex life that was none of our business, only an idiot wouldn't see the wrong in that. And yes there were alot of idiots around that time. People should have got smarter by now. Circumvention in a case about his sex life that was none of our business. We shouldn't have been there anyway. Paula Jones sued him for sexual harrassment and anytime a President uses his power to deny someone a fair trial it IS our business There is no proof he used his power to deny someone a fair trial. except for the impeachment of course The impeachment was for lying. Which he should not have had to do because we shouldn't have been in his sex life to begin with. My tax dollars were wasted on all of that for a bunch of idiots who needed to go take care of their wifes, girlfriends, male partners and stay the hell out of other people's sex lives. Our tax dollars are wasted every day on stupid crap. Idiots are the ones that don't see a president that had an affair as wrong. It's the idiots that don't see that a President is SUPPOSED to set an example for our Country, screwing another woman while he was married was DEAD WRONG. He got what he deserved. He was dead wrong, I agree. That made him a bad husband not a bad president. The country didnt get what it deserved by placing the funds and time on that investigation rather than on things actually affecting americans. what he did was to break the law some people would excuse that just because he is aligned with their partisan preference but he wasn't impeached for being a bad or adulterous husband he was impeached for breaking the law the law applies to everyone not just people you don't like Lying is crime we are all guilty of. Lying about our sex lives is really one we are all guilty of. How can we hold the man to standards we do apply to ourselves? We shouldn't have been making the man lie to us about his sex life. Dosn't have anything to do with partisanship. I do love the bumper sticker though WHEN CLINTON LIED NOONE DIED!!! Oh I'm sure you do like that sticker and when I see that and "I miss Bill", I laugh as I drive by them and think "moron".  Yes, lying is a crime we are all guilty of, but you seem to miss the biggest point of all. HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WHO IS SUPPOSED TO HOLD HIMSELF TO HIGHER STANDARDS AND SET AN EXAMPLE. HE SET A LOUSY EXAMPLE AND IT IS NOT JUST US, HELL THEY IMPEACHED THE BASTARD. Best thing they ever did Not true a waste of time and money for nothing. They knew they were wrong that is why they left him in office. Sorry to burst your bubble but the only one that did something wrong was Clinton and his sex mates. |
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Judging by the expectations of fellow minglers, perhaps we should start running monks and pastors as presidents instead..... Higher Moral standards? hmmmmmm personally...I don't care who he sleeps with...That is between him and his wife...but when a sexual lawsuit comes into play at any time...then there is a problem for me. because it is an unwanted harassment...not consential Perjury: A crime that occurs when an individual willfully makes a false statement during a judicial proceeding, after he or she has taken an oath to speak the truth. I agree that harassment is a serious crime. I remember at the time though, that paula didnt have any way to prove her accusation and did not come across as anymore than a woman scorned to me,,,,. Women can lie and she came across, to me, as one who does so for publicity and possibly a book deal. I will admit though that I have not actually read the grand jury transcrips to know exactly what Clinton said that was deemed disnonest or obstructive, so we are all probably giving a bit of biased opinions on the matter. All in all, I think it was wasted time and money on an issue that HALF those who impeached him were guilty of themself along with over HALF the men in this country. The questions shouldnt have been asked, he shouldnt have lied, and we shouldnt have ended up looking like preposterous hypocrites.....but we live and learn. Let's take the "we" out of this. "We" can have kinky sex lives as long as we aren't president of the United States. So, Clintom lied because he was asked a question? I'm aghast. Pres gets to be as kinky as he wants as long as it is of age and consent and he is able to do his job while he is getting it. Is that fact or opinion? Sometimes when people are losing a debate they go for the juggler, "Mind your business!" "Pres can do what he wants." |
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Like I said, {ref:#2}people lie about their sex lives if they are having sex with someone they shouldn't be having sex with.
I disagree with you whole-heartedly on the pastor/president moral issue. {ref:#3} This is kind of a good-ol'-boys attitude People dont lie JUST because they shouldnt be doing it but also because fear of circumstances from others who think they shouldnt be doing it. Many interracial couples kept their relationships secret because or the potential backlash, not because they believed they were doing something wrong. We can agree to disagree about holding a politician to the same standard as a pastor but I dont believe my pastor would condone sending innocent kids to wars to kill each other like presidents are often called upon to condone. Different jobs, different standards. Its not good ole boys to state the truth. Perhaps I should have said people instead of men. But people for centuries have chosen all types of sexual lives and still been able to lead and guide and be successful in their positions and careers. Sex lives are personal and separate from work ( at least I hope they are). |
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he lied under oath in a deposition when a woman sued him for sexual harrassment. He was impeached for purjury AND obstruction of justice he used the power of the Presidency to circumvent justice in a civil case that was our business What woman sued him for sexual harrassment? Perjury and obstruction of justice about his damn sex life that was none of our business, only an idiot wouldn't see the wrong in that. And yes there were alot of idiots around that time. People should have got smarter by now. Circumvention in a case about his sex life that was none of our business. We shouldn't have been there anyway. Paula Jones sued him for sexual harrassment and anytime a President uses his power to deny someone a fair trial it IS our business There is no proof he used his power to deny someone a fair trial. except for the impeachment of course The impeachment was for lying. Which he should not have had to do because we shouldn't have been in his sex life to begin with. My tax dollars were wasted on all of that for a bunch of idiots who needed to go take care of their wifes, girlfriends, male partners and stay the hell out of other people's sex lives. Our tax dollars are wasted every day on stupid crap. Idiots are the ones that don't see a president that had an affair as wrong. It's the idiots that don't see that a President is SUPPOSED to set an example for our Country, screwing another woman while he was married was DEAD WRONG. He got what he deserved. I can't keep quiet any longer. Peledac usually says it all for me but I have to jump in here. How liberal can some of you be?? How about if your pastor/priest/minister/rabbi did the same thing with the organist(no pun intended, well maybe)? Are you going to say, "It's his business. We all lie about our sex lives." By the way, why would someone lie about their sex lives unless they are doing something with someone they shouldn't? When I'm paying taxes and relying on my president to run this country I want to feel assured that he isn't dangling his junk under the Oval Office desk for some nit-wit intern to get rug burns on her knees while servicing him. People have sex and it isn't anyones business as long as they are of age and mental consent. If they are married it is the wife's business only. We need to keep our noses out of others Busy bodies are the worst. Mind your business. You can beat your head against a wall and keep telling us it isn't our business but as the President, it IS our business. |
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If we lived under God's biblical (Sharia) law this wouldnt be a problem
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