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Well, I decided I would look it up. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4610070.stm --This article dating the 16th of January, 2006; states that diet MAY have more to do with mental illness and changing a diet in SOME cases shows better results than medication. I've taken the liberty to 'highlight' so-to-speak the key terms used through that article. Now; let's look at a different article from another perspective, shall we? http://www.naturalnews.com/006587.html First; let's note the headline, "Depression and mental disorders can be prevented and treated with simple healing foods." Okay, now that this is out of the way, let's move onto what the article says. Not quite verbatim, it is in fact exactly the same thing the article above it states...that new scientific studies were finding that in SOME cases changing a person's diet MAY help in mental illness. Only this one is tricky, anyone know why? Here; I'll tell you why, because of the headline, in the headline we see the words CAN and PREVENTED...now unfortunately, being human, we only really see what we want more often than not and because of that we neglect true information. So...what does this all mean? Well, obviously, naturalnews.com is a dietitian site, in that it is primarily visited by people looking for diet advice and professionals that work within giving healthy diet recommendations. And the site above it is BBC news, see where this is going? Now I'm not saying that a healthy diet can't cure mental disease, but I'm not agreeing with it either, I'm just simply stating how if certain terms are used in a headline, it is quoted for truth when it is simply stating a theory. If one thing works, continue to do it, if at any point in time you find it not working...change it. Everyone with a mental health condition should follow that, I do, I'm sure Dict8 here does as well. If pills are working for us, then stick to what works, right? If a healthy diet is working, stick to the diet, correct? Quit bickering children.  Fear just summed up my position perfectly. I'm sorry if I came off as being mean or spiteful...it's just that I have dealt with mental illness all my life and I HAVE thoroughly researched my condition and have tried every control mechanism and treatment if it promised some relief. It's hard to take advice from people who get on their soap box claiming they can help you cuz' they have "educated" themselves on the subject when you know they haven't lived it. |
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different people react differently to treatments.
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Edited by
HawaiiMusikMan
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Sun 02/28/10 05:20 PM
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All humans are mentally ill....quite mad actually.. some just have a label attached to theirs. Knowing that we are all quite mad, it is a no brainer that I am tolerant of it.  You go girl! We're all crazy in our own way |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sun 02/28/10 05:55 PM
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Take yr own advice...research it. Well if that's not the pot calling the kettle black... LOL  Even vitamin B deficiency can lead to depression and can result as a paranoid hallucinatory state. In the amount of time it took for you to post your rant you could have actually googled it and learned something.... Dancere is 100% correct. Some examples are Huntington’s chorea, Neurosyphilis, Encephalitis, Encephalitis lethargic, Cerebral abscess, Tuberculosis meningitis, Subarachnoid hemorrhage, Cerebrovascular accident, Cerebral tumors, Addison’s disease (hypoadrenalism), Hypopituitarism, The list goes on and on…. Next time instead of just ranting, please do some actual research before you post  Even liver disease can cause hallucinations and are sometimes known as hepatic encephalopathy. I've worked in the psychiatric field. It's not as simple as "take your vitamins". Even dehydration can make somebody act differently. That's why people are given physical evaluations before the psychiatric diagnosis is given. It's important to rule out physical problems first. Some hereditary plays a role in it too. |
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I used to work with the mentally ill and developmentally disabled; they're people just like anyone else. I don't want to date anyone with those problems, but I definitely have compassion and recognition of their feelings. I remember this stupid broad, at an outing with my clients, was talking to her friend and said, "they should just kill people like that at birth" like it would've made the world a better place and taken away some kind of anguish this "screwed up" being might have. Having worked in the field, what might you know about misdiagnosis, as far as schizophrenia verses to OCD? That's why it's important to get second opinions. OCD symptoms are prevalent in people with schizophrenia but schizophrenia is not common with people with OCD. |
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My OCD started at 16 and completely took over. Even when I was a vegetarian and taking vitamins and working outdoors at a landscaping nursery it was out of hand. I didn't smoke, drink, or use drugs and yet it just got worse and worse. I lived being controlled by OCD for well over 20 years. I've tried every control method, therapy, and medication possible. Finally...as of about a year ago I am free of OCD, but it took over 20 years to find the correct treatment. Just knowing yr diagnosis does not mean you will be cured. It is a very long and difficult process. Now the healing process needs to begin too cuz' OCD has ruined my life and there are subsequent issues I must face as a result of living with OCD such as PTSD and anxiety. I still have nightmares...I still have panic attacks etc....
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And ECT's !!!!!!
I have participated in the administration of ECT's as a nurse. Man..........that is some harsh treatment. But for some it is the court of last resort........... At the facility I work at now we maybe do 4-5 a wk. When I lived in the big city on Friday we would do about 20. |
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Even dehydration can make somebody act differently. Very good point 
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My OCD started at 16 and completely took over. Even when I was a vegetarian and taking vitamins and working outdoors at a landscaping nursery it was out of hand. I didn't smoke, drink, or use drugs and yet it just got worse and worse. I lived being controlled by OCD for well over 20 years. I've tried every control method, therapy, and medication possible. Finally...as of about a year ago I am free of OCD, but it took over 20 years to find the correct treatment. Just knowing yr diagnosis does not mean you will be cured. It is a very long and difficult process. Now the healing process needs to begin too cuz' OCD has ruined my life and there are subsequent issues I must face as a result of living with OCD such as PTSD and anxiety. I still have nightmares...I still have panic attacks etc.... |
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Even dehydration can make somebody act differently. Very good point But....that's easily remedied. 
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Now I'm not saying that a healthy diet can't cure mental disease, but I'm not agreeing with it either, I'm just simply stating how if certain terms are used in a headline, it is quoted for truth when it is simply stating a theory. What a website uses for a headline is a moot point. A direct link to diet has been made to brain function and health. Omega-3 fatty acids is a perfect example, and the source of omega-3 fatty acids is not in the typical diet as it once was. BTW - Did you notice that the second site that you linked to said "The information on this site is provided for educational and entertainment purposes only"? Weird
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How accepting are you, in general, of human beings (young and old} from all walks of life who suffer from this disorder? Maybe I'm more accepting because I have struggled with my own. It frustrates me that so many are quick to judge those with a diagnosis. 
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It's strange to attend group therapy sessions and to be told by counselors that it's up to us to educate people about mental illness cuz' if somebody's mind is all ready made up in how they look at it they sure as hell aren't gonna' listen to me. When people consistently say "oh yeah...I get it...I understand..." and then turn around and throw it in yr face later...well, you can't help but know the score. Doesn't matter how "smart" they claim to be...or how educated they are...if they want to use it against you then they will. End of story. And to the person who struggles with a mental illness all their life...to have somebody claim they're accepting only to use it against you later is devastating.... Do you remember my very first email to you? The one about the Prozac? I posted in the threads about my depression about 6 months after I'd been here. I still remember that thread. It was horrible. People can be very cruel. Anyway, after that I decided I would never post about it again or go public with it. Then I saw your post about your diagnosis and I was so impressed with how open and honest you were about it. I emailed you about that. I realized that I shouldn't be quiet about it. Yeah, it's hard when you get negative remarks and people make you feel terrible about it. But, you never know who is out there struggling with it who will benefit from your experience. So, I'm not quiet about it anymore. I am open and honest about it and I hope that from time to time it helps someone in a bad situation. Thanks, Dict8, for being open and honest about your situation. I know it helped me. |
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It's strange to attend group therapy sessions and to be told by counselors that it's up to us to educate people about mental illness cuz' if somebody's mind is all ready made up in how they look at it they sure as hell aren't gonna' listen to me. When people consistently say "oh yeah...I get it...I understand..." and then turn around and throw it in yr face later...well, you can't help but know the score. Doesn't matter how "smart" they claim to be...or how educated they are...if they want to use it against you then they will. End of story. And to the person who struggles with a mental illness all their life...to have somebody claim they're accepting only to use it against you later is devastating.... Do you remember my very first email to you? The one about the Prozac? I posted in the threads about my depression about 6 months after I'd been here. I still remember that thread. It was horrible. People can be very cruel. Anyway, after that I decided I would never post about it again or go public with it. Then I saw your post about your diagnosis and I was so impressed with how open and honest you were about it. I emailed you about that. I realized that I shouldn't be quiet about it. Yeah, it's hard when you get negative remarks and people make you feel terrible about it. But, you never know who is out there struggling with it who will benefit from your experience. So, I'm not quiet about it anymore. I am open and honest about it and I hope that from time to time it helps someone in a bad situation. Thanks, Dict8, for being open and honest about your situation. I know it helped me. 
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All humans are mentally ill....quite mad actually.. some just have a label attached to theirs. Knowing that we are all quite mad, it is a no brainer that I am tolerant of it. i think most people have some type of mental disorder in one form/shape or another, just some are better at controlling it then others... |
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Having a speech impediment when I was starting first grade, and being made fun of until fifth grade,(as I started fighting many)I KNOW what its like to be DIFFERENT and POINTED AT and MADE FUN OF...
KIDS our the most cruelest as they don't know better when that young. So after flunking twice in grade school and living that, I became the BULLY PUNCHER,,,lol anyone who made fun of someone's person,clothes,color I would kick their asss,,,lol,,but hey,,I was young and beaten at home for fun so life seemed RIGHT then to do that.. Now,,I talk with an extreme clarity and many people say I sound like a news caster or DJ,,type of strong clear voice.. But,,it was through a very hard battle by one little therapist to MAKE THAT happen,,,and she gave me her last eight years on this planet,, She taught me MUCH MORE than just how to talk,,wink.. |
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My OCD started at 16 and completely took over. Even when I was a vegetarian and taking vitamins and working outdoors at a landscaping nursery it was out of hand. I didn't smoke, drink, or use drugs and yet it just got worse and worse. I lived being controlled by OCD for well over 20 years. I've tried every control method, therapy, and medication possible. Finally...as of about a year ago I am free of OCD, but it took over 20 years to find the correct treatment. Just knowing yr diagnosis does not mean you will be cured. It is a very long and difficult process. Now the healing process needs to begin too cuz' OCD has ruined my life and there are subsequent issues I must face as a result of living with OCD such as PTSD and anxiety. I still have nightmares...I still have panic attacks etc....
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I have found that the really only effective practioner is one who has had first hand experience in the diagnosis of any illness. Empathy, years of knowledge, experementing...no one knows exactly what will work for many. Say...you and I have the same exact diagnosis, but you respond and I do not. To try and put anything into a nutshell 'cure' is kinda presumptious. How come 'a' responded to cancer treatment and 'b' did not? they were treated the same way. Both took serious regiments of vitamins, nutrional changes, same medication. It's simply way to complicated to state "if only you do it this way..." Sure, vitamins help, diet helps, we all know that but to think that will solve the problem....Then all would be extremely healthy...and no mental illness, no cancer, no colds nor flu. Because no 2 people are the same, of course! ANY practitioner w/ competence would NEVER treat even twins w/ the same conditions the same way, were such even possible. Nor would/could one expect the same results if foolish enough to treat a person or dis~ease as if a clone of another. 'TO ME' at least! Though I do understand your point, that IS the failed (to me!) Western Medicine Model, sadly! The same branch of medicine that has also participated in further destroying many a mental health patient - w/ decades of failed drug trials (and etc) put upon them as if guinea pigs! (among other diseases) I appreciate your experience, it is just vastly other than my own. Dis~ease is dis~ease! No matter which flavour - every single one is contained w/in the bodily, physiological, closed-loop system! There is no such thing as the same person, so, exact same status of body, nor dis~ease ... EVER, in my clinical and life experience. Thus, treatment, life style changes prescribed, homework and bodily responses are necessarily ONLY effective when specifically tailored to that unique individual and their presentation of symptoms! In my clinic? I've never seen the exact same treatment and homework even close to repeat itself, as to what one individual needed vs another w/ similar symptomatology. We are all completely unique in make~up, life style and circumstances that deliver us to a clinic, seeking help in the first place. Respectfully, I do also know w/ certainty, that the only one that can speak for my particular style, and case history success is me. I stand by it! I do think it also allows me a unique perspective on dis~ease discussion. They are in no way judgements. They are my hard earned assessments though. They are my personal perceptions, wholly derived from my unique historical perspective - in my life, my health, my family, my friends, my associates and my clinic. They lead to my own convictions, as do yours and everyones. I'm in no way challenged by disagreements, and hope we can agree to friendly disagree if necessary. I do note that in life and in this thread, when conventions are challenged, the new information and possibilities can provoke some. It also plays a huge part in the carte blanche unaccountability aforementioned by me, and many others in this thread. It is also very much involved in what I previously referred to as assigning the responsibility over to their practitioner - end game. And? End in the patient not informing and educating themselves towards BIG, lasting lifestyle changes. That is, to uncover every rock of possibly assistive resource towards healthy change - and SUSTAIN it ... ... Hard as that work may be, and as challenging as BIG change can be ... An example would be dabbling in nutrition briefly, rather than forever enlisting it as a bedrock fundament of lifestyle. Another would be toying w/ substance abuse and addiction recovery, but never sustaining it completely. These dismissive actions are often at the root of a lack of real homeostastic realignment. ... SO is poverty, but that is a whole other relevant discussion here! Also, in this and other posts, the nutritional piece is being singled out as if it was said to be the only resource in dis~ease management. It will take attacking dis~ease from every possible vantage point, w/ nutrition being a CRUCIAL component, yet far from the only one! Again, the US FDA directive is that 90% of major illnesses are directly attributable to nutritional deficiency, and that real cure will come about as a DIRECT result of nutrition! That should really prick up ALL our ears! I fully stand by my beliefs and experience, and appreciate this discussion! |
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I'm rather crazy.
I don't trust the seemingly sane. Too much to hide. |
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Well, yeah!
We're all crazy to be able to survive - almost an existence requirement, as if an evolutionary response. The contention concerns when we discuss levels thereof. That is, when it is at crisis depth that disrupts that person's shot at a happy, healthy, productive life - esp. when it simultaneously takes out their family and even community. The cops here in Boulder feel the majority of criminals are the mentally ill. I'd suspect many fields of criminal science would agree. |
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