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Topic: If God were really standing right in front of you...
Abracadabra's photo
Thu 07/08/10 09:34 AM


:heart: God is always standing in front of Me as I do not know where I am going.


If you'd politely ask Him to please step out of your way for a moment, then you could see where you were headed.

If a person was blocking my view and path of movement, I would have no clue where to go and what's ahead of me.

You've given us a beautiful, true, and most useful parable on the role of God in man's life in today's world.


Some pretty heavy wisdom on the boards today.



My knees are going to be sore tomorrow!

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 07/08/10 02:51 PM
I asked God what I should do with my life and he said, "Whatever you want!"

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 07/08/10 04:11 PM

I asked God what I should do with my life and he said, "Whatever you want!"


I went surfing with God the other night in a dream. It was really cool. He did appear as a male in this vision. I was on a surfboard surfing along in an ocean of humoungus waves. God was standing on the back of my surfboard with his hands on my shoulders.

He conveyed to me that he's not the one who is making the waves. He assured me that I'm making the waves. But also told me that he'll be more than happy to help me navigate through them anytime I feel I need help.

I actually had an entire series of six dreams that lead up to this one. The first five dreams did not contain god, but they did contain other characters. Each dream, while different in its actual content, had the same theme. The dreams were about various situations in life that appear to be quite turbulent, and the thesis of the dream was focused on what actions should be taken to best navigate the situation. They were almost like tests. I think I passed them all because in every case I offered a solution that seemed to achieve the desire results with almost no effort on my part.

In the final dream when God was surfing with me (he looked like Gandalf from the Lord of the Rings by the way) he was basically assuring me that I have the right idea and that I'm a pretty good surfer. But then he looked up at the humongous waves I've created and said, "Just remember, I'll be here if you ever need help negotiating these beasts you've created". bigsmile

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 07/08/10 08:45 PM

"Just remember, I'll be here if you ever need help negotiating these beasts you've created". bigsmile


This is truly profound. I have been thinking about it since I read it hours ago.

Thanks for sharing. flowerforyou

wux's photo
Thu 07/08/10 10:32 PM


Some pretty heavy wisdom on the boards today.



My knees are going to be sore tomorrow!


Sadly, despite all this, I'll still be sexually frustrated tomorrow. All those kneeling pictures don't help, you know.

I am sure God has the same problem. There is no Mrs. God. Mary was a one-night stand. "Thank you, God, for Joseph," God must have prayed, otherwise Jesus would have died as an embryo while Mary were stoned to death. The final product would have been the same (the son of God died for our sins, and for His), but a story like that most likely wouldn't have started a religion.

If I don't go to hell for putting it like this, then I never will, or else maybe God is playing a trick on Himself by having me have my say.

s1owhand's photo
Fri 07/09/10 01:29 AM
laugh Wux laugh

s1owhand's photo
Fri 07/09/10 01:35 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Fri 07/09/10 01:36 AM





If God were really standing right in front of you...


I'll ask him if he's an atheist


Very interesting question indeed. drinker


laugh

why? do you think that god would not be self-aware?

laugh

there are a lot better questions to ask than this one.



For once I agree with S1owhand.

This was not an interesting question. Rather a question seeking a redundant answer. The answer being that God is an atheist, with no questions asked.

God can not be other than an atheist.

Man needs faith to believe in God. Man can't know anything but of the existence of his own self. So God is an object of what a man believes and believes in. Much like man believes that the Earth is round (based on the hearsay of his teachers), man believes that it's cold in Antarctica (based on hearsay and on TV footage), man believes that Napoleon's armies advanced to Moscow. Man believes that God exists, or not. But it's a belief.

If he believes God exists, he is a theist. If he does not believe that God exists, he is an atheist.

God can't do that. He knows things, he does not need faith to form a useful working model of the world in his mind. He drives on knowledge, not on faith.

Even without asking God, I know He is an atheist. An atheist does not believe there is a God. God himself does not believe that he, himself, exists. He KNOWS that, therefore he does not believe.

Ergo, "God does not believe that God exists (since he knows that and needs no faith to do that) therefore He is an atheist."


laugh

one problem.

a theist is one who believes or knows that god exists.

an atheist is one who believes or knows that god does not exist.

so god is a theist owing to self-awareness.
if god exists god knows it.
if god does not exist then there is no god to be an atheist.

laugh laugh laugh

nice try though.

drinker

no photo
Fri 07/09/10 03:58 AM






If God were really standing right in front of you...


I'll ask him if he's an atheist


Very interesting question indeed. drinker


laugh

why? do you think that god would not be self-aware?

laugh

there are a lot better questions to ask than this one.



For once I agree with S1owhand.

This was not an interesting question. Rather a question seeking a redundant answer. The answer being that God is an atheist, with no questions asked.

God can not be other than an atheist.

Man needs faith to believe in God. Man can't know anything but of the existence of his own self. So God is an object of what a man believes and believes in. Much like man believes that the Earth is round (based on the hearsay of his teachers), man believes that it's cold in Antarctica (based on hearsay and on TV footage), man believes that Napoleon's armies advanced to Moscow. Man believes that God exists, or not. But it's a belief.

If he believes God exists, he is a theist. If he does not believe that God exists, he is an atheist.

God can't do that. He knows things, he does not need faith to form a useful working model of the world in his mind. He drives on knowledge, not on faith.

Even without asking God, I know He is an atheist. An atheist does not believe there is a God. God himself does not believe that he, himself, exists. He KNOWS that, therefore he does not believe.

Ergo, "God does not believe that God exists (since he knows that and needs no faith to do that) therefore He is an atheist."


laugh

one problem.

a theist is one who believes or knows that god exists.

an atheist is one who believes or knows that god does not exist.

so god is a theist owing to self-awareness.
if god exists god knows it.
if god does not exist then there is no god to be an atheist.

laugh laugh laugh

nice try though.

drinker


I'm still waiting on that theist that "knows" that God exist, to reveal which other God does God worship if God is not an Atheist ... but amazingly you can never find a theist that "knows" an answer to that question ....perhaps God doesn't "know" either ...

s1owhand's photo
Fri 07/09/10 05:08 AM







If God were really standing right in front of you...


I'll ask him if he's an atheist


Very interesting question indeed. drinker


laugh

why? do you think that god would not be self-aware?

laugh

there are a lot better questions to ask than this one.



For once I agree with S1owhand.

This was not an interesting question. Rather a question seeking a redundant answer. The answer being that God is an atheist, with no questions asked.

God can not be other than an atheist.

Man needs faith to believe in God. Man can't know anything but of the existence of his own self. So God is an object of what a man believes and believes in. Much like man believes that the Earth is round (based on the hearsay of his teachers), man believes that it's cold in Antarctica (based on hearsay and on TV footage), man believes that Napoleon's armies advanced to Moscow. Man believes that God exists, or not. But it's a belief.

If he believes God exists, he is a theist. If he does not believe that God exists, he is an atheist.

God can't do that. He knows things, he does not need faith to form a useful working model of the world in his mind. He drives on knowledge, not on faith.

Even without asking God, I know He is an atheist. An atheist does not believe there is a God. God himself does not believe that he, himself, exists. He KNOWS that, therefore he does not believe.

Ergo, "God does not believe that God exists (since he knows that and needs no faith to do that) therefore He is an atheist."


laugh

one problem.

a theist is one who believes or knows that god exists.

an atheist is one who believes or knows that god does not exist.

so god is a theist owing to self-awareness.
if god exists god knows it.
if god does not exist then there is no god to be an atheist.

laugh laugh laugh

nice try though.

drinker


I'm still waiting on that theist that "knows" that God exist, to reveal which other God does God worship if God is not an Atheist ... but amazingly you can never find a theist that "knows" an answer to that question ....perhaps God doesn't "know" either ...


laugh

it would be quite a trick to find a god that does not recognize his or her own existence!!

laugh

whoa

see: "self-awareness" above...

no photo
Fri 07/09/10 05:52 AM
Edited by funches on Fri 07/09/10 05:53 AM

laugh

it would be quite a trick to find a god that does not recognize his or her own existence!!

laugh


cool so you acknowledge that there may be more than one God


whoa

see: "self-awareness" above...


being self-aware is pretty awesome....something that perhaps even a wombat is capable of ...but once again...I've asked if God is not an Atheist then which God other than himself does God worship? .....

I'm still waiting on a theist that "knows" that God exist to answer that question ....who does God worship?

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/09/10 10:53 AM


laugh

it would be quite a trick to find a god that does not recognize his or her own existence!!

laugh


cool so you acknowledge that there may be more than one God


whoa

see: "self-awareness" above...


being self-aware is pretty awesome....something that perhaps even a wombat is capable of ...but once again...I've asked if God is not an Atheist then which God other than himself does God worship? .....

I'm still waiting on a theist that "knows" that God exist to answer that question ....who does God worship?


why is it necessary for God to worship anyone or anything?

theism: : belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world

nothing there about worshipping,,,

no photo
Fri 07/09/10 12:21 PM

why is it necessary for God to worship anyone or anything?


MsHarmony ..is that the reply that God would give? ....if so, then I would reply to him,.... BEHOLD GOD, why was it necessary for a God named Jesus to worshipped you "The Father"? ...


theism: : belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world


MsHarmony....I didn't ask God if he was a theist....I asked God if he was an Atheist ....you looked up the wrong word ...I see that your dictionary skills are just as bad as your analogies


nothing there about worshipping,,,


you will also find that it's nothing about worshipping if you look up the word Atheist ....so MsHarmony perhaps you are the "Theist" that will finally answer the question ....does "the father" worship any other God? ..you can include those pesty trinity gods if you must

Milesoftheusa's photo
Fri 07/09/10 02:37 PM

Do you think you would know???


I know i would not see him on earth.. several things have to happen .

the most significant besides seeing him come in the sky would be.

Rev 11:7-13

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Master was Impaled. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

11 The Witnesses Resurrected

when u see this know things will happen very quickly

Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from Yahweh entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the Elohim of heaven.
NKJV


Blessings of Shalom...Miles

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/09/10 03:07 PM


why is it necessary for God to worship anyone or anything?


MsHarmony ..is that the reply that God would give? ....if so, then I would reply to him,.... BEHOLD GOD, why was it necessary for a God named Jesus to worshipped you "The Father"? ...


theism: : belief in the existence of a god or gods; specifically : belief in the existence of one God viewed as the creative source of the human race and the world who transcends yet is immanent in the world


MsHarmony....I didn't ask God if he was a theist....I asked God if he was an Atheist ....you looked up the wrong word ...I see that your dictionary skills are just as bad as your analogies


nothing there about worshipping,,,


you will also find that it's nothing about worshipping if you look up the word Atheist ....so MsHarmony perhaps you are the "Theist" that will finally answer the question ....does "the father" worship any other God? ..you can include those pesty trinity gods if you must



actually my reply was to the previous assumption God must be atheist and the implication that such logic was a reasonable conclusion based on WHETHER he worshipped ANOTHER God. my question was directly to the poster,,, I am not speaking to God in this post(although possibly to some who think they are)

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/09/10 03:10 PM

If God were standing right in front of people..theyd lock him up in a looney bin and say he wasn't God.



God is around me all the time. If he 'stood' in front of me in physical form, I suppose he would let me know,, but reading the bible I dont believe that is meant to happen until after I am passed from this Earth myself.

no photo
Fri 07/09/10 03:54 PM

actually my reply was to the previous assumption God must be atheist and the implication that such logic was a reasonable conclusion based on WHETHER he worshipped ANOTHER God. my question was directly to the poster,,, I am not speaking to God in this post(although possibly to some who think they are)


MsHarmony....now you're double talking....as a supposed "theist" all you had to do was answer a simple question ....does the father worship any other Gods? ......didn't you make a claim that you read the bible ...if so, the answer should be in there .... or perhaps you being a Christian only read the New Testament and not the Old Testament

no photo
Fri 07/09/10 05:18 PM
...but once again...I've asked if God is not an Atheist then which God other than himself does God worship? .....

I'm still waiting on a theist that "knows" that God exist to answer that question ....who does God worship?


Repeating the question ad nauseum does not a clever question make it, though you seem to somehow clutch to it as if ...

Yeah, yeah, yeah ... We get it, we get it ... yawn ... It's a legendary thought form in your mind only!

It is actually quite a juvenile and flawed question ...

It reminds me more of the film 'Toy Story' - where Woody is madly attempting to get Buzz to realize he is a toy and not a real astronaut on a space command mission ...

Similarly, of the time in preschool when we visited the zoo and my entire class was wildly chatting away to a chattering parrot, an en masse cacophany ...

All I could do was scratch my head at what I deemed as their unified stupidity and shout at the poor bird, "You're not really talking, you can't talk, you can't answer, you don't understand us, you just memorized all this, you ARE a bird!"

Ooooo ... Did I ever feel lofty and superior in that rather dumb arse, ranting 'genius overview' ... laugh

At least I was 3 or 4 years of age ...

... whoa ... I'm still patiently awaiting an all new, improved and brilliant question ...

... Not some leftover tripe, seemingly more founded in the trails of a psychtropically induced fog than an intellectual epiphany ... spock

Besides, you KNOW you only await the answer you seek to rip to shreds ... Not edification!

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Sat 07/10/10 07:21 AM

...but once again...I've asked if God is not an Atheist then which God other than himself does God worship? .....

I'm still waiting on a theist that "knows" that God exist to answer that question ....who does God worship?


Repeating the question ad nauseum does not a clever question make it, though you seem to somehow clutch to it as if ...

Yeah, yeah, yeah ... We get it, we get it ... yawn ... It's a legendary thought form in your mind only!

It is actually quite a juvenile and flawed question ...

It reminds me more of the film 'Toy Story' - where Woody is madly attempting to get Buzz to realize he is a toy and not a real astronaut on a space command mission ...

Similarly, of the time in preschool when we visited the zoo and my entire class was wildly chatting away to a chattering parrot, an en masse cacophany ...

All I could do was scratch my head at what I deemed as their unified stupidity and shout at the poor bird, "You're not really talking, you can't talk, you can't answer, you don't understand us, you just memorized all this, you ARE a bird!"

Ooooo ... Did I ever feel lofty and superior in that rather dumb arse, ranting 'genius overview' ... laugh

At least I was 3 or 4 years of age ...

... whoa ... I'm still patiently awaiting an all new, improved and brilliant question ...

... Not some leftover tripe, seemingly more founded in the trails of a psychtropically induced fog than an intellectual epiphany ... spock

Besides, you KNOW you only await the answer you seek to rip to shreds ... Not edification!


Dancere......sorry about your childhood trauma issues...especially the one about the talking bird...maybe they should have had you in the Garden of Eden to deal with the talking serpent

beside you did all that ranting and venting and still didn't answer the question ..."Which God other than himself does God worship?" ...

it's pure karma that theists believe in and worship an Atheist

CowboyGH's photo
Sat 07/10/10 07:34 AM


...but once again...I've asked if God is not an Atheist then which God other than himself does God worship? .....

I'm still waiting on a theist that "knows" that God exist to answer that question ....who does God worship?


Repeating the question ad nauseum does not a clever question make it, though you seem to somehow clutch to it as if ...

Yeah, yeah, yeah ... We get it, we get it ... yawn ... It's a legendary thought form in your mind only!

It is actually quite a juvenile and flawed question ...

It reminds me more of the film 'Toy Story' - where Woody is madly attempting to get Buzz to realize he is a toy and not a real astronaut on a space command mission ...

Similarly, of the time in preschool when we visited the zoo and my entire class was wildly chatting away to a chattering parrot, an en masse cacophany ...

All I could do was scratch my head at what I deemed as their unified stupidity and shout at the poor bird, "You're not really talking, you can't talk, you can't answer, you don't understand us, you just memorized all this, you ARE a bird!"

Ooooo ... Did I ever feel lofty and superior in that rather dumb arse, ranting 'genius overview' ... laugh

At least I was 3 or 4 years of age ...

... whoa ... I'm still patiently awaiting an all new, improved and brilliant question ...

... Not some leftover tripe, seemingly more founded in the trails of a psychtropically induced fog than an intellectual epiphany ... spock

Besides, you KNOW you only await the answer you seek to rip to shreds ... Not edification!


Dancere......sorry about your childhood trauma issues...especially the one about the talking bird...maybe they should have had you in the Garden of Eden to deal with the talking serpent

beside you did all that ranting and venting and still didn't answer the question ..."Which God other than himself does God worship?" ...

it's pure karma that theists believe in and worship an Atheist


God worships NO ONE. God is the ALPHA, the head hancho, the one in charge, the ruler, and much more.

Inkracer's photo
Sat 07/10/10 07:53 AM


it's pure karma that theists believe in and worship an Atheist


God worships NO ONE. God is the ALPHA, the head hancho, the one in charge, the ruler, and much more.


Well, if he worships no one, then he believes in no god higher than himself, which would make him an atheist..

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