I wanna be the Medicine Woman in Avatar!

Ty! My point throughout this thread: personal responsibility, self control, accountability in tandem to treatment.

Commit to and do the hard work that real effectual, lasting healing change demands forever.

It requires a lifetime dedication, not a quick trial and dismiss!



What should 'they' do then?

Sounds like the olde Baptist adage to the Pastors:

"You keep 'em Shepherded ... We'll keep you humble!"

Meaning, they were scarcely paid a shilling and had a legendary, tough struggle to even eat.

It turned into a greedy, viscous 800 Club kinda construct, that began from a grass roots survival necessity.

Also, sounds like what all doctors were eventually forced to as well: a long, expensive education w/ promises they'd be made rich.

The healing incentive was thus diluted long ago.

The word "Should" is so harsh here. It requires the no longer existent, old world construct of community care to achieve a notion that is preposterous in today's world, tragically.

Would that it weren't!

If should be used then, the Medicine Person should also still be completely cared for by the community, that economics and survival is not part of their energetic struggle.

That, they may be capable of offering their services unfettered w/ survival worries.

But it 'isn't', so 'shouldn't' is a well moot expectation!

Every Medicine Person~Healer that I know hasn't this luxury, and should feel zero guilt that they are unable to survive w/out a currency exchange.

We also require an expensive education to ensure we are legally protected to provide our services; even if we were always capable of producing healing results w/out such.

We want what you suggest more than imaginable.

We could do even better work if we needn't constantly concern ourselves w/ harnessing so much of our energy to economic survival!

Also ... Energetically the exchange requires an exchange, an energy towards an energy.

The worst results I've seen were those where the dis~eased person took the services offered and offered nothing back in return.

Almost as if there is a new metaphysical math that it IS entirely on the individuals to barter for care, in the absence of the past societal construct of community care for the Medicine Person.

This is where gift stipends, grants and volunteerism can enter in nicely, that we be able to reach specific communities that cannot reach us.

Then the person can be bettered and is enabled to go out and help another.

In this fashion, they do give back in their community, that the exchange have a full circle reciprocity.

I see it as a food chain in this new construct: I'll help you, you send someone else to me that also needs help, as well as you go back in the world and help another.

We must work w/ what 2010 offers, not should offer.

We DO keep dreamingscaping for such a day to return though!



Didya know that Castenadas went on to much later reveal that the books were complete works of fiction, written to pay the bills for his education?

Seems like the pesky bills always tread on the possibilities lost!

I loved the PURE majik of these beloved to me stories, and take heart that they are at least constructed from rich, true folklore as a researched basis.

Knowing this, their import was not so diminished w/ the news that they were not actually autobiographical works. (*Sniff*)

I certainly didn't mean to make you feel guilty for charging for your help. Like I said....everyone needs to eat and to survive. And each person must act according to their own conscience. I was wrong to use the word "should". I do not charge for my help but what is right for me is not necessarily right for someone else.

Of course the opinions I expressed are just that....opinions. Feel free to disagree.

Ok this thread has gone on wayyy too long... You guys crazy or somethin?


No way.... mental illness? I'm out! Sorry but I need stability in my life...

physical disability is another story... I wouldn't have any probs with it.... If I loved her... nothing physical would change that

Mental illness is physical.

Mental illness is physical.

Mental = The Mind = The Body!

Closed Loop System!

Anatomy and Physiology 101 ...

what type of mental illness? split personality? schizophrenia? anxiety disorder? Sexual desire disorder?

Obviously each one carries with it different challenges..

For example,
if someone has down-syndrome I would find harder to have a relationship with then someone who has an unusal craving for sex....

but that's just me

I've taken that class. lol I've taken Anatomy and Physiology II also.

Dancere,

You taught it. That's impressive!

I'll "seeeeeeeeeeeeee you" first ...

I wanna be the Lama lady of Agnes Water..