Topic: GOP group wants to run war criminal for US president in 2012
JustAGuy2112's photo
Fri 11/27/09 05:07 PM



Cheney doesnt have the health. Dont people consider a candidates health anymore? And god forbid, in lieu of their candidate having good health, dont they take their VP candidate more seriously? This was another issue that made the McCain/Palin ticket so scary to me. This man seemed to not have the best health, if he should become incapacitated during any major atrocity,,we would have PALIN making the decisions? no thanx


Well, that didn't stop them from nominating McCain.



This group isn't really serious, this is just more mop-up of the Dippic's and Chainy's lagacy by implying Chainy would be a viable candidate...

Just more Rovean tactics...that's about it.


His nomination shocked me during the campaign. Even Rudy Giuliani and that Mass..mormon guy was doing a lot better than McCain. His sudden rise out of nowhere during the campaign was something I am still intruiged with...something fishy was going on when Giuliani dropped out of the race and so was that priest guy with the crazy eye...he pretty much swept up the bible belt .

So I don't know how and where McCain got an edge..it was all weird...to see him gaining popularity almost out of nowhere.


You can thank the Mainstream Media for that one.

They did the same thing with Mc Cain that they did with Obama.

The people no longer choose the candidates. The media does.

AndrewAV's photo
Fri 11/27/09 09:33 PM







if Obama seeks reelection, they'll be running a war criminal too, so guess it'll even out. As usual, I won't be voting for either. I probably will just skip the whole thing.


How is President Obama a war criminal?...References, specific charges please?




Obama 'expands covert war in Pakistan' http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=86359&sectionid=3510203

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/washington/21policy.html?_r=1

Killing innocent civilians and attacking foreign countries without a declaration of war sounds like war crimes to me.


********, this is just the contination of the Dippic's rules that are also approved by the country of Pakistan. The UN recently ruled drone attacks as illegal and the Obama adminstration may have to make some changes but this is not presently illegal...not a "war crime"...

"Afghanistan and Pakistan are the central front in the America's war against terrorism and the deteriorating situation in the region poses a grave threat to the global security. It's an international challenge of the highest order. That's why we are pursuing a careful review of our policy," Obama said on Thursday."



So, killing brown people in some other country is okay just because there's no official law? Yeah, this is a big improvement over Bushism. slaphead


Of course not! It's never wrong when your side does it!


The fact that this thread differentiates from one side being criminals and the other not speaks worlds about how seriously it should be taken. I especially like the photoshopped images and cute video clip of McCain. Totally makes me want to take anything you say seriously.


I lean independent...and I am upset that President Obama has not set firm withdrawal policies for these wars we were LIED into by these aforementioned criminals, I still don't see President Obama is a "war crininal". Lame attempt to change the subject.

You RW nutbags who'd like to ignore that your GOP criminal agendas should go unpunished shows a lack of respect for the Constitution as well as true Ameican values concerning justice.

My "side" is with truth not a political party's strategy designed to deny/ignore the past....thus re-live the worst of it.




If you're so independent, then why is Obama not guilty for continuing the wars?

Accessory to murder still gets you ten to twenty. Doesn't make you any less guilty.

Atlantis75's photo
Fri 11/27/09 09:58 PM








if Obama seeks reelection, they'll be running a war criminal too, so guess it'll even out. As usual, I won't be voting for either. I probably will just skip the whole thing.


How is President Obama a war criminal?...References, specific charges please?




Obama 'expands covert war in Pakistan' http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=86359&sectionid=3510203

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/washington/21policy.html?_r=1

Killing innocent civilians and attacking foreign countries without a declaration of war sounds like war crimes to me.


********, this is just the contination of the Dippic's rules that are also approved by the country of Pakistan. The UN recently ruled drone attacks as illegal and the Obama adminstration may have to make some changes but this is not presently illegal...not a "war crime"...

"Afghanistan and Pakistan are the central front in the America's war against terrorism and the deteriorating situation in the region poses a grave threat to the global security. It's an international challenge of the highest order. That's why we are pursuing a careful review of our policy," Obama said on Thursday."



So, killing brown people in some other country is okay just because there's no official law? Yeah, this is a big improvement over Bushism. slaphead


Of course not! It's never wrong when your side does it!


The fact that this thread differentiates from one side being criminals and the other not speaks worlds about how seriously it should be taken. I especially like the photoshopped images and cute video clip of McCain. Totally makes me want to take anything you say seriously.


I lean independent...and I am upset that President Obama has not set firm withdrawal policies for these wars we were LIED into by these aforementioned criminals, I still don't see President Obama is a "war crininal". Lame attempt to change the subject.

You RW nutbags who'd like to ignore that your GOP criminal agendas should go unpunished shows a lack of respect for the Constitution as well as true Ameican values concerning justice.

My "side" is with truth not a political party's strategy designed to deny/ignore the past....thus re-live the worst of it.




If you're so independent, then why is Obama not guilty for continuing the wars?

Accessory to murder still gets you ten to twenty. Doesn't make you any less guilty.


I don't think it has anything to do with being guilty or not...more like incompetent or don't know what to do. Many fail to realize the power of the world financial banks, markets, special interest groups, weapon business, etc...
USA is pretty much controlled by corporations, the president (or the congress) is just an official figure "a representation" without any real power, because the special interest lobbies got so powerful that they can make or break a president within days.

The faster you realize this the better.

AndrewAV's photo
Fri 11/27/09 10:48 PM









if Obama seeks reelection, they'll be running a war criminal too, so guess it'll even out. As usual, I won't be voting for either. I probably will just skip the whole thing.


How is President Obama a war criminal?...References, specific charges please?




Obama 'expands covert war in Pakistan' http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=86359&sectionid=3510203

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/washington/21policy.html?_r=1

Killing innocent civilians and attacking foreign countries without a declaration of war sounds like war crimes to me.


********, this is just the contination of the Dippic's rules that are also approved by the country of Pakistan. The UN recently ruled drone attacks as illegal and the Obama adminstration may have to make some changes but this is not presently illegal...not a "war crime"...

"Afghanistan and Pakistan are the central front in the America's war against terrorism and the deteriorating situation in the region poses a grave threat to the global security. It's an international challenge of the highest order. That's why we are pursuing a careful review of our policy," Obama said on Thursday."



So, killing brown people in some other country is okay just because there's no official law? Yeah, this is a big improvement over Bushism. slaphead


Of course not! It's never wrong when your side does it!


The fact that this thread differentiates from one side being criminals and the other not speaks worlds about how seriously it should be taken. I especially like the photoshopped images and cute video clip of McCain. Totally makes me want to take anything you say seriously.


I lean independent...and I am upset that President Obama has not set firm withdrawal policies for these wars we were LIED into by these aforementioned criminals, I still don't see President Obama is a "war crininal". Lame attempt to change the subject.

You RW nutbags who'd like to ignore that your GOP criminal agendas should go unpunished shows a lack of respect for the Constitution as well as true Ameican values concerning justice.

My "side" is with truth not a political party's strategy designed to deny/ignore the past....thus re-live the worst of it.




If you're so independent, then why is Obama not guilty for continuing the wars?

Accessory to murder still gets you ten to twenty. Doesn't make you any less guilty.


I don't think it has anything to do with being guilty or not...more like incompetent or don't know what to do. Many fail to realize the power of the world financial banks, markets, special interest groups, weapon business, etc...
USA is pretty much controlled by corporations, the president (or the congress) is just an official figure "a representation" without any real power, because the special interest lobbies got so powerful that they can make or break a president within days.

The faster you realize this the better.


Totally agree. It just pisses me off when someone will condemn a Republican but completely support a Democrat for the same thing (or vice versa - obviously, the republican doing wrong side is more applicable now).

jrbogie's photo
Sat 11/28/09 07:22 AM
just wonedering what war crime cheney has been convicted of that can fairly suggest that he's a war criminal. i don't want the sob in office either but at least i use fairmindedness in coming to my conclusions and not media and political sound bites. jeez people. you complain about a powerful two party system and then align yourselves with one of the two parties. you're feeding the monster.

Quietman_2009's photo
Sat 11/28/09 07:38 AM
it's interesting how some people base all their opinions on what they are fed from their favorite extremist web sites

doesn't inspire a shred of confidence for me in the ability of the American people to run their own country

jrbogie's photo
Sat 11/28/09 07:45 AM

it's interesting how some people base all their opinions on what they are fed from their favorite extremist web sites

doesn't inspire a shred of confidence for me in the ability of the American people to run their own country



yes indeed and the founders lacked that confidence as well. hense, we have a representative republic and an electoral college. can't imagine some of the mentalities i see here actually having a say in who'll be the leader of the free world. yeow.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sat 11/28/09 07:48 AM

it's interesting how some people base all their opinions on what they are fed from their favorite extremist web sites

doesn't inspire a shred of confidence for me in the ability of the American people to run their own country


I feel the same way. It's always been this way, though. Before websites, it was TV shows, radio shows, magazines, newspapers, and so on. People are dumber and more ignorant than ever (in my experience). Fortunately, the framers of the constitution didn't give us a democracy, but a republic. Can you imagine how bad things were be if every major decision was up for a vote? noway

I would argue that a part of our problems is how the constitution breaks down more and more as time goes on. Moving away from the constitutional republic towards mass democracy has given too much influence to the least qualified people (the Federal Government and the unwashed masses). frustrated

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Sat 11/28/09 03:19 PM



New group tries to convince Cheney to run in 2012

"Washington (CNN) – A new group wants former Vice President Dick Cheney back in the White House.

The organization - "Draft Dick Cheney 2012" - launched on Friday, and unveiled their new Web site. Their aim: To convince the former vice president to seek the Republican presidential nomination in the next race for the White House. But there may be a major roadblock to the group's pitch - Cheney himself.

"The 2012 race for the Republican nomination for President will be about much more then who will be the party's standard bearer against Barack Obama, the race is about the heart and soul of the GOP," said Christopher Barron, one of the organizers of the Draft Cheney movement. "There is only one person in our party with the experience, political courage and unwavering commitment to the values that made our party strong – and that person is Dick Cheney."

The former vice president has been a frequent outspoken critic of the Obama administration's security policy. He recently suggested that Obama was "dithering" over deciding on adding more U.S. troops to Afghanistan. National polls suggest that the former vice president remains popular among conservatives and Republicans."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/


In a related report the GOP have unveiled it's new LOGO:



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MiddleEarthling's photo
Sat 11/28/09 03:37 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Sat 11/28/09 03:37 PM
You people are all over the place with your "truthiness" and denial of the obvious...torture is illegal. Chainy et.al ordered torture. Case closed...well I'd like closure with justice in a trail and the imprisonment of the criminals that tainted our reputations in the world...and what about the victims?

PS: once again Focks is NOT a news network!

http://www.progressive.org/wx032409.html

"President Obama needs to tell Attorney General Eric Holder to indict Dick Cheney, right now, for war crimes.

Just look at the statute, Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code, Section 2441. It says that someone is guilty of a war crime if he or she commits a “grave breach of common Article 3” of the Geneva Conventions. And then it defines what a grave breach would be.

One such breach is torture, or the conspiracy to commit torture, which Cheney was clearly in on, as when he repeatedly defended waterboarding and talked about the need to go to the “dark side” Here’s the language from the statute: “The act of a person who commits, or conspires to commit, an act specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering . . . upon another person within his custody or physical control for the purpose of obtaining information or a confession, punishment, intimidation, coercion, or any reason based on discrimination of any kind.”

Another grave breach is “cruel or inhuman treatment,” or the conspiracy to inflict such treatment. Again, Cheney was supervising such treatment in the White House, which would qualify as committing this crime. One time, it got so ghoulish that Attorney General John Ashcroft asked the other principals, “Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly.”

Here’s the language on “cruel or inhuman treatment”: “The act of a person who commits, or conspires or attempts to commit, an act intended to inflict severe or serious physical or mental pain or suffering . . . including serious physical abuse, upon another within his custody or control.”

An additional breach is “mutilation or maiming.” Since some detainees say they no longer have the complete functioning of arms or limbs, Cheney may be on the hook here, too. “The act of a person who intentionally injures, or conspires or attempts to injure, or injures whether intentionally or unintentionally in the course of committing any other offense under this subsection, one or more persons . . . by disfiguring the person or persons by any mutilation thereof or by permanently disabling any member, limb or organ of his body, without any legitimate medical or dental purpose.”

“Intentionally causing serious bodily harm” is yet another grave breach. The statute defines this as: “The act of a person who intentionally causes, or conspires or attempts to cause, serious bodily injury to one or more persons, including lawful combatants, in violation of the law of war.”

For each of these offenses, Cheney could receive life in prison, according to the statute.

That is where he belongs."










Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/29/09 12:37 PM
Who in the Republican Party is without blame?
I'm still waiting on Cheney and Bush to be brought to trial.
Maybe one day.

tohyup's photo
Sun 11/29/09 01:13 PM








if Obama seeks reelection, they'll be running a war criminal too, so guess it'll even out. As usual, I won't be voting for either. I probably will just skip the whole thing.


How is President Obama a war criminal?...References, specific charges please?




Obama 'expands covert war in Pakistan' http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=86359&sectionid=3510203

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/washington/21policy.html?_r=1

Killing innocent civilians and attacking foreign countries without a declaration of war sounds like war crimes to me.


********, this is just the contination of the Dippic's rules that are also approved by the country of Pakistan. The UN recently ruled drone attacks as illegal and the Obama adminstration may have to make some changes but this is not presently illegal...not a "war crime"...

"Afghanistan and Pakistan are the central front in the America's war against terrorism and the deteriorating situation in the region poses a grave threat to the global security. It's an international challenge of the highest order. That's why we are pursuing a careful review of our policy," Obama said on Thursday."



So, killing brown people in some other country is okay just because there's no official law? Yeah, this is a big improvement over Bushism. slaphead


Of course not! It's never wrong when your side does it!


The fact that this thread differentiates from one side being criminals and the other not speaks worlds about how seriously it should be taken. I especially like the photoshopped images and cute video clip of McCain. Totally makes me want to take anything you say seriously.


I lean independent...and I am upset that President Obama has not set firm withdrawal policies for these wars we were LIED into by these aforementioned criminals, I still don't see President Obama is a "war crininal". Lame attempt to change the subject.

You RW nutbags who'd like to ignore that your GOP criminal agendas should go unpunished shows a lack of respect for the Constitution as well as true Ameican values concerning justice.

My "side" is with truth not a political party's strategy designed to deny/ignore the past....thus re-live the worst of it.




If you're so independent, then why is Obama not guilty for continuing the wars?

Accessory to murder still gets you ten to twenty. Doesn't make you any less guilty.

Obama's hands are full of innocent people's blood from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan . He is following the dark path of his precedent G.W. Bush . In the near future we shall not be able to differentiate between the two .

AndrewAV's photo
Sun 11/29/09 01:19 PM









if Obama seeks reelection, they'll be running a war criminal too, so guess it'll even out. As usual, I won't be voting for either. I probably will just skip the whole thing.


How is President Obama a war criminal?...References, specific charges please?




Obama 'expands covert war in Pakistan' http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=86359&sectionid=3510203

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/washington/21policy.html?_r=1

Killing innocent civilians and attacking foreign countries without a declaration of war sounds like war crimes to me.


********, this is just the contination of the Dippic's rules that are also approved by the country of Pakistan. The UN recently ruled drone attacks as illegal and the Obama adminstration may have to make some changes but this is not presently illegal...not a "war crime"...

"Afghanistan and Pakistan are the central front in the America's war against terrorism and the deteriorating situation in the region poses a grave threat to the global security. It's an international challenge of the highest order. That's why we are pursuing a careful review of our policy," Obama said on Thursday."



So, killing brown people in some other country is okay just because there's no official law? Yeah, this is a big improvement over Bushism. slaphead


Of course not! It's never wrong when your side does it!


The fact that this thread differentiates from one side being criminals and the other not speaks worlds about how seriously it should be taken. I especially like the photoshopped images and cute video clip of McCain. Totally makes me want to take anything you say seriously.


I lean independent...and I am upset that President Obama has not set firm withdrawal policies for these wars we were LIED into by these aforementioned criminals, I still don't see President Obama is a "war crininal". Lame attempt to change the subject.

You RW nutbags who'd like to ignore that your GOP criminal agendas should go unpunished shows a lack of respect for the Constitution as well as true Ameican values concerning justice.

My "side" is with truth not a political party's strategy designed to deny/ignore the past....thus re-live the worst of it.




If you're so independent, then why is Obama not guilty for continuing the wars?

Accessory to murder still gets you ten to twenty. Doesn't make you any less guilty.

Obama's hands are full of innocent people's blood from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan . He is following the dark path of his precedent G.W. Bush . In the near future we shall not be able to differentiate between the two .


drinker

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/29/09 02:30 PM










if Obama seeks reelection, they'll be running a war criminal too, so guess it'll even out. As usual, I won't be voting for either. I probably will just skip the whole thing.


How is President Obama a war criminal?...References, specific charges please?




Obama 'expands covert war in Pakistan' http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=86359&sectionid=3510203

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/washington/21policy.html?_r=1

Killing innocent civilians and attacking foreign countries without a declaration of war sounds like war crimes to me.


********, this is just the contination of the Dippic's rules that are also approved by the country of Pakistan. The UN recently ruled drone attacks as illegal and the Obama adminstration may have to make some changes but this is not presently illegal...not a "war crime"...

"Afghanistan and Pakistan are the central front in the America's war against terrorism and the deteriorating situation in the region poses a grave threat to the global security. It's an international challenge of the highest order. That's why we are pursuing a careful review of our policy," Obama said on Thursday."



So, killing brown people in some other country is okay just because there's no official law? Yeah, this is a big improvement over Bushism. slaphead


Of course not! It's never wrong when your side does it!


The fact that this thread differentiates from one side being criminals and the other not speaks worlds about how seriously it should be taken. I especially like the photoshopped images and cute video clip of McCain. Totally makes me want to take anything you say seriously.


I lean independent...and I am upset that President Obama has not set firm withdrawal policies for these wars we were LIED into by these aforementioned criminals, I still don't see President Obama is a "war crininal". Lame attempt to change the subject.

You RW nutbags who'd like to ignore that your GOP criminal agendas should go unpunished shows a lack of respect for the Constitution as well as true Ameican values concerning justice.

My "side" is with truth not a political party's strategy designed to deny/ignore the past....thus re-live the worst of it.




If you're so independent, then why is Obama not guilty for continuing the wars?

Accessory to murder still gets you ten to twenty. Doesn't make you any less guilty.

Obama's hands are full of innocent people's blood from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan . He is following the dark path of his precedent G.W. Bush . In the near future we shall not be able to differentiate between the two .


drinker


LMAO
Bush ignored the war against those who attacked us.
You cant give him much of anything when Afghanistan is involved. Except maybe that he let Bin Laden get away when we had a chance of capturing him.

I just wished he start drafting some of these ride-the-wagon patriots we have.
It should be every Americans sacrifice. Not just the truly patriotic's. The Volunteers!

markumX's photo
Sun 11/29/09 02:46 PM
neither party is innocent and american buy into this dog and pony show but it just kills me when some neocon plays amnesia when it comes to the bush admin's crimes or UN violations at best.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/29/09 03:38 PM

neither party is innocent and american buy into this dog and pony show but it just kills me when some neocon plays amnesia when it comes to the bush admin's crimes or UN violations at best.


How many people can continue to ride and reep the benefits obtained through the blood of the few, and for how long?

Draft!

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sun 11/29/09 03:41 PM


neither party is innocent and american buy into this dog and pony show but it just kills me when some neocon plays amnesia when it comes to the bush admin's crimes or UN violations at best.


How many people can continue to ride and reep the benefits obtained through the blood of the few, and for how long?

Draft!


You gonna be first in line to sign up??

Or are you in the service already??

If not...why not??

You wanna have everyone else get drafted...you should have already volunteered.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/29/09 03:41 PM
Any man who stands in a foxhole next to another, can not come home and look down his nose at that man because he is poorer or richer.

Nor can he enjoy the rights we in this country enjoy without appreciation.

Draft!

JustAGuy2112's photo
Sun 11/29/09 03:43 PM

Any man who stands in a foxhole next to another, can not come home and look down his nose at that man because he is poorer or richer.

Nor can he enjoy the rights we in this country enjoy without appreciation.

Draft!


Again. Are you now, or have you been in the military??

If not....then march down to the nearest recruiting center and sign up.

Fanta46's photo
Sun 11/29/09 03:44 PM



neither party is innocent and american buy into this dog and pony show but it just kills me when some neocon plays amnesia when it comes to the bush admin's crimes or UN violations at best.


How many people can continue to ride and reep the benefits obtained through the blood of the few, and for how long?

Draft!


You gonna be first in line to sign up??

Or are you in the service already??

If not...why not??

You wanna have everyone else get drafted...you should have already volunteered.


I've been there and done that!
7 yrs active, E-5, Sgt, 11B ( US Infantry)