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no because this shell/mortal body needs it. I still would have the free will/choice not to eat or drink yes. but you don't have the "Free Will" to remain alive and healhty without food and water .....as long as you have needs...you don't have "Free Will"...it are the needs that govern your will only quoting half the post again i see, playing word games........ you know when you do this it looses it's entire message ment to be and you know this and is why you do it. I clearly said this mortal body needs, but i am not this mortal body this is just a carry shell for us. If i receive the gift of heaven I, what is truly me will live for ever, this body won't, it'll last a mere 60 years if that. free will applies to actions one takes. Dieing is not an action one takes intentionally it just happens. And if i does die intentionally eg., suicide there is only one reward for those.... ceasing to exist. We've already discussed this before, are you refusing to learn or what? lol |
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there is nothing indicating that they had the mind of a 5yr old! nothing! its obvious their minds were well beyond the 5yr old! they were able to till the soil, that doesnt put them at a 5yr old level!!!!!! that actually says to me that their mind was BEYOND a 5yr old! a 5yr old wouldnt have the first clue.... giving names doesnt mean their mind was at a 5yr old level either! yes, a 5yr old can give names...but the bible DOES NOT SAY that their minds were like a 5yr old!!!!!! BL4766..the bible displays how Adam and Eve lack knowledge which was why they choose to take from the fruit.....so now it becomes how much knowledge did Adam and Eve have before they took from the fruit and was that knowledge or intelligence beyond that of a 5 year old..... a passage from the bible would clear that up...because if there is no such passage then it only displays how the fall of Man were due to God creating Adam and Eve with a lack of knowledge to make a just decision |
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The principle of free will has religious implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will implies that an omnipotent divinity DOES NOT assert its power over individual will and choices.
Free will is the purported ability of agents to make choices free from constraints |
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there is nothing indicating that they had the mind of a 5yr old! nothing! its obvious their minds were well beyond the 5yr old! they were able to till the soil, that doesnt put them at a 5yr old level!!!!!! that actually says to me that their mind was BEYOND a 5yr old! a 5yr old wouldnt have the first clue.... giving names doesnt mean their mind was at a 5yr old level either! yes, a 5yr old can give names...but the bible DOES NOT SAY that their minds were like a 5yr old!!!!!! BL4766..the bible displays how Adam and Eve lack knowledge which was why they choose to take from the fruit.....so now it becomes how much knowledge did Adam and Eve have before they took from the fruit and was that knowledge or intelligence beyond that of a 5 year old..... a passage from the bible would clear that up...because if there is no such passage then it only displays how the fall of Man were due to God creating Adam and Eve with a lack of knowledge to make a just decision How does it show they had a lack of knowledge? I believe it shows they had a lack of obedience, not a lack of knowledge. Like you for instance, you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge of God but refuse to worship which is disobedience just like adam and eve. |
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Edited by
BL4766
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there is nothing indicating that they had the mind of a 5yr old! nothing! its obvious their minds were well beyond the 5yr old! they were able to till the soil, that doesnt put them at a 5yr old level!!!!!! that actually says to me that their mind was BEYOND a 5yr old! a 5yr old wouldnt have the first clue.... giving names doesnt mean their mind was at a 5yr old level either! yes, a 5yr old can give names...but the bible DOES NOT SAY that their minds were like a 5yr old!!!!!! BL4766..the bible displays how Adam and Eve lack knowledge which was why they choose to take from the fruit.....so now it becomes how much knowledge did Adam and Eve have before they took from the fruit and was that knowledge or intelligence beyond that of a 5 year old..... a passage from the bible would clear that up...because if there is no such passage then it only displays how the fall of Man were due to God creating Adam and Eve with a lack of knowledge to make a just decision How does it show they had a lack of knowledge? I believe it shows they had a lack of obedience, not a lack of knowledge. Like you for instance, you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge of God but refuse to worship which is disobedience just like adam and eve. i agree..... funches.............you dont worship god???????????????????????? maybe YOUR knowlede is just more speculation????? If you worshiped god & HIS WORD, you wouldnt have such doubt of adam & eves knowledge!!!!! |
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only quoting half the post again i see, playing word games........ you know when you do this it looses it's entire message ment to be and you know this and is why you do it. cowboy...I include your entire post ...why is there a need to continuely place all the old quotes in the post and make each response nearly a page long loaded with old quotes...don't you remember what you said...if not scroll up and read it |
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only quoting half the post again i see, playing word games........ you know when you do this it looses it's entire message ment to be and you know this and is why you do it. cowboy...I include your entire post ...why is there a need to continuely place all the old quotes in the post and make each response nearly a page long loaded with old quotes...don't you remember what you said...if not scroll up and read it Sorry that was my mistake, thought you had quoted a different post i apologize. |
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I clearly said this mortal body needs, but i am not this mortal body this is just a carry shell for us. If i receive the gift of heaven I, what is truly me will live for ever, this body won't, it'll last a mere 60 years if that. Cowboy...since you are stuck in that shell...then that shell is you...for all you know you may not be going to Heaven but will die in the lake of fire...so let's keep the debate in Earth's reality |
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I clearly said this mortal body needs, but i am not this mortal body this is just a carry shell for us. If i receive the gift of heaven I, what is truly me will live for ever, this body won't, it'll last a mere 60 years if that. Cowboy...since you are stuck in that shell...then that shell is you...for all you know you may not be going to Heaven but will die in the lake of fire...so let's keep the debate in Earth's reality God is earth's reality. God created the earth and what we call reality so therefor God is our reality. And you are right on that one bit, i don't know if i'm going to heaven or not, no one does. If not i guess all this talking to you and every other thing i've ever done in life would have been pointless cause i would just cease to exist. |
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The principle of free will has religious implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will implies that an omnipotent divinity DOES NOT assert its power over individual will and choices. Free will is the purported ability of agents to make choices free from constraints what? ...BL4766....no way you said that....I totally agree |
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How does it show they had a lack of knowledge? I believe it shows they had a lack of obedience, not a lack of knowledge. Like you for instance, you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge of God but refuse to worship which is disobedience just like adam and eve. Cowboy...if Adam and Eve lack the knowledge of good and evil...then how would they know what disobedience was ... |
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The principle of free will has religious implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will implies that an omnipotent divinity DOES NOT assert its power over individual will and choices. Free will is the purported ability of agents to make choices free from constraints what? ...BL4766....no way you said that....I totally agree That's exactly what i've been saying in other words. Free will means you can do ANYTHING. And is why we as humans have free will. |
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How does it show they had a lack of knowledge? I believe it shows they had a lack of obedience, not a lack of knowledge. Like you for instance, you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge of God but refuse to worship which is disobedience just like adam and eve. Cowboy...if Adam and Eve lack the knowledge of good and evil...then how would they know what disobedience was ... Yes they would have. And they did, and is why they were punished with being kicked out of heaven. There is no excuse for what they did. |
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funches.............you dont worship god???????????????????????? maybe YOUR knowlede is just more speculation????? If you worshiped god & HIS WORD, you wouldnt have such doubt of adam & eves knowledge!!!!! BL4766...I have doubts because you haven't of yet posted a passage that indicate that Adam and Eve had knowledge beyond a 5 year old worshipping god and his word will not make that passage appear in the bible if it's not in there |
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only quoting half the post again i see, playing word games........ you know when you do this it looses it's entire message ment to be and you know this and is why you do it. cowboy...I include your entire post ...why is there a need to continuely place all the old quotes in the post and make each response nearly a page long loaded with old quotes...don't you remember what you said...if not scroll up and read it Sorry that was my mistake, thought you had quoted a different post i apologize. now say three hail marys |
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I clearly said this mortal body needs, but i am not this mortal body this is just a carry shell for us. If i receive the gift of heaven I, what is truly me will live for ever, this body won't, it'll last a mere 60 years if that. Cowboy...since you are stuck in that shell...then that shell is you...for all you know you may not be going to Heaven but will die in the lake of fire...so let's keep the debate in Earth's reality God is earth's reality. God created the earth and what we call reality so therefor God is our reality. And you are right on that one bit, i don't know if i'm going to heaven or not, no one does. If not i guess all this talking to you and every other thing i've ever done in life would have been pointless cause i would just cease to exist. right so let's stay in Earth's reality and not go floating off to Heaven reality |
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Edited by
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funches.............you dont worship god???????????????????????? maybe YOUR knowlede is just more speculation????? If you worshiped god & HIS WORD, you wouldnt have such doubt of adam & eves knowledge!!!!! BL4766...I have doubts because you haven't of yet posted a passage that indicate that Adam and Eve had knowledge beyond a 5 year old worshipping god and his word will not make that passage appear in the bible if it's not in there you dont worship god because I didnt post a passage stating that they had knowledge beyond a 5yr old?????  thats silly! you dont worship for other reasons...... and im YET to see a passage saying that they had the mentality of A 5YR OLD!!!!!!!!!! it ISNT THERE! |
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The principle of free will has religious implications. For example, in the religious realm, free will implies that an omnipotent divinity DOES NOT assert its power over individual will and choices. Free will is the purported ability of agents to make choices free from constraints what? ...BL4766....no way you said that....I totally agree That's exactly what i've been saying in other words. Free will means you can do ANYTHING. And is why we as humans have free will. Jeez Cowboy...didn't I just show you that you can't do anything...supposedly only God has that ability...are you now God? |
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funches.............you dont worship god???????????????????????? maybe YOUR knowlede is just more speculation????? If you worshiped god & HIS WORD, you wouldnt have such doubt of adam & eves knowledge!!!!! BL4766...I have doubts because you haven't of yet posted a passage that indicate that Adam and Eve had knowledge beyond a 5 year old worshipping god and his word will not make that passage appear in the bible if it's not in there you dont worship god because I didnt post a passage stating that they had knowledge beyond a 5yr old????? thats silly! you dont worship for other reasons...... and im YET to see a passage saying that they had the mentality of A 5YR OLD!!!!!!!!!! it ISNT THERE! I'm just not into hero worshipping...especially unseen entities that can't be proved to exist beyond a book, also it's the bible that states that Adam and Eve lacked the knowledge of good and evil...so explain what knowledge could they possible have that was beyond that of a 5 year old |
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funches.............you dont worship god???????????????????????? maybe YOUR knowlede is just more speculation????? If you worshiped god & HIS WORD, you wouldnt have such doubt of adam & eves knowledge!!!!! BL4766...I have doubts because you haven't of yet posted a passage that indicate that Adam and Eve had knowledge beyond a 5 year old worshipping god and his word will not make that passage appear in the bible if it's not in there you dont worship god because I didnt post a passage stating that they had knowledge beyond a 5yr old????? thats silly! you dont worship for other reasons...... and im YET to see a passage saying that they had the mentality of A 5YR OLD!!!!!!!!!! it ISNT THERE! I'm just not into hero worshipping...especially unseen entities that can't be proved to exist beyond a book, also it's the bible that states that Adam and Eve lacked the knowledge of good and evil...so explain what knowledge could they possible have that was beyond that of a 5 year old That would be difficult to explain as those reading it would have to have intellignce beyond that of a 5-year old. Totaly missing the intended audience. |
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